Post 9uAwVKeeEbOaFHMMk4 by remotenemesis@hackers.town
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(DIR) Post #9uApgfvamXOfjIkNUG by remotenemesis@hackers.town
2020-04-18T16:17:15Z
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Mumbling something about "cloud co-ops" between bouts of delirium is praxis.
(DIR) Post #9uAphomVLnJZTg2cgC by silver@fedimaker.space
2020-04-18T16:18:02Z
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@remotenemesis I wouldn't mind being an email server admin I just don't want to be the ONLY ONE, right?!
(DIR) Post #9uAphqB0ACVJnwVhVA by remotenemesis@hackers.town
2020-04-18T16:18:28Z
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@silver that was kind of my thought for a hot minute.
(DIR) Post #9uAphqbEafUJ7ImeOG by silver@fedimaker.space
2020-04-18T16:21:55Z
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@remotenemesis The fediverse is proof enough that we can find eachother and communicate with systems we manage ourselves as a hobby. No naysayers to say we cant, unlike email and other legacy services where there are 10,000 admins saying "I'm tired of it, you're dumb for wanting that" instead of helping and an army of gatekeepers preventing low-resourced sites from participating. Arg, this makes me so mad, I could almost give root access to a stranger!
(DIR) Post #9uApiZhUuEEgzl3mts by remotenemesis@hackers.town
2020-04-18T16:30:21Z
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@silver know anyone else who might be interested in such a hairbrained scheme? I see so many bright points of lights burning out alone.
(DIR) Post #9uApjPIp3DOb2Huoeu by djsundog@toot-lab.reclaim.technology
2020-04-18T16:34:37Z
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@remotenemesis not gonna lie, wouldn't mind being an employee/co-owner of a cloud co-op specializing in human- and humane-scale hosting. far more attractive an idea than being a solo operator.
(DIR) Post #9uAtTzgUPsRH3TtKXw by poncio@hackers.town
2020-04-18T16:35:34Z
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@djsundog @remotenemesis I'm in!! if I can help!!
(DIR) Post #9uAtTzsBiNnRdlMfmS by remotenemesis@hackers.town
2020-04-18T16:46:13Z
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@poncio @djsundog @silver Full disclosure, I'm not a sysadmin 🤣
(DIR) Post #9uAtU03B3WaSBqVRuS by djsundog@toot-lab.reclaim.technology
2020-04-18T16:47:24Z
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@remotenemesis @poncio @silver hm, disagree, honestly - you clearly admin a number of systems. it may not be your vocation, but eh, vocations change ;)
(DIR) Post #9uAtU0EWNLf2l1oVai by remotenemesis@hackers.town
2020-04-18T16:49:35Z
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@djsundog @poncio @silver I'm in denial. I do a little more Cloud DevOps than I'd like.OK here's an interesting question. Could this be done securely without a data-center? i.e. from home?
(DIR) Post #9uAtU0SLXwihRuHY8m by djsundog@toot-lab.reclaim.technology
2020-04-18T16:52:05Z
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@remotenemesis @poncio @silver a lot of that depends on the connectivity to the homes in question, I'd say, as well as where the desired "service level" falls for the intended client base - if we're talking redundant interconnects and fall-over generators for power loss and such, it probably gets unwieldy pretty quick, but if expectations are "two nines"...
(DIR) Post #9uAtU0dgrlnI15abp2 by remotenemesis@hackers.town
2020-04-18T16:54:50Z
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@djsundog @poncio @silver start small?What's not covered well out there? Email for sure. Just running things like Matrix and XMPP, and Next Cloud would go a long way. Where things start to get bad is when you get a knock on the door because someone has uploaded illegal content.
(DIR) Post #9uAtU0qS6K0CefYniK by remotenemesis@hackers.town
2020-04-18T16:56:47Z
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@djsundog @poncio @silver I'd pay for a nicely hosted gitea that I can trust is backed up.
