Post 9tk2JlPCLdM3R4pmHQ by boblmartens@fosstodon.org
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(DIR) Post #9tk1Y4dpWf3rC9wD3I by Gina@fosstodon.org
2020-04-05T18:12:01Z
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My reaction seeing yet another rant about #Jitsi in my work IT channel.
(DIR) Post #9tk266dmbCkTF28xv6 by Gina@fosstodon.org
2020-04-05T18:18:08Z
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Yes I could have told them specifically that #Jitsi doesn't work in Safari, but guess what I was busy with:
(DIR) Post #9tk2JlPCLdM3R4pmHQ by boblmartens@fosstodon.org
2020-04-05T18:20:38Z
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@Gina Oh I know ... we have one or two people who refuse to move off of IE11 ... 😐
(DIR) Post #9tk2MRprZ5JnbqaPtA by Gina@fosstodon.org
2020-04-05T18:21:10Z
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@boblmartens Wow that's a whole other level of stupid.
(DIR) Post #9tk2djeEakypmDOGau by boblmartens@fosstodon.org
2020-04-05T18:24:16Z
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@Gina I'll refuse to comment too specifically with that one. 🙂
(DIR) Post #9tk33O93A6NccE2KNE by Gina@fosstodon.org
2020-04-05T18:28:53Z
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@boblmartens I mean, even Edge is a lot better than IE11, wouldn't they prefer that?
(DIR) Post #9tk3F5223AY4oPKSae by FiXato@mastodon.social
2020-04-05T18:30:50Z
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@Gina you should blacklist your work-related hosts/apps outside of office hours. :)
(DIR) Post #9tk3K6LyZ0ICMK3HM0 by Gina@fosstodon.org
2020-04-05T18:31:57Z
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@FiXato I really should.
(DIR) Post #9tk3nqaFl9Ny8auicS by galaxis@mastodon.infra.de
2020-04-05T18:37:07Z
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@Gina When you're using Debian packages, there's a config file in /usr/share/jitsi-meet/interface_config.js which has parameters like OPTIMAL_BROWSERS and UNSUPPORTED_BROWSERS (see comment in the file).All browsers not listed in OPTIMAL_BROWSERS will get a warning popup as the join a meeting. All browsers listed in UNSUPPORTED_BROWSERS will see a landing page that directs them to download a supported browser.Warning: The file gets overwritten when the jitsi-meet deb is upgraded.#jitsi
(DIR) Post #9tk3qBtlU09Kp69qfA by galaxis@mastodon.infra.de
2020-04-05T18:37:34Z
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@Gina When you're using Debian packages, there's a config file in /usr/share/jitsi-meet/interface_config.js which has parameters like OPTIMAL_BROWSERS and UNSUPPORTED_BROWSERS (see comment in the file).All browsers not listed in OPTIMAL_BROWSERS will get a warning popup as they join a meeting. All browsers listed in UNSUPPORTED_BROWSERS will see a landing page that directs them to download a supported browser.Warning: The file gets overwritten when the jitsi-meet deb is upgraded.#jitsi
(DIR) Post #9tk3sFBYEWq1b2SLWC by Gina@fosstodon.org
2020-04-05T18:38:05Z
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@galaxis That's good to know, thanks for sharing. #sharingiscaring
(DIR) Post #9tk44lVZsnwXJrnITA by nvsr@best-friends.chat
2020-04-05T18:40:17Z
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@Gina@fosstodon.orgI voted for daydrinking. Joe!
(DIR) Post #9tk46flGDmbM4g2UIS by ndegruchy@fosstodon.org
2020-04-05T18:40:35Z
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@Gina It's too bad, too. Safari is an otherwise okayish default browser.They only support Chrome, officially, though.https://web-cdn.jitsi.net/meetjitsi_3962.622/static/recommendedBrowsers.htmlThey also have 8x8, if you want to run something on more systems.Honestly the whole open source video chat ecosystem is pretty anemic.
(DIR) Post #9tk4zvBaZfjjq9hNLM by FLOX_advocate@floss.social
2020-04-05T18:50:33Z
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@Gina safari doesn't work or is unsupported?
(DIR) Post #9tk5dWwy6NM0G1kNX6 by Gina@fosstodon.org
2020-04-05T18:57:51Z
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@FLOX_advocate I'm honestly not sure. According to the forums Safari is supported, but not well?
