Post 9uU4dO2zzkswimL96G by zig@functional.cafe
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(DIR) Post #9uU4dO2zzkswimL96G by zig@functional.cafe
2020-03-09T13:25:55Z
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I need again to speak about #guile #guix, #gnu and #fsf.The so called #GnuSocialContract is misleading.Go read the document: https://wiki.gnu.tools/gnu:social-contractFirst thing, 80% of the document (dubbed "contract" for some reason) is old stuff.Re 4 freedoms: those do not reflect the world socioeconomic needs. In particular, giving the freedom to ANYONE to run the program, for ANY PURPOSE: is socially counter-productive. Economically speaking, it would help the world strive if / when more #diversity happens, more exchange and curation of ideas (that was dubbed noise by a gnu maintainer), instead of giving more power to the powerful. **The gnu license, give more power to the powerful.**Re second paragraph about a consistent system: that is full garbage. I guess, it is in the document, to rule out "inconsistent". Who decide what is consistent? #rms?! It is more food for establishment trolls.Re 3rd paragraph: collaborate with the broader free software community: there is two idea "collaborate" instead of "cooperate". I leave the exercise to the reader to read what historically "collaboration" means at least in #Europe. Second idea: "free software", that continues to hijack the definition of "free" and "freedom" to what gnu/fsf/lawyers decide is free (but not gratis #meme).The last paragraph, is somewhat something like the pseudo-kind community guidelines. Here is it in full:> The GNU Project welcomes contributions from all and everyone>> The GNU Project **commits to providing a harassment-free** experience for all contributors. It wants to give everyone the opportunity of contributing to **its efforts** on any of the many tasks that require work. It welcomes all contributors, regardless of their gender, ethnicity, sexual orientation, level of experience, or any other personal characteristics.GNU wants to trick you into thinking that it is "kind", giving the definition of kindness.
(DIR) Post #9uU4dOEhIGF7J3oUKm by a_breakin_glass@cybre.space
2020-03-09T13:27:34Z
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@zig more exchange and curation? what?
(DIR) Post #9uU4dOTEQDrw28c5zM by zig@functional.cafe
2020-03-09T13:28:57Z
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@a_breakin_glass Yes curation, like debating what is good or not.
(DIR) Post #9uU4dObjuafsSWatFY by a_breakin_glass@cybre.space
2020-03-09T13:30:23Z
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@zig I'm not sure how that relates to allowing anyone to run it for any purpose
(DIR) Post #9uU4dOtSqgqvLUt2sS by zig@functional.cafe
2020-03-09T13:35:17Z
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@a_breakin_glass it is unrelated to "anyone to run it for any purpose". Exchange and curation is directed against the people that say that my work was noise directly or via passive behavior. Which basically mute all other voices, because gnu is used to top-down decision making.I think we should collectively work to sort the good and the evil. In #gnu what I experienced, is that other members of the community wait for "top-level" decision AND meanwhile they claim "freedom of exchange".
(DIR) Post #9uU4dP5s6YmFxygxDU by zipheir@functional.cafe
2020-03-09T16:25:50Z
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@zig Indeed, GNU's mix of freedom-respecting values and rigid top-down organization is pretty bizarre. It's like something out of Rousseau: “We will force them to be Free!”
(DIR) Post #9uU4dPK3Fq7UfxKHJo by zipheir@functional.cafe
2020-03-09T16:31:12Z
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@zig Er, “GNU's mix of freedom-respecting values and rigid top-down organization is pretty bizarre.”More like ‘cathedral’, amirite?
(DIR) Post #9uU4tkTeMwhkv4bkQ4 by zipheir@functional.cafe
2020-03-09T16:16:43Z
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@zig "giving the freedom to ANYONE to run the program, for ANY PURPOSE: is socially counter-productive"It seems that you're proposing more restrictive software licensing.Do you have in mind something like the "no millitary use" licenses that people discuss from time to time, but expanded to include other groups that you would prefer not to use your software?
(DIR) Post #9uU4tkdvkivbQxPxRY by zig@functional.cafe
2020-03-09T16:46:19Z
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@zipheir more restrictive in sense that is similar to how GPL is more restrictive compared to BSD. Yes, "Do Good" kind of things, that can work in the current social / economical / political framework.I am not sure what I will do in terms of licensing or what software I will create next. I will try to join, so called, "real life" organization here in #France to see what happens.
(DIR) Post #9uU4tkn9CSIhtXjJoG by zipheir@functional.cafe
2020-03-09T17:16:56Z
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@zig I really see the appeal of “Do Good” licenses. But, in practice, it means using copyright law to try to get people to follow one’s own ethics. Since this is generally not the kind of thing that countries expect copyright to be used for, the legal interpretations get really hairy.A very mild example is the [CC-NonCommercial](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/4.0/legalcode) licenses, which many people adopt because they believe that others’ profiting through their work harms them. There has been constant confusion about what “commercial” means in these licenses in various places. [Germany says it means anything that isn’t “personal use”](https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140326/11405526695/german-court-says-creative-commons-non-commercial-licenses-must-be-purely-personal-use.shtml), which is clearly not what most people expect.Regardless of what we mean in a software license, it will eventually be some random court’s interpretation that becomes the locally-correct one. That's a strong reason for me to avoid “ethical” licenses—I really have no idea what they mean!
(DIR) Post #9uVD0MVgs0ZxPCBdBo by zig@functional.cafe
2020-03-09T17:45:00Z
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@zipheir > But, in practice, it means using copyright law One needs to build upon the past and what makes us stand together. Law makes living together possible. It ought to.> to try to get people to follow one’s own ethics.It is not only "one's" own ethics. To speak in terms of motto.I agree with "Cooperative-Non Violent License" which speaks something and is based on international laws.Whereas "GNU" which speaks to me faith and religion.BSD or MIT which speaks to me merely USA.To my mind, BSD and MIT give up on "living together". And you need to read between the lines to understand the "philosophy" of those licenses. I agree with what I read in FreeBSD and NetBSD, and their logos.Reading between the lines is not communication.
(DIR) Post #9uVD0N7yZfChJw6Crg by zipheir@functional.cafe
2020-03-09T18:07:02Z
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@zig Bruce Perens has a good post on the difficulty of enforcing “ethical licenses”: https://perens.com/2019/10/12/invasion-of-the-ethical-licenses/
(DIR) Post #9uVD0NMrgJ7647464W by zig@functional.cafe
2020-03-09T19:02:11Z
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@zipheir Again, the government is sovereign. It does not mean it can go #godwin.IANAL so does Bruce Perens.
(DIR) Post #9uVD0NcSkJaeqUMYNs by zig@functional.cafe
2020-03-09T19:03:14Z
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@zipheir Simply said, that is FUD and forbid any progress.Like Bruce writes, GPL et al. are laughtable. CNLP is not.
(DIR) Post #9uVD0NutdmKrlezH7I by zipheir@functional.cafe
2020-03-09T19:17:17Z
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@zig I’m sorry if you felt irritated when reading that post.I don’t think Perens ever called the GPL “laughable”. He’s taken an interest in the terms of the license several times, including his attempts to show that grsec was violating it by disallowing sharing of their kernel patches.I believe his point about sovereignity was purely legal. Many governments make it very difficult to sue them directly.