(DIR) Post #9uAtU13DKsD7IFWzbc by poncio@hackers.town
2020-04-18T16:58:17Z
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@remotenemesis @djsundog @silver i agree, i'd rather focus on backup and security than uptime or speed
(DIR) Post #9uAtU1JANYyG5izjTE by remotenemesis@hackers.town
2020-04-18T16:59:45Z
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@poncio @djsundog @silver Mutual Aid hosting...Anyone know someone with co-op experience who wants to help organize something like this?
(DIR) Post #9uAtU1aXKyrixb7bXs by djsundog@toot-lab.reclaim.technology
2020-04-18T17:01:40Z
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@remotenemesis @poncio @silver that would be the big missing part - if someone could come in and help get the organizational structure set up, the tech side would come together lickety split.
(DIR) Post #9uAtU1p4SwUXgfvDCS by msh@coales.co
2020-04-18T17:18:41Z
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@djsundog I would get on board with this too if someone could help with the business organisation thing, as I am bad at that. But I'm also outside the US. I wonder what special considerations there would be for international operation.@remotenemesis @poncio @silver
(DIR) Post #9uAtZgs3HGQyRZ134q by remotenemesis@hackers.town
2020-04-18T17:19:28Z
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@msh get in the hellthread!@djsundog @poncio @silver
(DIR) Post #9uAvDKhfDOf9EIcjp2 by remotenemesis@hackers.town
2020-04-18T17:18:27Z
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@lindsays @djsundog @poncio @silver want in on the hellthread?
(DIR) Post #9uAvDKwYK2ZXyTad1s by silver@fedimaker.space
2020-04-18T17:19:36Z
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@remotenemesis @lindsays @djsundog @poncio Maybe we should move to a tag?
(DIR) Post #9uAvDLCVMjKglx3MtU by silver@fedimaker.space
2020-04-18T17:21:57Z
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@remotenemesis @lindsays @djsundog @poncio #hellthreadcoop?
(DIR) Post #9uAvDLVeDYe3jK0ejQ by remotenemesis@hackers.town
2020-04-18T17:22:15Z
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@silver @lindsays @djsundog @poncio 🤣
(DIR) Post #9uAvDLgHa19UGIz9JA by remotenemesis@hackers.town
2020-04-18T17:23:56Z
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@silver @lindsays @djsundog @poncio we could mandate some minimum hardware as a buy-in
(DIR) Post #9uAvDLquwTeunHxdsu by poncio@hackers.town
2020-04-18T17:25:06Z
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@remotenemesis @silver @lindsays @djsundog you can get old enterprise servers for very next to nothing
(DIR) Post #9uAvDM0qLZbBI4bZM8 by remotenemesis@hackers.town
2020-04-18T17:25:28Z
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@poncio @silver @lindsays @djsundog I know! I was thinking about doing that myself.
(DIR) Post #9uAvDMIvGM3oC940XI by djsundog@toot-lab.reclaim.technology
2020-04-18T17:27:56Z
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@remotenemesis @poncio @silver @lindsays @msh #MutualAidHosting there are some downsides to refurb enterprise gear - the spares for hardware maintenance are a lot pricier than standard pc components, and a lot less flexible in terms of OEM supplier. I was running some refurb rack gear here, but it ended up being easier and cheaper using decommissioned corp desktop sff pcs tbh
(DIR) Post #9uAvDMTYcoZEj82V72 by msh@coales.co
2020-04-18T17:38:18Z
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@djsundog on one hand enterprise gear is pretty solid, on the other hand it is not perfect and even if parts aren't expensive they are also not commodity so can be difficult to procure quickly. My servers have run nearly 8 years now, but each has lost a power supply on separate occasions. I replaced them with refurbished units at reasonable cost but it took awhile to get them shipped.Thankfully they have redundant supplies so there was no downtime.@remotenemesis @poncio @silver @lindsays
(DIR) Post #9uAvEDyvgu9afm7ns0 by poncio@hackers.town
2020-04-18T17:29:05Z