(DIR) Post #9tk5i8elqsjYMPQssK by Gina@fosstodon.org
2020-04-05T18:58:35Z
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@FLOX_advocate I'm honestly not sure. According to the forums Safari is supported, but not well?https://community.jitsi.org/t/is-someone-working-on-safari-compatibility/22668
(DIR) Post #9tk6EISIxHYu1Aw5HU by FLOX_advocate@floss.social
2020-04-05T19:04:29Z
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@Gina thanks for the info!I've been trying to use jitsi for some community events and for personal use, but have a limited selection of devices to test fromit won't work for our open meetings due to lack of moderation tools, but it's been working great for private events
(DIR) Post #9tk6uc5KMcJj3mMmlk by keverets@social.librem.one
2020-04-05T19:12:10Z
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@ndegruchy @Gina hah. Can't even see the list of recommended browsers as it redirects to a page that just says:"It looks like you're using a browser we don't fully support. We recommend to try with the latest version of Chrome or Chromium "So I guess the list is just those two.
(DIR) Post #9tk7IoHwdvgRrHo2gi by sunweaver@fosstodon.org
2020-04-05T19:16:26Z
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@Gina I have recently installed my own #Jitsi instance. With the DEB packages currently available from the stable repro branch, I really had difficulties with people who used Firefox. I upgraded to the package versions from the unstable repro and things work much better now.
(DIR) Post #9tk850oXNNAibe2GKO by Matter@fosstodon.org
2020-04-05T19:25:11Z
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@Gina It's just terrible, Jitsi only works properly with Chrome and somehow we're supposed to know that. It tends to just freeze for no reason and then you refresh, it works for a while but breaks for someone else who then refreshes and it breaks for you etc etcI haven't been able to figure out how to get it to work reliably. Tried multiple instances, tried using the android app, etc etc. Argh
(DIR) Post #9tk9390U2pq9OGIRWa by sunweaver@fosstodon.org
2020-04-05T19:36:03Z
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@Matter I got it stabilized by using the Jitsi DEBs from their unstable repo branch.
(DIR) Post #9tkHAMztE5rKRPyWFE by sexybiggetje@mastodon.social
2020-04-05T21:07:01Z
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@GinaSafari is a bag of hurt, the new internet explorer. But that shouldn't be a problem for end users. Have you tried the latest breeding edge version? A lot should have improved
(DIR) Post #9tkJDal4iev7thi4HY by boblmartens@fosstodon.org
2020-04-05T21:30:01Z
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@Gina You’d think ... but no. Too different.
(DIR) Post #9tkivIGNLJXK8DHlhI by GigaByte4711@whitespashe.uk
2020-04-05T18:51:57Z
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@GinaI tried to host a larger-scale call, but I think my internet connection just can't handle it. :(Queue loads of people badmouthing it. I think the exact words were:"Selfhosted crap."Made me sad.
(DIR) Post #9tll05m9ampXutWdXs by Gina@fosstodon.org
2020-04-06T14:16:02Z
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And another one :(
(DIR) Post #9tllDx2qqjactQwbKa by ndegruchy@fosstodon.org
2020-04-06T14:18:30Z
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@Gina I mean, you can try 8x8 video, which is built on Jitsihttps://download.8x8.vc/Obviously not as open source.
(DIR) Post #9tlnAGkhptg0lRpRku by manuelcaeiro@mastodon.social
2020-04-06T14:40:13Z
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@Gina Try https://jami.net/It will probably also not work for all the people, depending on the OS they are using... 😀
(DIR) Post #9tlnEczx4IIiuv2R0K by phel@toot.cafe
2020-04-06T14:40:41Z
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@Gina Or maybe Nextcloud Talk (the enterprise backend, that is) would be an option? Also, indico is a cool open source platform built by and used at CERN. They have videoconferencing capabilities too :)https://getindico.io/
(DIR) Post #9tlnjXP1vEoaXXVW6K by grin@mastodon.grin.hu
2020-04-06T14:46:35Z
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@Gina #BigBlueButton was stable with 19 kids in a class, half of them having video and extreme loudness setting. #Free, #self-hosted.
(DIR) Post #9tlofRcdZWoZPLU4jA by Gina@fosstodon.org
2020-04-06T14:57:08Z
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@manuelcaeiro well that's not very helpful then is it 😅
(DIR) Post #9tloiDFBUEFngPpm3E by Gina@fosstodon.org
2020-04-06T14:57:38Z
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@phel Talk is still painfully unstable, I'll check out the other suggestion.
(DIR) Post #9tlon71u1CGFrFxSYS by Gina@fosstodon.org
2020-04-06T14:58:26Z
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We're now going to try #riotim with Matrix, and #bigbluebutton. In the mean time they can use Zoom and Skype.
