Post 9ugMuKlhloVjLNiFu4 by sathariel@ghostgirl.princesa.company
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(DIR) Post #9ug1Rk9ME29mczIloe by sathariel@ghostgirl.princesa.company
2020-05-03T17:44:13.402769Z
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Remove Platonism
(DIR) Post #9ug1Ubia20VBLU8tn6 by cantinto@outerheaven.club
2020-05-03T17:44:46.274659Z
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@sathariel why tho
(DIR) Post #9ug1iCe82opxdnXkOG by brother@kawen.space
2020-05-03T17:47:13.732049Z
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@sathariel Eh, I try to cut him some slack, he didn't exactly have a lot to go on
(DIR) Post #9ug289GhE58Ih3xFke by sathariel@ghostgirl.princesa.company
2020-05-03T17:51:54.398006Z
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@cantinto the belief on abstract immutable perfect ideas is a cancerous mindset
(DIR) Post #9ug2ELFvZMgTbsY3rk by cantinto@outerheaven.club
2020-05-03T17:53:01.340586Z
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@sathariel perfect being a relative phrase here though
(DIR) Post #9ug2MQ1Njfjahqb1FY by sathariel@ghostgirl.princesa.company
2020-05-03T17:54:29.217326Z
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@cantinto how?
(DIR) Post #9ugBA1EmxErzxA1s0m by cantinto@outerheaven.club
2020-05-03T19:33:05.982693Z
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@sathariel well, afaik, the platonic ideal of something describes how something could be perfectly itself. for example you could say there's a platonic ideal of what a car is, but that doesn't mean that is the 'best' car, more that it is the most car-like car. it goes on like that- the most grape-like grapes, the most evil-like evil, etc. platonic ideals are not a concept of perfection in the sense of what would be best, but in the sense of the thing most perfectly having the characteristics the word used to name it would describe.
(DIR) Post #9ugKn9sDgAEfcPD7Pk by tuesday@ghostgirl.princesa.company
2020-05-03T21:18:30.225585Z
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@sathariel @cantinto what is a number, I'm curious, isn't a perfect idea?
(DIR) Post #9ugKnA3uyfaqCggSeG by cantinto@outerheaven.club
2020-05-03T21:21:00.877819Z
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@tuesday @sathariel that's pre-platonic though, even the pythagoreans knew about those
(DIR) Post #9ugMZI2EjnKImkPWzY by tuesday@ghostgirl.princesa.company
2020-05-03T21:34:05.873439Z
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@sathariel what about archetypes?, you like the Jung writings
(DIR) Post #9ugMZIDE4w7JKpYJ7Y by tuesday@ghostgirl.princesa.company
2020-05-03T21:38:08.913167Z
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@sathariel well, archetypes are not perfect. If we remove perfect from abstract ideas, everything change.
(DIR) Post #9ugMiXeK3NG3ondXPM by sathariel@ghostgirl.princesa.company
2020-05-03T21:42:35.196143Z
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@cantinto okay, i understand that part. Even though meanings change, there's no such thing as communication without noise neither such thing as a perfect (and i mean in the definition of perfection that you gave) immutable ideas.
(DIR) Post #9ugMo8FVP6aWmJh7Oy by sathariel@ghostgirl.princesa.company
2020-05-03T21:43:36.363471Z
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@tuesday i was about to answer that, they aren't perfect and neither totally fixed.
(DIR) Post #9ugMrhb6R6B7HIUzFQ by tuesday@ghostgirl.princesa.company
2020-05-03T21:43:34.634090Z
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@sathariel what it's interesting is that only a quality makes a division in reality, the quality of perfection can make a mindset affirm that the spirit (ideas )and the matter are opposed. If we are both imperfect, then we can start to notice that probably the ideas create reality, but also reality create ideas (reality is the practical sense)
(DIR) Post #9ugMuKlhloVjLNiFu4 by sathariel@ghostgirl.princesa.company
2020-05-03T21:44:43.607573Z
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@tuesday exactly!
(DIR) Post #9ugNbxavI89MDGTL96 by cantinto@outerheaven.club
2020-05-03T21:52:36.664251Z
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@sathariel of course there's noise in every signal, but calling it noise presupposes that the noise shouldn't be there, and that at the source there is a clear signal (if the signal is what you're trying to recieve anyway, which I know isn't always the case.)In any case, I don't see what the trouble is with that.
(DIR) Post #9ugOo57PF9Oyye0fDs by sathariel@ghostgirl.princesa.company
2020-05-03T22:06:00.319862Z
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@cantinto i agree that it shouldn't be called noise, or everything is noise. The problem is to think that there's something like a clear signal and that it has certain reality, when there are only approximations.
(DIR) Post #9ugP0QniSEnNhOgksa by tuesday@ghostgirl.princesa.company
2020-05-03T22:04:50.274846Z
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@sathariel hey, do you think this is related with the holy spirit stuff, analogue to shadows in a cave? Since Platonism is not friend of shadows, we try to hide the shadows. I personally believe when Jesus said that only the father can be know throught the son, is a Platonist idea which is contradictory because actually Jesus wanted people to be in touch with Holy Spirit.
(DIR) Post #9ugPRLQ0ZeWQpBQt8q by sathariel@ghostgirl.princesa.company
2020-05-03T22:13:05.555255Z
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@tuesday well, these scriptures were heavily influenced by platonism and gnosticism, and also many of their interpretations.