Post 9ueXBCm5M43EhRed5U by jamey@toot.cat
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(DIR) Post #9ubCr2C8OqplXP3zEG by clacke@libranet.de
2020-05-01T09:58:25Z
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@fluffy @jamey Would either or both of you be interested in a voice call about RFC5005 that I'd record and upload to HPR? This weekend, to strike while the iron is hot?If you're interested I'll check my DMs and I'm also this username at lysator.liu.se for XMPP and Delta Chat.I'm guessing you're both west of the Atlantic, so I guess around noon your time, around midnight HKT would work.
(DIR) Post #9ubMaj8kTYmZLiLHto by jamey@toot.cat
2020-05-01T11:47:27Z
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@clacke @fluffy I think a call sounds fun! I'd guess I've seen you talk about HPR before but I don't remember; what is it?And yeah, I'm in Pacific time (and I think Fluffy is too), so I guess you're +15 hours from me. I think that means it's going to be evening for one of us and morning for the other; which side of that do you prefer? I'd probably rather do, say, 8pm here/11am there or something like that.Which tech do you like for voice calls?
(DIR) Post #9ubWVMAnRDvuDDNVAW by clacke@libranet.de
2020-05-01T13:38:40Z
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@jamey @fluffy Oh, Pacific even. Then you're more reasonably called east of me! In that case I guess it's better to take it the other way around and do it in my morning.I'd use HPR's Mumble instance unless you have some strong preference for an alternative.
(DIR) Post #9ubYgArg1SPWEXilO4 by clacke@libranet.de
2020-05-01T14:02:40Z
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@jamey HPR is a community podcast with one episode every Monday to Friday. Record a FLAC file, write show notes, then go to the calendar, pick an unoccupied date, upload your things and boom, now you're a podcast host. When your date slot comes, your show will be featured on the feed.I've uploaded 26 shows over the last 5 years, and I'm currently pushing myself to contribute more, as I have a backlog of ideas that goes back two years and nobody else is picking them up. 🙂My shows: http://hackerpublicradio.org/correspondents.php?hostid=311
(DIR) Post #9ubpsXF2LmsWKV7xiq by fluffy@queer.party
2020-05-01T17:15:35Z
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@clacke @jamey Which iron is hot, exactly? The RFC is 13 years old and our last discussion was like a year ago. ;)Anyway, I'd be interested. I always like making a case for old-working tech that keeps getting ignored for the new shiny. :)
(DIR) Post #9ubqmwmyYKslmQtwcy by clacke@libranet.de
2020-05-01T17:25:45Z
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@fluffy @jamey 😀 The iron that we're currently talking about recording this. If we say we do it next week, it might in the end happen next year.How's 7.5h from now? That's 01:00 UTC.MumbleHost: ch1.teamspeak.cc Port: 64747 Room: Hacker Public Radio
(DIR) Post #9ubrxN9vSp7UPqAflg by fluffy@queer.party
2020-05-01T17:38:50Z
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@clacke @jamey I could make that, sure. I've never used Mumble before... where can I find a reasonable client for it?
(DIR) Post #9ubs7iSt6W9tOGyMoi by fluffy@queer.party
2020-05-01T17:39:30Z
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@clacke @jamey I could make that, sure. I've never used Mumble before but the client at mumble.com looks reasonable.
(DIR) Post #9ubsYsXNlMMCRs1jcW by clacke@libranet.de
2020-05-01T17:45:48Z
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@fluffy @jamey Yeah, it's pretty straightforward, no frills. When it wants a username to connect, you just make one up, IRC style.
(DIR) Post #9ubsqy9lbs8j5XbiaG by clacke@libranet.de
2020-05-01T17:49:01Z
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@jamey I guess that's 6 pm for you? Does that work?@fluffy
(DIR) Post #9ubt3JZlnaUOziemp6 by fluffy@queer.party
2020-05-01T17:49:21Z
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@clacke @jamey It is 6 PM for us, yes
(DIR) Post #9ubucVaVENcSL1LSaG by jamey@toot.cat
2020-05-01T18:08:48Z
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@fluffy @clacke That works for me!