(DIR) Post #9tloz82i4sZaTV47kG by ashwinvis@mastodon.acc.sunet.se
2020-04-06T15:00:36Z
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@Gina This thread was interesting:https://forum.privacytools.io/t/zoom-vs-jitsi-or-the-so-called-alternatives/3118
(DIR) Post #9tlpU9I7UAVpKA45FA by subins2000@aana.site
2020-04-06T15:06:14Z
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@Gina Our college has been using BigBlueButton for doing online classes and it worked perfectly.
(DIR) Post #9tlqPAhAwBzQBXyVZw by craigmaloney@octodon.social
2020-04-06T15:16:33Z
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@Gina Argh., That's frustrating. One thing that I've noticed with Jitsi is it's really dependent on the CPU capabilities of the machine. If you're on a Windows Surface Atom processor machine and start up another application you're going to have a bad time of it. Also I wish Jtisi was better about sharing their secrets for how they get meet.jit.si to be so smooth. I tried with my own Linode instance and it was similar to the complaints raised in that email.
(DIR) Post #9tlqPxaT9ujxowDLQe by kravietz@social.privacytools.io
2020-04-06T15:16:50Z
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@GinaDo share your experience!
(DIR) Post #9tlqoa67d4mYD0lAcy by vilbi@bonn.social
2020-04-06T15:21:07Z
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@Gina you miss some simple points:- complaining about a central service can be compared and indicate a service problem- complaining about performance of a decentral service has to be differed-- the service software (client support etc)-- the server power running the software-- the exchange between instances when applicable...So talking about bad performance of jitsi without stating the instance/server is useless...
(DIR) Post #9tlrEOZt5BHe0ezX9s by EclecticEclipse@fosstodon.org
2020-04-06T15:25:49Z
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@Gina me last night after one of my friends decided to abandon linux, despite my offers to provide remote assistance and education.
(DIR) Post #9tlrj2YV0l7UgYxFmS by castrillo@mastodon.social
2020-04-06T15:31:21Z
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@Gina more options here https://opensource.com/alternatives/skype
(DIR) Post #9tlskvJD1bRikBGTNA by mplammers@fosstodon.org
2020-04-06T15:43:00Z
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@ndegruchy @Gina Nathan, I have to say that sounds like the worst idea I've read in a while. 8x8 bought Jitsi, hoping to make money with it in the future by expanding its user base (see their IPO explaining this strat). If they screw the open version up and offer a closed fork that does work, I can't imagine a more scummy way of killing foss with money.https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1023731/000102373103000051/december232003-424b3.pdf
(DIR) Post #9tlt08PAcFWphkJ35M by ndegruchy@fosstodon.org
2020-04-06T15:45:46Z
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@mplammers 😞 This is why we can't have nice things...@Gina
(DIR) Post #9tltCvlwtXw6I23wBc by vinnl@mastodon.social
2020-04-06T15:47:53Z
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@Gina As far as I know Riot also uses Jitsi? (/cc @matrix)
(DIR) Post #9tlufOcJLRzpoPgwO8 by manuelcaeiro@mastodon.social
2020-04-06T16:04:21Z
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@Gina You will never know if you don't try it. 😎
(DIR) Post #9tlxlF4w1M6DpUYkIy by ij@nerdculture.de
2020-04-06T16:38:57Z
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@Gina - otherwise I would recommend https://www.webex.com (buh!) and/or https://www.bluejeans.com/ - both will cost you something and I know that your org is short on money. For Webex that would be 13.- EUR per named user/host per month. If you don't need every user to schedule their own meeting but handle this through some assistants, then it might be a cheap solution with 1-3 named hosts. I would also prefer a FOSS solution over Webex, but...
(DIR) Post #9tm2iQTZgl0y51YqJs by jordan31@fosstodon.org
2020-04-06T17:34:33Z
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@Gina sorry to hear the jitsi thing didn't work out
(DIR) Post #9tm5B1yY3kLqOpofc8 by peroty@fosstodon.org
2020-04-06T18:02:02Z
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@Gina I know you're trying to go all open source but Zoom did just recently lift their 40 min limit for free accounts.(I support Zoom/Webex for a living so it's a world I have to deal with.)Good luck!
(DIR) Post #9tm8qtgzXuuyjcG8hs by michaelh@fosstodon.org
2020-04-06T18:43:22Z
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@mplammersThe prospectus you linked to is from 2003 and predates the aquisition of Jitsi. Could you link to the one where they state their intentions for Jitsi?@ndegruchy @Gina
(DIR) Post #9tmABxZyOFLMpCaFlY by mplammers@fosstodon.org
2020-04-06T18:58:23Z
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@michaelh @ndegruchy @Gina They don't launch new shares each time they buy something. Nor do they change strategies when they do. The IPO is a good way to get an idea what kind of strategy 8x8 aims for.
