Post 9tkP18643VdFFty5GS by dwaltiz@pleroma.soykaf.com
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(DIR) Post #9tkOpWZbE9Rhh0FVL6 by kaniini@socially.whimsic.al
2020-04-05T22:33:00.278300Z
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how selection works everywhere else: you click on the things you want to selecthow selection works in KDE by default: you click on that + iconi shit you not
(DIR) Post #9tkP13VP7rvl12mkZE by kaniini@socially.whimsic.al
2020-04-05T22:35:05.341972Z
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it's for the tablets they say, as that plus icon has such an unusably tiny hit box as to make the whole exercise pointless
(DIR) Post #9tkP18643VdFFty5GS by dwaltiz@pleroma.soykaf.com
2020-04-05T22:35:06.112361Z
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@kaniini oh god
(DIR) Post #9tkP6XRFGOcrIbSEHw by velartrill@pleroma.site
2020-04-05T22:34:46.639394Z
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@kaniini oh good grief
(DIR) Post #9tkP6YKtvT945DUg2S by velartrill@pleroma.site
2020-04-05T22:35:19.326159Z
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@kaniini didn't they borrow this from Windows Explorer's weird single-click navigation mode
(DIR) Post #9tkP6ZECbrNgqjMqEi by kaniini@socially.whimsic.al
2020-04-05T22:36:01.709492Z
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@velartrill you mean the one that is not enabled by default?
(DIR) Post #9tkP8yx1wWlxCuUFIO by velartrill@pleroma.site
2020-04-05T22:36:03.712774Z
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@kaniini but… don't you have to hover to get the hit box to show up in the first place!?? how does that make any sense at all
(DIR) Post #9tkP90h9SXG8cF4ap6 by kaniini@socially.whimsic.al
2020-04-05T22:36:31.022123Z
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@velartrill long press
(DIR) Post #9tkPNFwbYlHdxs5u08 by kaniini@socially.whimsic.al
2020-04-05T22:39:05.722993Z
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i submit that KUbuntu were actually right to disable this nonsense by default
(DIR) Post #9tkPUmLtSyOwVFVg7E by mewmew@blob.cat
2020-04-05T22:40:26.775673Z
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@kaniini @velartrill who in the world thought that long-press + press a tiny box is any better than just tapping the thing
(DIR) Post #9tkPYnCcFLvoIa5Hiy by keithzg@fediverse.keithzg.ca
2020-04-05T22:34:57.150793Z
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@kaniini Well, that's the default single-click setup. Personally I like it! Many distros make the default the Windows-like double-click though and I can't blame 'em.
(DIR) Post #9tkPYnpFvgq8EQA8x6 by kaniini@socially.whimsic.al
2020-04-05T22:41:10.845105Z
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@keithzg look, if you want to live a deviant lifestyle, that's your business, but don't force it on the rest of us as a default
(DIR) Post #9tkPfbF17Ib5EESA3U by lachs0r@nazrin.moe
2020-04-05T22:41:32Z
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@kaniini @velartrill of course there’s an option for italso jesus christ what are they doing to systemsettingsit’s completely inconsistent with the rest of KDE and all the widgets are broken (see that elided text? there’s no way to see the part that’s cut off what the fuck)
(DIR) Post #9tkPfc0AI0JLaSVoXo by kaniini@socially.whimsic.al
2020-04-05T22:42:24.287250Z
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@lachs0r @velartrill yes, i know there's an option, hince "by default."i want alpine to flip the default but everyone seems to think that messing with upstream defaults is bad karma
(DIR) Post #9tkPhBYZaATC9GMA8u by mewmew@blob.cat
2020-04-05T22:42:40.534311Z
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@keithzg @kaniini launching something is a bigger investment, having to double-click makes sense for that. a selection has basically zero investment so making that happen with a single-click makes more sense.
(DIR) Post #9tkPszwIbKOFap5Rke by kaniini@socially.whimsic.al
2020-04-05T22:44:50.343161Z
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this shit is why the free desktop will never succeed in the mainstream. it's simple: make something that can compete with windows. KDE comes so close, and then blows it with this "click the + icon to select items" crap.
