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(DIR) Post #9uIHy1zk9FOjunTLwu by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2020-04-22T06:55:59Z
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Hey GNU/Linux greyhairs, I need some help. I am trying to boot GNU/Linux on a 32-bit desktop PC (HP All-in-One), currently running Windows 7. It's too old to boot from USBs and I can't find any BIOS updates for it. I have some blank DVDs, but no access to a PC with a DVD burner that's already running GNU/Linux. It's so long since I burned a DVD on Windows, I have no idea what to use. I tried Infrarecorder, but no joy. Help?
(DIR) Post #9uIIaceYInKGc2xieO by dwaltiz@pleroma.soykaf.com
2020-04-22T07:03:15.991597Z
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@strypey use Nero
(DIR) Post #9uIJTWqzZ7sEYMxidM by vik@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2020-04-22T07:12:55Z
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@strypeyCan you netboot it?
(DIR) Post #9uIJrfiEHTM6yhNMJM by guyjames@social.coop
2020-04-22T07:16:02Z
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@strypey there will be something on ninite.com to brun dvds.
(DIR) Post #9uIKHz9Edt4MmlYSLQ by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2020-04-22T07:20:12Z
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@dwaltizHave they released source code under a free license?
(DIR) Post #9uIMskjLPRAch26WtU by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2020-04-22T07:51:05Z
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@viknever tried that. Got any noob-friendly links on how to do that?
(DIR) Post #9uIN9uUwLXrHuTY3A8 by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2020-04-22T07:54:11Z
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@guyjames that doesn't seem to be any software available there other than a non-free update automator. Are you sure that ninite.com was the URL you were thinking of?
(DIR) Post #9uIPPkFSQF2If8z6jA by wolf480pl@mstdn.io
2020-04-22T08:19:42Z
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@strypey @dwaltiz have Microsoft done that?
(DIR) Post #9uIPZ4dtxy1iWKrn4i by wolf480pl@mstdn.io
2020-04-22T08:21:24Z
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@strypey apparently Win7 natively supports burning ISOshttps://www.howtogeek.com/80094/how-to-burn-an-iso-image-in-windows-7/
(DIR) Post #9uIQFLskGEFi9My9b6 by brad@weeaboo.space
2020-04-22T08:29:03.370438Z
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@strypey I used to use something called imageburn. Can't remember if it's free software.
(DIR) Post #9uIQRH79oPsiq4ObA0 by brad@weeaboo.space
2020-04-22T08:31:12.429549Z
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@strypey new answer: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/InfraRecorderthis is free software (GPL) and on Windows
(DIR) Post #9uIQahLtd8fqotmcDI by dwaltiz@pleroma.soykaf.com
2020-04-22T08:32:55.210555Z
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@strypey No, but you only need it for that one task, right? Aren't you gonna erase all the content of that disk anyway?
(DIR) Post #9uITOnZayVEoV9Cy9I by guyjames@social.coop
2020-04-22T09:04:07Z
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@strypey It's a page for quickly installing Windows software in bulk, there are two DVD burning software programs on there, the one you already tried, and ImgBurn which is old but may work. No idea if it's free or not. There is also this: https://www.dvdfab.cn/resource/dvd/open-source-dvd-burners
(DIR) Post #9uIVTm7lzLezMehAXo by vik@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2020-04-22T09:27:30Z
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@strypeyIt's not a terribly noob-friendly process. You need to set up a server on another machine on the network. But since I last did it, netboot.xyz have apparently created bootable server ISO images. Might be worthwhile looking at that for shortcuts...
(DIR) Post #9uJv1N0wXu91LQZops by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2020-04-23T01:48:11Z
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Thanks for all your suggestions. Does anyone know of something I can boot from and then use that to boot from a USB? That way I only need to successfully burn one DVD, but I can try out a bunch of different live distros before I install. I used to do that with a PLOP boot floppy, but this PC doesn't have a floppy drive. @vik @dwaltiz @wolf480pl @guyjames @brad
(DIR) Post #9uJvA2OaZh8Q0GlmkK by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2020-04-23T01:50:05Z
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@wolf480pl that's what I'm looking for, thanks! I figure the less unmaintained third-party Windows software I involve, the more likely the burn is to work.