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@djsundog @remotenemesis @silver @lindsays @msh true
(DIR) Post #9uAvEE9Z3Mf1Cl6IRk by djsundog@toot-lab.reclaim.technology
2020-04-18T17:31:21Z
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@poncio @remotenemesis @silver @lindsays @msh random: if every co-op member could convince a next door neighbor to also become a co-op member and use a different ISP, we could at least get some network diversity with 10gbps interconnects between yards/townhouses/apartments 😆
(DIR) Post #9uAvEEMKHurvqL4UL2 by remotenemesis@hackers.town
2020-04-18T17:33:14Z
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@djsundog @poncio @silver @lindsays @msh then we start with a mesh networking take over as phase 3? ;)
(DIR) Post #9uAvEEYNZ6VgRii77o by djsundog@toot-lab.reclaim.technology
2020-04-18T17:34:04Z
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@remotenemesis @poncio @silver @lindsays @msh ain't no reason we can't play chess, right? ;)
(DIR) Post #9uAvEEhwzWAMvPBl2m by remotenemesis@hackers.town
2020-04-18T17:36:47Z
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@djsundog @poncio @silver @lindsays @msh There's something here right?Worth pursuing?Any deal breakers for anyone?
(DIR) Post #9uAvEEv4Ckera5KEUK by kemonine@social.holdmybeer.solutions
2020-04-18T17:38:29.781651Z
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@remotenemesis @djsundog @poncio @silver @lindsays @msh I'm scanning the thread and am wondering what kind of hardware you'll be deployingAnd is it a service deploy per 'household' or a general deploy of a service then used by everyone?
(DIR) Post #9uAvZ4w8W1CIhXlKWu by remotenemesis@hackers.town
2020-04-18T17:41:34Z
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@kemonine 👋 My thought is deploying something like Kubernetes, having the node join the cluster. A co-operative hosting cloud. With a managed backplane of data services, including file/object/ databases etc.Maybe some centralized multi-tenant services too if that makes sense.@msh @silver @lindsays @poncio @djsundog
(DIR) Post #9uAvgeLtExTAZEQ1Hk by kemonine@social.holdmybeer.solutions
2020-04-18T17:43:38.509195Z
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@remotenemesis Something like... You add a node (or multiple with appropriate or standard specs) and then get access to 'the infra' which is basically a helm repo of supported software.From there users can deploy services and get help from other members?@msh @silver @lindsays @poncio @djsundog
(DIR) Post #9uAvh9a980IDQQKLJI by poncio@hackers.town
2020-04-18T17:42:47Z
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@remotenemesis @kemonine @msh @silver @lindsays @djsundog exactly
(DIR) Post #9uAvhFCcEP2GrBMdSy by remotenemesis@hackers.town
2020-04-18T17:43:34Z
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@poncio @kemonine @msh @silver @lindsays @djsundog Cracking this so we can avoid centralized data would be sweet.
(DIR) Post #9uAvjEz60rtql9zabo by djsundog@toot-lab.reclaim.technology
2020-04-18T17:43:55Z
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@remotenemesis @kemonine @msh @silver @lindsays @poncio concur, along with "managed hosting" type services as offered by current cloud providers - straight VPS, managed app-specific stuff, whatever. heck, maybe even a limited amount of SBC co-location services might end up being offered ;)
(DIR) Post #9uAvlqe6xXN68zQ7OK by kemonine@social.holdmybeer.solutions
2020-04-18T17:44:35.502574Z
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@djsundog So more of a co-op mesh of boxes scattered about...🤔 @remotenemesis @msh @silver @lindsays @poncio
(DIR) Post #9uAvrQbEiCev6Gjhwm by remotenemesis@hackers.town
2020-04-18T17:45:00Z
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@kemonine @msh @silver @lindsays @poncio @djsundog I'm thinking you join the co-op with some hardware as a cost of entry.You get some credits maybe (give or take), and can run your stuff. It runs anywhere on the cluster it can.No quite self-hosting in that regard.
