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(DIR) Post #9vfTpFr61NSEfSYNRA by saadnpq@mstdn.io
2020-06-02T09:19:36Z
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Reading about #Scuttlebutt lead me into #Solid. I recommend reading about both to anyone who wants to drown himself in open tabs and discussions about how the future might look like. If someone has any opinions or similar technologies please share it. I am specifically interested in the flaws of such architectures and how things can go wrong in the future (assuming global adoption).
(DIR) Post #9vffOkT7IDTvFCSrcu by ketmorco@mastodon.technology
2020-06-02T11:29:16Z
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@saadnpq I haven't checked out solid, but the thing that made me sad about SSB was that I couldn't choose what gossip to repeat. Or not, as the case may be.At least with masto you can ask for something to be deleted.
(DIR) Post #9vfihyel4DAibxlpJ2 by saadnpq@mstdn.io
2020-06-02T12:06:22Z
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@ketmorco yeah every time I try to think of scuttlebutt as a thing other than a very cool experamint I fail.
(DIR) Post #9vfqeuxb9TeDuddPk0 by tychi@mastodon.social
2020-06-02T13:35:25Z
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@saadnpq @ketmorco the most practical use case to me would be attending a protest. Imagine a government knocks out the cell towers, everyone's phones still have local area capabilities and by following people in your immediate vicinity, you get access to their extended network, follow those and further out and so on. Within a few minutes, you've got a low tech mesh network with no middlemen.Not a social media game changer, but a human one.
(DIR) Post #9vfsD5cs6TB8n8nYo4 by saadnpq@mstdn.io
2020-06-02T13:52:50Z
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@tychi @ketmorco very smart point. we actually had a similar situation in Egypt back in 2011
(DIR) Post #9vfsySQh8bYJ7sgo5I by tychi@mastodon.social
2020-06-02T14:01:24Z
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@saadnpq @ketmorco I think that event in Egypt was the inspiration for this comic book, https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/20736579-hacktivist. That was the first time I learned about decentralization, that we needed it, and that eventually it would be the future.Also I just learned there's a book 2, so I gotta pick that up now.
(DIR) Post #9vgvvlAGACjEG0S87E by saadnpq@mstdn.io
2020-06-03T02:09:14Z
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@tychi @ketmorco That must be a good read. Thank you
(DIR) Post #9vh4TxSFm55ZqzgewK by ketmorco@mastodon.technology
2020-06-03T03:06:53Z
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@tychi @saadnpq I definitely like the mesh aspect of SSB. But like any network, there's more power in more people using it.Which is the tricky thing about networks, and the massive value proposition and terror of the book of faces and the birdsite.*they* control your network. They control what you see/don't see, and who you contact/don't contact. You get some control over that, but the whole reason I started on the birdsite was to encounter people different than myself. Now it's all the same.
(DIR) Post #9vh4Txgmu2iOa4UGau by saadnpq@mstdn.io
2020-06-03T03:45:02Z
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@ketmorco @tychi that's what I like about Solid, you store your data wherever you like and you give apps permissions to your data store (pod), so apps compete on the quality of viewing and interacting with your data. what we have now is the app with the largest data wins.
(DIR) Post #9vh4ZT4fdnR3MtHefA by ketmorco@mastodon.technology
2020-06-03T03:04:41Z
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@tychi @saadnpq I also highly recommend Cory Doctorow's Little Brother and the follow-up Homeland.
(DIR) Post #9vh4ZTXNv2P6nwiaQ4 by saadnpq@mstdn.io
2020-06-03T03:46:02Z
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@ketmorco @tychi Thank you, will check them out.
(DIR) Post #9vh8TE0L9nAmi1XLPM by cy@verge.info.tm
2020-06-03T04:24:30.129560Z
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@saadnpq Try reading the philosophical essays at https://secushare.org they address pretty much every concern of social networking (except for the problem with owned forums).I suppose I could go over some strengths and flaws of a few such architectures if you want…
(DIR) Post #9vh8TFVDaTSzM4zWAy by saadnpq@mstdn.io
2020-06-03T04:29:43Z
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@cy Please!
(DIR) Post #9vh9YgBbuB3jW0yOa8 by cy@verge.info.tm
2020-06-03T04:35:28.730359Z
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@saadnpq Fediverse Pros: open federation, open source, adaptive network traversal based on likes/follows, high latency compatible, human readable protocols, similar to Twitter Cons: federated trust anchors, disorganized code, hard to install, dependency on DNS and on SSL authorities, requires a web browser, similar to Twitter
(DIR) Post #9vhA6Z4qqJ1vJSyAEq by alcinnz@floss.social
2020-06-03T04:46:54Z
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@cy @saadnpq (Though I'm *mostly* interacting with it via "Oliphant", a desktop client targetting elementary OS)
(DIR) Post #9vhDWLhpTlpDEaBgtU by cy@verge.info.tm
2020-06-03T05:05:47.812246Z
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@saadnpq These are all just off the top of my head, so I’m probably missing a lot. Like how Retroshare also broadcasts your activity with low latency to friends. Plus I don’t want to toot too big. If there’s anything in there you don’t already know about, please do ask.
(DIR) Post #9vhDWLxmWSaM23eQl6 by saadnpq@mstdn.io
2020-06-03T05:26:20Z
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@cy Thank you so so much! I didn't know about most of those technologies, probably I will spend the next couple of hours studying them. I just want to ask what's the one with the best chance of success in your opinion.
(DIR) Post #9vhFPRHcXocqPflGz2 by cy@verge.info.tm
2020-06-03T05:36:56.952263Z
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@saadnpq Don’t ask the lonely depressed social reject about what’s got the best chance of success! What’m I supposed to say? Uh, uh, GNUnet? That project has been going for decades though! IPFS, if they ever get smart about modularity and privacy? I gave Retroshare a lot of attention lately, but it just kept having problems, so now I don’t know what to do.GNUnet is definitely the best one to study, even if Grothoff never works on stuff anyone cares about. Freaky good ideas in that software suite.
(DIR) Post #9vhFPRV5jjOv5S41yq by saadnpq@mstdn.io
2020-06-03T05:47:29Z
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@cy yeah GNUnet is the one that took my attention at first glance, maybe what we need is to stop fixing symptoms and redesign most of it from scratch. Thanks again for your time.
(DIR) Post #9yJyGR8H1g1RTGDoSu by xameer@ioc.exchange
2020-08-20T17:53:16Z
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@saadnpq rooms running on xmpp via torAt least worth running a quick comparative analyses xmpp:faq@conference.xmpp-hosting.de?joinPing me on xameer@xmpp.is for anything