(DIR) Post #9tkPvl54Ik0gNXVMf2 by shadowfacts@social.shadowfacts.net
2020-04-05T22:45:20.505335Z
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@kaniini @lachs0r @velartrill it probably is bad karma, but that default is just bad
(DIR) Post #9tkQ3gwvXrprslToHI by toast@toast.cafe
2020-04-05T22:46:45.781872Z
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@kaniini why don't you just set it to do the thing like you want?General Behavior -> Click Behavior -> Double-click to open files and folders
(DIR) Post #9tkQCGL3qveRxNr57I by kaniini@socially.whimsic.al
2020-04-05T22:48:19.412156Z
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@toast i already did years ago, but that doesn't mean the default isn't stupid
(DIR) Post #9tkQKTX2gUfrBwNKxU by toast@toast.cafe
2020-04-05T22:49:48.156090Z
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@kaniini oh I seeI mean it's actually emulating MacOS (as far as I understand)you can hold shift and click to select as wellor drag-a-box-around-the thingiirc the default used to be on double-click (might have been a long time), but actual users asked for it to be changed
(DIR) Post #9tkQOWoQQiicWXRGOu by kaniini@socially.whimsic.al
2020-04-05T22:50:31.569187Z
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@toast no, it is not emulating MacOS. in MacOS, you double-click to activate things.
(DIR) Post #9tkRAsS5HGCtXQ2knw by steakwipe@toast.cafe
2020-04-05T22:59:16.469802Z
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@toast @kaniini imo closest thing to "blowing it" plasma does is provide that insane amount of configurable options. useful but occasionally a bit muchand if i had to guess whyyy their defaults are what they are, it might be so they *aren't* immediately assumed to be copying someone else. (but this is speculation that seems fairly reasonable) most folks i know (i cant think of anyone who sticks with the single click offhand tbh) - they usually change up the clicking behavior, if nothing else anyway- like, first thing with a fresh setupbut we can also just go raaaar too configurable, and its a completely fair critique. buuut i like plasma a lot. just not all that much right out of the boxsry to chime in i just had a thought seein the exchange, my 2 cents, etc. plz have a nice day <3
(DIR) Post #9tkRLUFPbp2hefAvPE by kaniini@socially.whimsic.al
2020-04-05T23:01:11.503404Z
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@steakwipe @toast yes, the would be copying what every other desktop in 50 years of GUIs have done
(DIR) Post #9tkRSLSYgH5OQVavOy by steakwipe@toast.cafe
2020-04-05T23:02:26.380632Z
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@kaniini @toast that's a pretty wild generalization but of course not really incorrect or anythingbut kde's had the single click as default for at least 20 of those 50
(DIR) Post #9tkSDyap0BJhPHAilE by keithzg@fediverse.keithzg.ca
2020-04-05T22:48:40.783946Z
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@mewmew @keithzg @kaniini Well in fairness the latter is still true by default in modern Plasma, you just have to single-click a bit more specifically than in many other OSes and DEs ;)
(DIR) Post #9tkaLqo6dGCjD3eRfM by brad@weeaboo.space
2020-04-06T00:41:29.439745Z
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@kaniini Does hovering over it to select work also? That's how single-click stuff works in thunar and pcmanfm I think. Hover to highlight and click to go into the dir or open something.
(DIR) Post #9tkb5Irl9lX7GR29b6 by kaniini@socially.whimsic.al
2020-04-06T00:50:17.104969Z
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@brad no
(DIR) Post #9tkbQVpm8YIPZ5DdZY by jeder@pleroma.jeder.pl
2020-04-06T00:02:58.484458Z
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@mewmew @kaniini @velartrill Windows developers in like late 90s/early 00s and then of course they had to copy it
(DIR) Post #9tl6I7wQBPnhj0oDqa by hellcp@mastodon.social
2020-04-06T06:34:08Z
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@kaniini In many applications GNOME does "selection mode", which is activated with a checkmark button in the headerbar OR shockingly enough shift + click on desktops! I know, shockingSomebody should take notes
(DIR) Post #9tl6I8Dn8phAasw5vE by kaniini@socially.whimsic.al
2020-04-06T06:39:59.289065Z
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@hellcp yes but even in GNOME 3 (which bluntly is a how not to in UX design) clicking on an item doesn't fire the activated signal until you actually activate it. semantic UX is not hard. apparently the real problem is that Qt does not provide sufficient capability for hinting widgets so that the semantics work as KDE actually wants them to, but they don't want to remove the single-click activation feature or change the default or fix Qt so it only comes into play for the right scenarios. this leads to apps not using the semantic signals and hooking clicked, doubleClicked and keyPressEvent as necessary, or doing what I did in audacious and overriding the QPlatformTheme selectively.