(DIR) Post #9tmAHAbZO7XefgoabA by mplammers@fosstodon.org
2020-04-06T18:59:20Z
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@michaelh https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Initial_public_offering
(DIR) Post #9tmAT3wdyZJNUTLKGe by mplammers@fosstodon.org
2020-04-06T19:01:29Z
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@michaelh @ndegruchy @Gina Another fun way to answer your question is in this file, from the github jitsi-meet project:https://github.com/jitsi/jitsi-meet/blob/master/analytics-ga.js
(DIR) Post #9tmBABlml7TCD8pPaS by nono@pleroma.oook.fr
2020-04-06T16:59:19.853609Z
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@Gina We've been using BigBlueButton at $WORK without any major issues that could be traced to the software itself. Shitty links on the end-user side are still a problem, but no software or service can help with that.Plus the software has a built-in telephone bridge, which we have been using successfully.
(DIR) Post #9tmBACN0WjFC4aF8bY by Gina@fosstodon.org
2020-04-06T19:09:10Z
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@nono as in, a VoIP sip bridge?
(DIR) Post #9tnCwCQ7wAOJF17AXY by FLOX_advocate@floss.social
2020-04-07T07:03:45Z
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@Gina according to a friend Safari just got webrtc support this versionhis testing still couldn't get video working, but audio didIs there a mumble connector for jitsi? :)I've asked for a URL on the new support, but haven't yet gotten a response
(DIR) Post #9tnG9Q6if0D1Jl25B2 by Gina@fosstodon.org
2020-04-07T07:39:48Z
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@FLOX_advocate Not a helpdesk here.
(DIR) Post #9tnHAc1XwM4uWIkH4K by FLOX_advocate@floss.social
2020-04-07T07:51:13Z
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@Gina sorry, wasn't asking for information. Just passing on information in case it's useful to youIf it's noise, please ignore!
(DIR) Post #9tnHsZAzt9mkQj7ncm by Gina@fosstodon.org
2020-04-07T07:59:10Z
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@FLOX_advocate No worries, it's not you. I just gained access on the wrong side of the rest slab ,sorry.
(DIR) Post #9tnHvRL5U3cYzZDN44 by Gina@fosstodon.org
2020-04-07T07:59:44Z
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@FLOX_advocate No worries, it's not you. I just gained consciousness on the wrong side of the rest slab, sorry.
(DIR) Post #9tnIAJJBcjw8QfPs6i by FLOX_advocate@floss.social
2020-04-07T08:02:21Z
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@Gina no worries. You seem to have so much going on I wanted to make sure you know I'm not asking for some of your time!Have a great day!Well past time for me to hit the rest slab.
(DIR) Post #9tnKjiW067UaeMQ9gW by julian@fosstodon.org
2020-04-07T08:30:43Z
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@Gina have you tried deploying the Jitsi Meet desktop app to users in trouble? That should prevent any browser caused issues. https://github.com/jitsi/jitsi-meet-electron
(DIR) Post #9tnKuvdTejQiWoGRKS by Gina@fosstodon.org
2020-04-07T08:32:28Z
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@julian haha have you met my users.
(DIR) Post #9tnRRUKGoUwh6rBmHg by Gina@fosstodon.org
2020-04-07T09:46:10Z
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@vinnl @matrix apparently it does. Matrix/Riot is off the list. We're deploying the latest version of Jitsi, hoping for improvements, and BigBlueButton.
(DIR) Post #9tnRgiOqllW96QalU0 by vinnl@mastodon.social
2020-04-07T09:48:50Z
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@Gina Btw, if the problem lies with people using Firefox, hopefully in 1-3 weeks things should get better: https://github.com/jitsi/jitsi-meet/issues/4758#issuecomment-609977084(Too little too late, but good to know, I guess.)
(DIR) Post #9tnRrlv81JLtCtxiOe by Gina@fosstodon.org
2020-04-07T09:50:58Z
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@vinnl the problem lies with people.
(DIR) Post #9tnRxEu7gcyYXx6COW by vinnl@mastodon.social
2020-04-07T09:51:56Z
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@Gina It always does :)
(DIR) Post #9tnlrvr74yph6VRD96 by malte@anticapitalist.party
2020-04-07T13:35:12Z
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@Gina riot.im just puts in a jitsi-meet for video chat with more than 2 people. i was a bit disappointed finding that out 😒
(DIR) Post #9tqGBUXRjucn77OxGa by Gina@fosstodon.org
2020-04-08T18:24:19Z
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63% of 153 people have guessed right. 👌
(DIR) Post #9tqGHICIXJc6ZmH9Hc by dada@diaspodon.fr
2020-04-08T18:25:26Z
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@Gina Yeah 💪
(DIR) Post #9tqGaSq5C9KJ5C1hEO by obi@qoto.org
2020-04-08T18:28:48Z
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@Gina 60% of the time, it works every time....