(DIR) Post #9uAvtbPtSunhEBT3Vg by kemonine@social.holdmybeer.solutions
2020-04-18T17:45:59.621989Z
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@remotenemesis Less self hsoting and more distributed compute.An interesting concept@msh @silver @lindsays @poncio @djsundog
(DIR) Post #9uAvuBw3gnv6UMnFdw by djsundog@toot-lab.reclaim.technology
2020-04-18T17:45:51Z
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@kemonine @msh @silver @lindsays @poncio @remotenemesis ...running a co-op mesh of software services scattered about, with scattered gateways out to the public networks and IP blocks to work with (and potentially backchannel route lol)
(DIR) Post #9uAvwTLRvr0h3wl1IO by kemonine@social.holdmybeer.solutions
2020-04-18T17:46:30.630152Z
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@djsundog How does this work with members who can't get or afford speedy internets but can obtain something like a raspberry pi 4?@msh @silver @lindsays @poncio @remotenemesis
(DIR) Post #9uAvx6VkJVQ4XAsIG8 by silver@fedimaker.space
2020-04-18T17:46:29Z
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@remotenemesis @kemonine @msh @lindsays @poncio @djsundog I'd like this to be accessible to non-techies too, so something other than compute/bandwidth should probably be an option for pitching in.
(DIR) Post #9uAw1fhZPw20pnaETo by kemonine@social.holdmybeer.solutions
2020-04-18T17:47:27.049764Z
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@silver I was just having a similar thought. Where I live getting any kind of reasonable upstream for @ home self host is a tricky proposition and unlikely to happen unless you start talking about a fibre run you'll likely have to pay for@remotenemesis @msh @lindsays @poncio @djsundog
(DIR) Post #9uAw2Vxf7LniulVomW by djsundog@toot-lab.reclaim.technology
2020-04-18T17:47:08Z
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@kemonine @msh @silver @lindsays @poncio @remotenemesis multiplayer cooperative plan9os ;)
(DIR) Post #9uAwV5FHWdBySGNOca by msh@coales.co
2020-04-18T17:52:44Z
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@djsundog @kemonine @silver @lindsays @poncio @remotenemesis I think all members would get a little box for their home, kind of like a "super router" gateway, that would give them a certain level of services, including routable IPv6 addresses. It would be a server incognito. Such users would not even need to fully appreciate that are self hosting anything. Us "tech manager" members could host more complicated parts of the infrastructure.
(DIR) Post #9uAwVKeeEbOaFHMMk4 by remotenemesis@hackers.town
2020-04-18T17:51:27Z
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@djsundog @lindsays @silver @kemonine @msh @poncio the management for a multi-tenant cloud is non-trivial. We're talking about making what is effectively Google Cloud with distrubuted nodes... 🤔 Is there a better way?
(DIR) Post #9uAwc9YZtWsZqwlzVY by silver@fedimaker.space
2020-04-18T17:54:01Z
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@msh @djsundog @kemonine @lindsays @poncio @remotenemesis A gateway box would work. Maybe a raspberry pi image for most people. Problem though, I don't have crap for home bandwidth. That's why I'm moving my services from home to a VPS in the first place.
(DIR) Post #9uAwptoJEfhr4SgaJc by kemonine@social.holdmybeer.solutions
2020-04-18T17:56:30.846145Z
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@remotenemesisproper docs and support so folks can self host their own node?that and even k3s can be considered a 'heavy' service.depending on the offered services and number of users a member sets ip on their deployment(s) can become a major factor on amount of hardware needed quickly.there is a reason I ended up with half a dozen mini servers instead of only one big server... the little ones couldnt host all the things I wanted @djsundog @lindsays @silver @msh @poncio
(DIR) Post #9uAws1kegLDQHLzWwi by remotenemesis@hackers.town
2020-04-18T17:54:34Z
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@silver @msh @djsundog @kemonine @lindsays @poncio Lets recognized that most people don't and treat that as a constraint?