(DIR) Post #9uKD6INuz3QJbqoykS by vik@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2020-04-23T05:10:13Z
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@strypey I'd probably do that using a VM like qemu https://makandracards.com/makandra/1192-using-qemu-to-quickly-test-an-iso-or-bootable-usb-driveBe warned that booting things off a cheap USB stick can take a bloody long time!@dwaltiz @wolf480pl @guyjames @brad
(DIR) Post #9uKLNfp3tYN2rBJaWu by guyjames@social.coop
2020-04-23T06:43:43Z
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@strypey @vik @dwaltiz @wolf480pl @brad there is an ISO of Plop boot manager I think
(DIR) Post #9uMNbmvmqpOBBLEqnI by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2020-04-24T06:18:02Z
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@vik > I'd probably do that using a VM like qemu You've lost track of the context. I'm looking for ways to boot a GNU/Linux installer on a Windows PC that doesn't boot off USB, remember?> Be warned that booting things off a cheap USB stick can take a bloody long time!I've been installing GNU/Linux from USB sticks since I got my netbook about 10 years ago. Never found it to be a problem.@dwaltiz @wolf480pl @guyjames @brad
(DIR) Post #9uMNlK7EqAi8i08qC8 by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2020-04-24T06:19:42Z
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@guyjames ooh! That could be what I'm after. I'll look into this.@vik @dwaltiz @wolf480pl @brad
(DIR) Post #9uMOSUePXzHJpoF7QG by vik@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2020-04-24T06:24:30Z
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@strypey Yeah, but if you try to load the ISO off a USB stick in qemu, same problem. I've only had the problem a couple of times, but it's a thing - remember the minimum USB 1.0 transfer speed is technically only 1.5Mib/sec and some Asian mfrs take that as a challenge. Last time it happened my laptop (trying to memload a 1.5GiB ISO before executing) from full charge ran out before booting had finished! I told my friend what I thought about his USB stick...@dwaltiz @wolf480pl @guyjames @brad
(DIR) Post #9uQIi3rb5TIMIPI4FE by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2020-04-26T03:41:58Z
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@guyjames found it! Instructions and download link for using #PLOT as a live CD:https://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager/plpbt.bin.html@vik @dwaltiz @wolf480pl @brad
(DIR) Post #9uQO9nmIz9FAHrrWCG by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2020-04-26T04:42:50Z
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I made a PLOP live CD, which successfully boots on an HP laptop I have here, but the HP All-in-one desktop refuses to boot off it. I double-checked the boot order in the BIOS settings, it's definitely set to boot off the CD-ROM before the hard drive. Very frustrating. Maybe the PLOP CD image expects a 64-bit PC?@guyjames @vik @dwaltiz @wolf480pl @brad
(DIR) Post #9uQR66r4Pq6G9o1QNE by vik@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2020-04-26T05:16:01Z
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@strypey Is the desktop attempting a UEFI boot? @guyjames @dwaltiz @wolf480pl @brad
(DIR) Post #9uQWDKYKNzUORCWAlM by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2020-04-26T06:13:18Z
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@vik The All-in-One is 10 years old, so I doubt it. How can I check that? @guyjames @dwaltiz @wolf480pl @brad
(DIR) Post #9uQWffe5YZ4lxrj5Au by vik@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2020-04-26T06:18:34Z
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@strypeyWhen you look at boot options it'll be all over it. 2008 is when it started, I think.@guyjames @dwaltiz @wolf480pl @brad
(DIR) Post #9uQWn2NvPWgiW4g7vc by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2020-04-26T06:19:37Z
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@vik nah, the BIOS settings screen looks like something from the 1990s. @guyjames @dwaltiz @wolf480pl @brad
(DIR) Post #9uQj5E67nf8bVPnAxc by wolf480pl@mstdn.io
2020-04-26T08:37:44Z
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@strypey @vik @guyjames @dwaltiz @brad thinkpad x220's BIOS also looks like something from the 90s IMO, and yet it does support UEFI.
