Post 9vcs23dCb22bwgoRhQ by jankoekepan@mastodon.xyz
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(DIR) Post #9vcS3TYd5hhBpsgo5I by fribbledom@mastodon.social
2020-05-31T22:14:06Z
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I do get it, AntiFa not being anything official, the connotations vary widely here... which is exactly why it is rather pointless to declare it a terrorist organization: there's no organization, there isn't even an official definition of the word.I'm rather worried it's just another excuse to label people and a waiver to incarcerate protestors.All it achieves is adding even more fuel to the fire.
(DIR) Post #9vcS3Tow74jueSJpVA by orekix@letsalllovela.in
2020-05-31T22:15:39.224303Z
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@fribbledom > it's just another excuse to label people and a waiver to incarcerate protestorspretty much
(DIR) Post #9vcUXxZWGLUHWGllEO by TallTim@bitcoinhackers.org
2020-05-31T22:38:37Z
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@fribbledom I have zero sympathy for Antifa. Especially after they assaulted Andy Ngo, an innocent bystander whose crime was quietly videoing their march. Not to mention their tendencies to burn and smash stuff, using bikelocks as offensive weapons, and even encouraging people to be armed for violent intent. I'm glad they're going to be taken to task, because anarchy for the sake of chaos isn't helpful in the least. They're no better than the fascists they pretend to fight.
(DIR) Post #9vcWWxA0VUJdrVU4Dg by snowyfox@pl.kotobank.ch
2020-05-31T22:17:07.151512Z
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@fribbledom I'm fairly sure the heads of US government and US police are purposely adding fuel to the fire right now.Literally none of it makes sense if you assume they want to take care of people and communities
(DIR) Post #9vcs21WkQ3gpQ5mGMS by jankoekepan@mastodon.xyz
2020-05-31T22:21:47Z
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@fribbledom Honestly, so far response has been pretty moderate.And a lot of the vandalism just seems pointless. I saw that apparently in Seattle one of the businesses that got it was Old Navy.Yeah, Old Navy is obviously the taproot of the fascist weed in the USA. I wonder what the mental giants who dreamed that stunt up were thinking. Or smoking.
(DIR) Post #9vcs21uqyQyKcr3Vw0 by cy@verge.info.tm
2020-05-31T23:05:28.175996Z
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@jankoekepan @fribbledom I do worry that they might be thinking “How can we vandalize and burn stuff in a way tat lays the blame on protestors, to justify sending in the army to beat them down?” But otherwise yeah, it’s monumentally stupid.
(DIR) Post #9vcs22X8g5b4Xay5bs by jankoekepan@mastodon.xyz
2020-05-31T23:09:22Z
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@cy @fribbledom Sure, the old COINTELPRO stuff is a plausible concern, but when Target and Old Navy are in the firing line, I have to seriously question the good faith of the protests.I mean, sure, all riled about police brutality. I got the memo. But how is wrecking a T-Mobile or a Nordstrom's going to move the needle? Is it some kind of four dimensional chess move intended to get police to commit more brutality, thereby justifying all-out socialist revolution? ... or ...?
(DIR) Post #9vcs23CGDCUSb8Cvho by fribbledom@mastodon.social
2020-05-31T23:14:46Z
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@jankoekepan I really don't think the people looting and destroying stores care about the protests. They're just trying to exploit the situation for some short-sighted personal gain.@cy
(DIR) Post #9vcs23dCb22bwgoRhQ by jankoekepan@mastodon.xyz
2020-05-31T23:46:13Z
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@fribbledom @cy I suspect that one of the major concerns of the police will be avoiding another rooftop koreans kind of situation, because it's an admission that they can't keep up, which opens a whole fresh can of worms around internecine violence, vigilanteeism and so on.And there are a hell of a lot of people who will take the side of communities defending their livelihoods against violent mobs, no matter how (purportedly) nobly motivated.
(DIR) Post #9vcvGyZLzzh6S5olfM by fribbledom@mastodon.social
2020-05-31T22:41:09Z
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@TallTim We have very much different definitions of being against fascism. Do you really think these people even consider themselves to be "anti-fascists"?
(DIR) Post #9vcvH1dMbXgTxOiVpg by petit@social.ufeff.club
2020-06-01T03:43:02.275828Z
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@fribbledom @TallTim Yes, antifa openly supports violence and censorship. I don't understand how people cannot know this. They're extremely clear.
(DIR) Post #9vd7uupsUwYfuFMGLg by CallMeMJ@mstdn.social
2020-06-01T00:11:34Z
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@fribbledom Trump doesn’t do anything that has a point except to expand hate
(DIR) Post #9ve5OftcVD25YSZD0a by Primo@takeoverthe.world
2020-06-01T00:14:08Z
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@fribbledom The big weakness of nonorganized collectives is the difficulty to assert an identity or a code among thenselves, while being subject to the assignment of identity from the outside for all times.I'd say for many people, if not the majority, the so calles black block and Antifa are the exact same.If someone says they're Antifa and does shit, how do you convince peole they're not.Lacking exclusivity is a problem.Other Antifa could publicly punish the wrongdoer. Wherever that leads.
(DIR) Post #9ve5Og89dAeuHXMofA by cy@verge.info.tm
2020-06-01T02:58:11.587700Z
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@Primo @fribbledom I wouldn’t call it a problem, persay. There’s no single point of failure to attack to take it down, and if someone says they’re Antifa it could act as cover for those who really are. Organizations may fall, to corruption or oppression, but as a wise man once said, “Ideas are bulletproof.”Plus you can point and laugh at wannabe Antifa all you like, so it’s not like you need a great dictator to tell you to do so. Definitely hard to draw a line between members and non-members though.
(DIR) Post #9ve5Ok6spq1EcknrEm by Primo@takeoverthe.world
2020-06-01T17:11:03Z
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@cy ideas being bulletproof unfortunately does not mean they'll succeed. Not dieing diesn't mean winning if the enemy doesn't either.AFAIK outside leftistncircles Antifa is known as bad people. I personally do know better, but I am a left leaning person and nit the majority.On a personal level I have little faith of such systems and the lack of accountability that I perceive.
(DIR) Post #9xdGQYcWHPNtmY26hk by thegibson@hackers.town
2020-06-01T17:09:32Z
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@fribbledom It is VERY pointed... This is a disappear the dissenters sort of rule.
(DIR) Post #9xdGQYuxAs86hiepRA by lordbowlich@hackers.town
2020-06-01T17:12:32Z
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@thegibson @fribbledom Yup. Vague "enemies of the state" type language so instead of just shooting journalists you can bind them off to gitmo for being "antifa" propagandists.Then you can take anyone else who is sufficiently un-American or standing in the way of "making America great" and do the same -- it's just an extension of our inability to differentiate civilians from enemy combatants in the long-running war-on-terror just coming home.