(DIR) Post #9ubxH1mZ9RvjgBR7VA by clacke@libranet.de
2020-05-01T18:37:50Z
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@fluffy @jamey Live show notes here: https://cryptpad.fr/pad/#/2/pad/edit/Rxbbac1HeHIbT5rbz8rrp+rr/Now I'll take a nap. See you on the other side!
(DIR) Post #9ubzfbt8lGnYWDMRhA by jamey@toot.cat
2020-05-01T19:05:21Z
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@clacke Huh, I just realized I've actually been interviewed in a recording that was published on HPR before: http://hackerpublicradio.org/eps.php?id=0825
(DIR) Post #9ucMiWd34RKw1MC2u8 by jamey@toot.cat
2020-05-01T23:23:05Z
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@clacke @fluffy Ugh, my stomach is not feeling well and I don't think I'll be able to concentrate on the conversation. Would you rather reschedule or have the conversation with just the two of you? I don't mind either way.I added some links and comments to the show notes which I hope will be useful if you go ahead without me.
(DIR) Post #9ucMnygcBH1UUISfOC by fluffy@queer.party
2020-05-01T23:24:16Z
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@jamey @clacke Oh dang, I was going to say something about how I'm not feeling all that great either (suddenly got a pretty bad headache a couple hours ago) and I was hoping you'd take the lead on the conversation :)Sounds like we should reschedule.
(DIR) Post #9ucMqoLR5SerHZuEoS by jamey@toot.cat
2020-05-01T23:25:02Z
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@fluffy @clacke Aw, too bad, I hope we both feel better soon 😅
(DIR) Post #9ucMtE7oCwsvokgTOi by fluffy@queer.party
2020-05-01T23:25:20Z
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@jamey @clacke I mean I already took a nap which helped some but it only did so much
(DIR) Post #9ucNg8GqlJg7qoEVRA by fluffy@queer.party
2020-05-01T23:34:27Z
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@jamey @clacke but yeah feel better soon!
(DIR) Post #9ucNh2adMwmIWNv636 by clacke@libranet.de
2020-05-01T23:34:34Z
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@fluffy @jamey Oh! Yeah, let's reschedule and both of you take care. Let's make sure not to lose this though, I'm really excited to talk to you after following up on the links you posted. 😀Do you think you're up for it same time tomorrow, or do you need a week?
(DIR) Post #9ucNlScuVVPAQn5mdc by jamey@toot.cat
2020-05-01T23:35:24Z
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@clacke @fluffy How about we check in again tomorrow and find out?
(DIR) Post #9ucO7rHfVojVH8pvs0 by clacke@libranet.de
2020-05-01T23:38:27Z
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@jamey @fluffy Sure!
(DIR) Post #9ueRieIvQCppueZxUe by clacke@libranet.de
2020-05-02T23:29:04Z
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@jamey @fluffy How is everyone feeling today?
(DIR) Post #9ueRob3QPygpZRAI40 by jamey@toot.cat
2020-05-02T23:30:08Z
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@clacke I'm doing mostly better! How about you, @fluffy? Does 0100 UTC look good today?
(DIR) Post #9ueTc9LzmWuW5n2mBs by fluffy@queer.party
2020-05-02T23:50:19Z
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@jamey @clacke yeah I think I’m good with that
(DIR) Post #9ueUfypsveg6aHPlrc by jamey@toot.cat
2020-05-03T00:02:05Z
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@fluffy @clacke ah, scheduling is hard and I won't be quite ready in an hour. how late would be okay with the two of you?
(DIR) Post #9ueWMphUrxkUeqUMr2 by fluffy@queer.party
2020-05-03T00:21:02Z
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@jamey @clacke I’m fine with as late as 9 PM our time/0400 UTC
(DIR) Post #9ueXBCm5M43EhRed5U by jamey@toot.cat
2020-05-03T00:30:03Z
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@fluffy @clacke How about 8PM PDT / 11AM HKT / date -d @1588474800?
(DIR) Post #9ueXIHT8IejlHnABzk by clacke@libranet.de
2020-05-03T00:31:30Z
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@fluffy @jamey Awesome, see you there!
(DIR) Post #9ueZKvdE98KgKuH7rM by fluffy@queer.party
2020-05-03T00:53:46Z
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@clacke @jamey Same!