(DIR) Post #9uAwtPir2msIufoJ4y by djsundog@toot-lab.reclaim.technology
2020-04-18T17:56:56Z
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@remotenemesis @silver @msh @kemonine @lindsays @poncio this for sure, and then when some of us have access to fatter pipes, we can do more of the heavy lifting on the edge of the network
(DIR) Post #9uAwz37O00rqXoyKGm by kemonine@social.holdmybeer.solutions
2020-04-18T17:58:10.896145Z
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@silverhome bandwith is a major problem in the usa. as are transfer limits / usage patterns. @msh @djsundog @lindsays @poncio @remotenemesis
(DIR) Post #9uAxarHiRZtUqdpfnc by msh@coales.co
2020-04-18T18:04:28Z
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@kemonine this is true to some extent in Canada too, especially rural users. The industry designed for internet consumption, not true participation.It is a challenge but not insurmountable. I think this idea of a cooperative federation of service providers will eventually have to move down the stack and become actual ISPs some day.In the meantime I think there are solutions to allow members with limited connectivity to participate. @silver @lindsays @poncio @remotenemesis @djsundog
(DIR) Post #9uAyUuW3cJ9N5QGh6W by djsundog@toot-lab.reclaim.technology
2020-04-18T18:02:39Z
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@kemonine @msh @silver @lindsays @poncio @remotenemesis for nodes that "live" where that's the case, our infra should offer edge proxying on nodes that "live" where that's not the case, I'd posit off the top of my head - we might as well become cloudflare too while we're at it, right? ;)
(DIR) Post #9uAyUuvE6jHcLU2nKq by djsundog@toot-lab.reclaim.technology
2020-04-18T18:04:05Z
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@kemonine @msh @silver @lindsays @poncio @remotenemesis also, nothing in any of this makes datacenters verboten - there's no reason we couldn't augment with commercial presence where and when that made sense, assuming we were also generating enough income to support the transactions on an ongoing bases, blah blah blah
(DIR) Post #9uAyUvBB9Q2l8xVXCS by msh@coales.co
2020-04-18T18:15:02Z
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@djsundog absolutely! I think nodes could be colocated or hosted in cheap VPSes and maintained by members who have the experience but lack on-premise resources or connectivity.I used to work with someone who now helps run YYCIX. I should get in touch and see what it takes to get an ASN and peer with them LOLNot 100% joking either...if this idea took off and we pooled our resources that would be feasible.@kemonine @silver @lindsays @poncio @remotenemesis
(DIR) Post #9uAyhfZcU4zwVX1CyW by remotenemesis@hackers.town
2020-04-18T17:57:46Z
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@kemonine That's a different project, that already exists, no?@msh @silver @lindsays @poncio @djsundog
(DIR) Post #9uAyhflflGdh6ueplI by kemonine@social.holdmybeer.solutions
2020-04-18T18:17:25.793563Z
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@remotenemesis yes, lollipop covers docs and containrs for the most partI was trying to subtly get at it being a solid option for building on top ofthat and as a solo maintainer i'd appreciate some help 😉 nevermind k3s / k8s work with the containers we have for docker 😁 @msh @silver @lindsays @poncio @djsundog
(DIR) Post #9uAyiG8yW6fZvbpx56 by poncio@hackers.town
2020-04-18T17:58:06Z
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@djsundog @remotenemesis @silver @msh @kemonine @lindsays that could grow to a small subset of main nodes with more computing power and network access
(DIR) Post #9uAyiWQDzjyUPk1xBo by remotenemesis@hackers.town
2020-04-18T17:58:46Z
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@thegibson Get in the hell thread!@poncio @djsundog @silver @msh @kemonine @lindsays
(DIR) Post #9uAymAR5gEx7NsApuq by thegibson@hackers.town
2020-04-18T18:06:00Z
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@remotenemesis @poncio @djsundog @silver @msh @kemonine @lindsays Think we can cover costs?