(DIR) Post #9uSE38cwSbdRhFaPOS by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2020-04-27T01:59:34.058146Z
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@wolf480pl @strypey @vik @guyjames @dwaltiz @brad Same for recent thinkpads btw.
(DIR) Post #9uSGU4G90Vl7sStL4i by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2020-04-27T02:26:42Z
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I mean the specific options offered, not the colour scheme ;) I will double-check, but I did look through all the BIOS menus and I don't remember any mention of UEFI.@wolf480pl @vik @guyjames @dwaltiz @brad @lanodan
(DIR) Post #9uScmY7cuohkhO7psu by wolf480pl@mstdn.io
2020-04-27T06:36:36Z
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@strypeyWhile you're there, check boot order too@vik @guyjames @dwaltiz @brad @lanodan
(DIR) Post #9uSmsTw6OGWKznCbp2 by guyjames@social.coop
2020-04-27T08:29:28Z
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@strypey @vik @dwaltiz @wolf480pl @brad Yeah sometimes old PCs just refuse to boot off certain discs, or all discs. Maybe try an external DVD drive if you have one. Or just smash the whole thing with a hammer :p
(DIR) Post #9uSoWRxRGW0mOgRwcS by vik@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2020-04-27T08:48:08Z
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@guyjamesI've now found 2 external optical drives since reading the original post!@strypey @dwaltiz @wolf480pl @brad
(DIR) Post #9uU9IBowl34oUTTlAm by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2020-04-28T00:15:19Z
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@vik you want to post me one? :P@guyjames @dwaltiz @wolf480pl @brad
(DIR) Post #9uUAZKeJHrDokTF3M8 by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2020-04-28T00:29:44Z
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@wolf480pl https://mastodon.nzoss.nz/@strypey/104063052704910384
(DIR) Post #9uUJDGc4VmvZRnkS4O by vik@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2020-04-28T02:06:32Z
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@strypeyHeh, one I want and the other you don't want! (Which is why it was relegated to the garage) @guyjames @dwaltiz @wolf480pl @brad
(DIR) Post #9uUeRcNQUOp62QaA6a by wolf480pl@mstdn.io
2020-04-28T06:04:38Z
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@strypeyDamn, looks like I can't read. Sorry
(DIR) Post #9uUwm0LOt4vPL1VOgy by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2020-04-28T09:29:58Z
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@wolf480pl I appreciate the effort to help all the same :)
(DIR) Post #9uVCVuvGsJDz9ndOwS by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2020-04-28T12:25:58Z
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@guyjames there are instructions for installing PLOP to the internal hard drive from inside Windows, so I might try that. Or this?https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/LoaderAnyone every tried anything like this?@vik @dwaltiz @wolf480pl @brad
(DIR) Post #9uWCffF8DkKAa6X1yS by vik@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2020-04-29T00:02:42Z
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@strypey OK, this is gonna sound weird, but might just work:1. Create a partition 4GB maybe 8GB as a FAT32.2. Unzip (7zip?) The ISO into that partition.3. Mark the partition as bootable/active with diskmgmt.msc4. Boot it.@guyjames @dwaltiz @wolf480pl @brad
(DIR) Post #9uWHIwALdSTyB2HCnw by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2020-04-29T00:54:30Z
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@vik @guyjames A partition on what? The internal hdd? A USB? Something else?@dwaltiz @wolf480pl @brad
(DIR) Post #9uWMNbzGaQ7QoR8qCO by vik@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2020-04-29T01:51:03Z
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@strypey The internal HDD. You'll probably need to do a bit of resizing - but you need to do that anyway to make room for linux. Once you're running you can reuse it as the swap partition or something.@guyjames @dwaltiz @wolf480pl @brad
(DIR) Post #9uWSERIBa0O6lI05HE by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2020-04-29T02:56:57Z
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@vik OK, thanks for the tip. I finally have an external USB drive to backup the user files on the All-in-One. Once that's complete, I can start experimenting with methods that require altering the hdd.@guyjames @dwaltiz @wolf480pl @brad