(DIR) Post #9ueaJScyb56C2w1Q12 by clacke@libranet.de
2020-05-03T01:05:20Z
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@fluffy @jamey Double-check that you know whether you are noise-gated or push-to-talk, and if the latter, what your configured push-to-talk key is. Common gotcha. 😀
(DIR) Post #9ueaNWmF6yFG4eINRg by fluffy@queer.party
2020-05-03T01:05:56Z
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@clacke @jamey Yeah I made sure to go through all the calibration stuff and I also have a pretty good audio setup here, we should be good :)
(DIR) Post #9ueaYkEdPouezxvMgq by clacke@libranet.de
2020-05-03T01:07:17Z
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@jamey @fluffy Then I'll get some food in me first. 😀
(DIR) Post #9ueaZ5dVqWI5NCj1sm by fluffy@queer.party
2020-05-03T01:08:07Z
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@clacke @jamey Same. Talk to you in two hours!
(DIR) Post #9uedHIHoNIf3FxmSSu by jamey@toot.cat
2020-05-03T01:38:30Z
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@fluffy @clacke My audio setup is pretty mediocre so e.g. if my CPU fan spins up my microphone catches it. I've tried to tune my Mumble settings appropriately but I'm hoping we can take a moment for audio testing at the beginning.
(DIR) Post #9ueki93DWFZ06xhl8y by fluffy@queer.party
2020-05-03T03:01:38Z
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@jamey are you on your way? @clacke and I are sitting idle in the channel :)
(DIR) Post #9ueqxzps9GCBtBP9P6 by clacke@libranet.de
2020-05-03T04:11:59Z
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@fluffy @jamey Whew, that took an hour! Who knew there was so much to say about four pages (counting only the meat at sections 2, 3, 4) of RFC!I'll make sure to get this up at the latest next weekend.
(DIR) Post #9uer42OBZFrpXuKpoO by jamey@toot.cat
2020-05-03T04:12:40Z
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@clacke @fluffy I, for one, guessed we'd have that much to say 😁 Thanks again for suggesting this chat and recording it!
(DIR) Post #9uetWI0VIG0U07rDV2 by fluffy@queer.party
2020-05-03T04:38:35Z
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@clacke @jamey RFC5005 has a lot to talk about specifically because it DOESN'T say a lot :)
(DIR) Post #9ueuIyRont6BWnqe4u by jamey@toot.cat
2020-05-03T04:49:18Z
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@fluffy @clacke Also, Comic Rocket finished re-crawling your comics, Fluffy, and (1) now we know that you have 947 pages apparently, (2) hooray I can close this open "broken comic" ticket in Comic Rocket's internal ticketing system now 🎉
(DIR) Post #9ufAjIweoe4btZqlcW by clacke@libranet.de
2020-05-03T07:53:21Z
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@fluffy @jamey Fair point. 😀
(DIR) Post #9ufAsL5YDRvh9KJmEK by clacke@libranet.de
2020-05-03T07:55:06Z
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@jamey I would like to know more about how Comic Rocket handles the scraping of all the various comics, how authors get their comic in there, etc. Would you like to record something about that?@fluffy too if you want to share your experience from the other side of the fence.
(DIR) Post #9ufB4NcecXfYU1XkOm by clacke@libranet.de
2020-05-03T07:57:12Z
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Hah, now CryptPad works on IceCat. It was merely a "wow that's a lot of JS to download" white screen.
(DIR) Post #9ufK3ZNYKADaF8AU2y by fluffy@queer.party
2020-05-03T09:37:56Z
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@clacke @jamey sure, I’d also love to speak about the misconceptions a lot of cartoonists have about both rss and purpose-built things like comic rocket
(DIR) Post #9ufNiilEeA2B4mYkfg by clacke@libranet.de
2020-05-03T10:18:55Z
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@fluffy Sounds interesting! @jamey
(DIR) Post #9ufhgqqPcU06ePMoFs by clacke@libranet.de
2020-05-03T13:53:24Z
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@fluffy @jamey You two are very good at holding up a remote conversation. Editing mostly means removing cross-talk from me, haha.