(DIR) Post #9uAymqZN1qX03iN2eW by djsundog@toot-lab.reclaim.technology
2020-04-18T18:06:27Z
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@kemonine @msh @silver @lindsays @poncio @remotenemesis sooner rather than later, as this starts to coalesce, we're going to need to get consensus on our internal and external acceptable use policies and make them as explicit and clear as possible
(DIR) Post #9uAyo1AP76w5DQFdNA by silver@fedimaker.space
2020-04-18T18:11:31Z
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@djsundog @kemonine @msh @lindsays @poncio @remotenemesis >augment with commercial presenceServers and datacenters are VERY inexpensive for the number of users they can support. Thousands of users can use a server that costs only hundreds of dollars a month for services that are typically offered by ISPs (email, hosting, etc). Anything lightly loaded with good uptime requirements fits nicely. IMHO, that's communication services.
(DIR) Post #9uAypglVw8oyWLPE12 by djsundog@toot-lab.reclaim.technology
2020-04-18T18:11:35Z
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@TheGibson @remotenemesis @poncio @silver @msh @kemonine @lindsays initially? if we're each covering our own currently, and can keep covering our own for a bit, I think we can get to a point where we're offering services-for-monies to non-members/paying members to offset and reimburse member expenses wrt the actual infrastructure and services being offered. I'm not sure what the transition looks like - we need co-op folk to help us set all of this part up imo, but that's my fuzzy feel look from my perspective
(DIR) Post #9uAyyECPVxesWx3fsm by amelia@hackers.town
2020-04-18T18:16:54Z
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@djsundog @thegibson @remotenemesis @poncio @silver @msh @kemonine @lindsays :blobcatsip:
(DIR) Post #9uAz04kjbgqpoPzhD6 by thegibson@hackers.town
2020-04-18T18:17:06Z
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@djsundog @remotenemesis @poncio @silver @msh @kemonine @lindsays And as such we are working on a “build it and they will come” basis?What is the target audience?What makes us unique?
(DIR) Post #9uAz0M1fNzUpNr2xSi by thegibson@hackers.town
2020-04-18T18:17:40Z
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@djsundog @remotenemesis @poncio @silver @msh @kemonine @lindsays Not critical from a negative place, just asking the questions.
(DIR) Post #9uAzIwp7JPYAip2iTg by thegibson@hackers.town
2020-04-18T18:22:37Z
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@djsundog @remotenemesis @poncio @silver @msh @kemonine @lindsays Also, while I have thoughts on this all, I maintain that we have an ethical obligation to not become cock.li
(DIR) Post #9uAzJjHT9IkZ0eg2Km by remotenemesis@hackers.town
2020-04-18T18:23:01Z
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@thegibson @djsundog @poncio @silver @msh @kemonine @lindsays yeah I mentioned this earlier. Also a liability
(DIR) Post #9uB07hCd9Jen2mEuu0 by NOCARRIER@hackers.town
2020-04-18T18:28:29Z
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@remotenemesis @thegibson @djsundog @poncio @silver @msh @kemonine @lindsays I don't know if it helps, but I install/manage/admin mesh networks professionally. I'm happy to be a resource if you run into any hard challenges in that general area.
(DIR) Post #9uB07nnMdebbURTKzY by remotenemesis@hackers.town
2020-04-18T18:29:30Z
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@NOCARRIER @thegibson @djsundog @poncio @silver @msh @kemonine @lindsays Thank yoU!
(DIR) Post #9uB089A7CGHXl5HIrw by NOCARRIER@hackers.town
2020-04-18T18:30:25Z
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@remotenemesis @thegibson @djsundog @poncio @silver @msh @kemonine @lindsays no problem. I also do devops for my studio (as underfunded as it is) so I have some experience in that area as well.
(DIR) Post #9uB1dDaWtHqOPu0s7M by thegibson@hackers.town
2020-04-18T17:58:11Z
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@djsundog @remotenemesis I’m down.