(DIR) Post #9tqGvg0VQo0w0K15Xs by cavaliertusky@fosstodon.org
2020-04-08T18:32:37Z
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@Gina You got more people to vote in your poll than most American cities could.
(DIR) Post #9tqLT2cwkdgNX2A6IS by grin@mastodon.grin.hu
2020-04-08T19:23:27Z
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@Gina funny thing is that just left the stream where a jitsi dev told us that they are happily use 100 audiovideo participants, and limited to 75 just due to pure aesthetic reasons. Same time I cannot hold more than 15 people without having troubles. Well, I'm sure it's the cosmic rays.
(DIR) Post #9tqLWpDuWoHz7RFvOq by Gina@fosstodon.org
2020-04-08T19:24:12Z
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@grin we deployed the newest version of #Jitsu today, hopefully that will give better results.
(DIR) Post #9tqLZANqpFOfKG1PWa by Gina@fosstodon.org
2020-04-08T19:24:26Z
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@grin we deployed the newest version of #Jitsi today, hopefully that will give better results.
(DIR) Post #9tqTTneygSXB2Cz6w4 by jamesmullarkey@w3c.social
2020-04-08T20:53:19Z
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@Matter @Gina What about chromium browsers like Brave or Vivaldi or is that crazy thinking that it might work with those. I am due to use it tomorrow but thought I might use the phone app.
(DIR) Post #9tqYIKewfNERg0Jw4u by Matter@fosstodon.org
2020-04-08T21:47:19Z
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@jamesmullarkey @Gina Brave or Vivaldi should work as well as Chrome
(DIR) Post #9trHYmID7dRODybYX2 by jamesmullarkey@w3c.social
2020-04-09T06:14:29Z
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@Matter @Gina Thanks a lot :)
(DIR) Post #9trHpXxxdpC0iL84MC by geekgonecrazy@fosstodon.org
2020-04-09T06:17:28Z
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@Gina I don’t know if still using rocket.chat but we actually have big blue button integration also. Effort undergoing by our design team to build an even deeper integration. Call recording, etc
(DIR) Post #9trL2SmiW5FeGtija4 by Gina@fosstodon.org
2020-04-09T06:53:24Z
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@geekgonecrazy Ooh that's good to know, thanks! I've actually never had any complaints about Rocketchat's Jitsi integration either, works well :)
(DIR) Post #9trLXVRKh8wnU1WL0S by geekgonecrazy@fosstodon.org
2020-04-09T06:59:02Z
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@Gina I mean it’s basically an iframe so thankfully little moving parts 😁. We’ve had a few installs start using big blue button and I think it’s the difference between jitsi’s adaptive simulcast and actual video processing in big blue button. I love jitsi’s concept of browsers sending a few streams up and a server getting to be dumb and just pipe the right resolution streams to users.. But I think users, browsers, nats and bandwidth are a lot of battles for a piece of software to face.
(DIR) Post #9trLsiXrAIW2D3gcF6 by Gina@fosstodon.org
2020-04-09T07:02:52Z
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@geekgonecrazy That also explains why BigBlueButton requires a huge amount of resources compared to Jitsi. I mean 16G and 8 cores vs 4G and 2 cores.
(DIR) Post #9trQaJAvFbOc5J04zQ by geekgonecrazy@fosstodon.org
2020-04-09T07:55:33Z
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@Gina exactly :( it’s a trade off. Depending on users the trade off might be worth it. I hope Jitsi being acquired by 8x8 a video focused company now instead of by atlassian that just wanted to the hands/experience to help them integrate in their product... means we the consumers will benefit. I think we will just going to take some time :)
(DIR) Post #9uE7yCrhxKp5SHJqlM by grin@mastodon.grin.hu
2020-04-20T06:45:15Z
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@Gina How di it go? My testing species wanted to stick to BBB....
(DIR) Post #9uE8BDi285abpy01Ds by Gina@fosstodon.org
2020-04-20T06:47:40Z
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@grin better than before, but still not great. Anything above 20 participants is doom and gloom.
(DIR) Post #9uE9jGSKWWNw9jS40W by grin@mastodon.grin.hu
2020-04-20T07:04:59Z
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@Gina Any Firefoxen at the participants?