(DIR) Post #9ufi3S5PprS4WeA4eG by clacke@libranet.de
2020-05-03T14:02:24Z
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The exact text in the spec regarding the unreliability of "section 3" feeds, "paged feeds", is "Therefore, clients SHOULD NOT present paged feeds as coherent or complete, or make assumptions to that effect.". In section 4 it also digs at paged feeds, saying "Unlike paged feeds, archived feeds enable clients to do this without losing entries.". Clearly section 3 is the designated black sheep in this spec. 😀... and at the same time I assume that most people would start by implementing section 3 feeds, because they're the easiest. 😁
(DIR) Post #9ufiDmGXfCd20UHzqS by clacke@libranet.de
2020-05-03T14:06:24Z
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It's funny how I think of this RFC as "the one about paged feeds", yet after talking about it and re-reading it (the title is "feed paging and archiving"), it clearly is about archived feeds. I guess that's why that's the best specified part too.Section 2: This is what people are accidentally doing already, let's mark clearly the semantics of that with this one tag.Section 3: This is what people will do as a naive attempt to carry low-effort HTML paging over to Atom, so let's at least formalize the vocabulary.Section 4: Ok, here's what you should actually do (except a few special cases where section 2 applies).
(DIR) Post #9ufjruVMYAqb65vF32 by saper@mastodon.social
2020-05-03T14:26:42Z
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@clacke are you working on an update to it?
(DIR) Post #9ufkwbHVY9i2sYF42C by clacke@libranet.de
2020-05-03T14:38:10Z
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I'm going to split this into two episodes. It's actually a pretty natural split. At 33 minutes in, we're pretty much done talking about the spec and why. And then I ask "headlines or content" and we talk about web comics for 20 more minutes. 😁
(DIR) Post #9ufkzlkh4nW0DpP8jo by clacke@libranet.de
2020-05-03T14:38:40Z
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@saper I am editing an interview about it.
(DIR) Post #9ugZIaremBN9fGpa9w by jamey@toot.cat
2020-05-04T00:03:20Z
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@clacke I can't have an extended conversation about Comic Rocket without getting depressed, so I'll pass, but I think @fluffy's proposed conversation would be super interesting!
(DIR) Post #9ugZXb0gW7BSSaCvLc by clacke@libranet.de
2020-05-04T00:06:07Z
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@jamey So you'd like to join if it's about RSS misconceptions and syndication/integration in general, as long as it's not specifically about Comic Rocket? @fluffy
(DIR) Post #9uga6GMzFUvCa4AZxw by jamey@toot.cat
2020-05-04T00:11:35Z
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@clacke @fluffy I don't actually have any information about people's misconceptions about RSS. I surveyed several dozen webcomic creators a while back and all I learned was that a few of them love it, and nearly everyone else has never heard of it. So I'm more interested in hearing someone else talk about that subject. 😄
(DIR) Post #9ugbb23Mcwxl6tE7xQ by clacke@libranet.de
2020-05-04T00:29:09Z
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huh, why is this flac in stereo
(DIR) Post #9ugcLpd8dKIoBvH9yi by fluffy@queer.party
2020-05-04T00:37:25Z
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@jamey @clacke Yeah one thing I've heard from a lot of comic creators is they're under the impression that RSS allows other people to "steal" their content, or that it requires that the comics appear on a site other than their own. Which gets into the part last night about how the feed gives the creator control over how the comic appears.
(DIR) Post #9ugcS6JlVCwVgUCgHw by clacke@libranet.de
2020-05-04T00:38:06Z
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accidental panning -- with all channels centered, output flac is mono
(DIR) Post #9ugcZ3skxM1c9otDAO by fluffy@queer.party
2020-05-04T00:38:30Z
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@jamey @clacke or they are worried that people won't have to check their website to see the comic "in context" or they just plain don't see the point to providing an update notification mechanism to folks, even while they're on hiatus and expecting readers to Just Know when they're posting again.
(DIR) Post #9ugcfgatwGx3xShFtg by fluffy@queer.party
2020-05-04T00:39:39Z
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@jamey @clacke This ties into the common belief that a webcomic "must maintain a schedule" in order to remain viable.Meanwhile, I only follow comics with RSS feeds, and they stop updating for a few years, and then they start up again and hey, new comics! which I know about right away! and can read at my own pace!
(DIR) Post #9ugeCq63jHxQwLdvwu by jamey@toot.cat
2020-05-04T00:58:22Z
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@clacke See? Like I said, have this conversation with @fluffy, it'll be fascinating. 😁