(DIR) Post #9uB1oXE8DN2mVivtfU by remotenemesis@hackers.town
2020-04-18T18:36:00Z
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@poncio @kemonine @msh @silver @amelia @lindsays @thegibson @djsundog this... bring what ya got
(DIR) Post #9uB1psYCQ3PgvzxayG by arcans@hackers.town
2020-04-18T18:45:57Z
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@remotenemesis @NOCARRIER @thegibson @djsundog @poncio @silver @msh @kemonine @lindsays Hi all, not sure if it helps as I have read through that thread and not necessarily understood everything, but maybe you can check out that project from France (I think this is a project from FFDN, an associative ISP active in France and Belgium):https://internetcu.be/It does provide hardware for a decentralized internet, so it might be partly relevant, although I am not sure this is the same underlying idea.
(DIR) Post #9uB1q9gygfXK69CLVw by NOCARRIER@hackers.town
2020-04-18T18:47:21Z
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@arcans @remotenemesis @thegibson @djsundog @poncio @silver @msh @kemonine @lindsays there's also a similar (?) one in Portland I think? Or Seattle? I remember finding it while looking for community ISPs last year.
(DIR) Post #9uB1r8lLd2HFVMiCIK by djsundog@toot-lab.reclaim.technology
2020-04-18T18:48:29Z
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@TheGibson @remotenemesis @poncio @silver @msh @kemonine @lindsays okay, refilled my coffee, taking a first pass at thisyes to your first question, I thinkinitial target audience is us, followed by folk who want to host and/or access net services at low cost without managing it all themselves.what makes us unique is we're building a global multi-architecture cloud solutions provider leveraging our collective pre-existing underutilized resources and skills, much like amazon did with aws, but without being an evil megacorp. we're a co-op of like-minded technologists providing services to folk who need some tech. we've got a wide, diverse skill set even in this initial hellthread instantiation. we can offer any number of services, simplify the services we're each currently independently supporting, and do so in a privacy-minded, ethical, and economical manner. we are, in short, mighty.
(DIR) Post #9uB2PsSiE3Ev5KYjIW by oranje@cybre.space
2020-04-18T18:53:22Z
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@djsundog @TheGibson @remotenemesis @poncio @silver @msh @kemonine @lindsays From now on, you are the Mighty DJSundog!
(DIR) Post #9uB2UjBm89XZlxwxBg by thegibson@hackers.town
2020-04-18T18:54:03Z
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@djsundog @remotenemesis @poncio @silver @msh @kemonine @lindsays I dig it.I just needed to see the answers.I am going to continue to ask the bad questions. Devil's advocate and all that.Can we compete on cost to a point where ethics are affordable? (Don't @ me, this is a thing)Are we acknowledging competition?We must be able to structure it in a way that rewards members... I have been a part of ESOPs before, but not a Co-OP. I know what they are, but can someone give me a very high-level definition of how the organization/business side of this works? Sustainability matters.
(DIR) Post #9uB2k2oZRdS6z6Opua by bamfic@hub.spaz.org
2020-04-18T18:51:01.629763Z
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@remotenemesis @poncio @djsundog @silver I would ask https://sudoroom.org
(DIR) Post #9uB2k35wP3LZqyWhzE by djsundog@toot-lab.reclaim.technology
2020-04-18T18:52:30Z
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@bamfic @silver @poncio @remotenemesis right on - thank!
(DIR) Post #9uB2k3KTX0yOa3KJdo by bamfic@hub.spaz.org
2020-04-18T18:57:00.157609Z
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@djsundog @silver @poncio @remotenemesis There was also an insane maniac on here last year who was building a Kubernetes and CEPH and maybe OpenStack cluster out of ARM boards. Should get them up in this too. I'm down to help as well.
(DIR) Post #9uB2k3YegIJdI1xdk8 by alrs@lsngl.us
2020-04-18T19:02:38Z
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@bamfic @silver @poncio @remotenemesis @djsundog My 5-node object store has been off for years, but I have intentions.
(DIR) Post #9uB3FVtJOBUk8mcffU by djsundog@toot-lab.reclaim.technology
2020-04-18T19:01:57Z
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@TheGibson @remotenemesis @poncio @silver @msh @kemonine @lindsays there are no bad questions at this stage or any tbh :)I think we can, because I think we have some advantages in terms of overhead by using shared spaces (our residences, mostly), and I think that taking an ethical stance on our offerings will be a selling point. it is inherent to who we are, and we are, ultimately, realistically, offering ourselves as a pre-organized distributed team of tech problem solvers, along with some common problems we've solved already (once we're actually doing the thing).we absolutely have competition, but the addressable market is immense and our niche is our approach. we're not going into this to make VC money or go public or get the big score - we're simply trying to solve a set of problems that we have and we know others have, too, in a way that can ultimately provide for itself in a self-sustaining manner.alas, I am not the one to answer the co-op question, but I am interested in hearing the answers those more knowledgeable have to offer
(DIR) Post #9uB4NuAZ6gJBi2G4R6 by poncio@hackers.town
2020-04-18T19:04:02Z
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@djsundog @thegibson @remotenemesis @silver @msh @kemonine @lindsays how about we start testing with our own personal infra, if we can interconnect a network of home servers to create a micro aws of sorts, to be used by us, then we can start talking about scaleIf we fail at this level, we don't need to worry about future plans!!
(DIR) Post #9uB4NuRE6jdUXi3NPE by djsundog@toot-lab.reclaim.technology
2020-04-18T19:04:57Z
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@poncio @TheGibson @remotenemesis @silver @msh @kemonine @lindsays dig. I'm down to that level of commitment at the very least.
(DIR) Post #9uB4NuehIePZDUM8P2 by msh@coales.co
2020-04-18T19:21:01Z
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@djsundog @poncio my rigs and my connection are far from state of the art, but I have a total of 24 hyperthreading cores and 96 GiB RAM at my command hosting KVM instances that could participate.@thegibson @remotenemesis @silver @kemonine @lindsays
(DIR) Post #9uBCJXot3kq4rsYAbo by poncio@hackers.town
2020-04-18T19:05:22Z
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@djsundog @thegibson @remotenemesis @silver @msh @kemonine @lindsays me too!
(DIR) Post #9uBCJxqCJVKtZTMaGG by beadsland@mastodon.social
2020-04-18T19:08:56Z
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@poncio @djsundog @thegibson @remotenemesis @silver @msh @kemonine @lindsays Might be worthwhile, also, to look into the learnings and experiences coming out of community wifi projects like NYCMesh.But yeah, proof of concept prototyping of internetworked home servers, definitely the place to start.
(DIR) Post #9uBCLsEk7X5Ellkqu0 by nomad@hackers.town
2020-04-18T19:42:49Z
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@thegibson @djsundog @remotenemesis @poncio @silver @msh @kemonine @lindsays I think this is a great thing you're organizing. I (used to) teach ethics for sysadmins so I tend to focus on things a bit differently. My big concern reading these plans are policy issues. For example, what is going to happen when the first warrant is presented because someone is accused of hosting porn (kiddy or otherwise) or "scientology" insider information or other $hot-button-data on this system?
(DIR) Post #9uBCM0TZUHhMK4ko7s by remotenemesis@hackers.town
2020-04-18T19:43:15Z
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@nomad @thegibson @djsundog @poncio @silver @msh @kemonine @lindsays thank you!
(DIR) Post #9uBCMO73bdwvdCPAMi by thegibson@hackers.town
2020-04-18T19:47:49Z
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@nomad @djsundog @remotenemesis @poncio @silver @msh @kemonine @lindsays This is always going to be a challenge... and policy and oversight will have to be a part of the plan.
(DIR) Post #9uBCMUwgCco8p2bTf6 by poncio@hackers.town
2020-04-18T20:14:25Z
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@thegibson @nomad @djsundog @remotenemesis @silver @msh @kemonine @lindsays agree!!