Post 9tetUMduLrfALJ5oS8 by selea@social.linux.pizza
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(DIR) Post #9tbXLwUDPQrfAIdv2u by sir@cmpwn.com
2020-04-01T15:55:19Z
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Man, American parenting sucks. Casual child abuse has become normalized here. Just because you aren't hitting your kid doesn't mean you aren't a shitty parent.
(DIR) Post #9tbXWtV4qs0J5bGh9s by sim@shitposter.club
2020-04-01T15:58:04.785012Z
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@sir What sort of things were you thinking about? I know neglect and emotional abuse or verbal threats are still a thing.
(DIR) Post #9tbXgrBcJFdsoCuscq by sir@cmpwn.com
2020-04-01T15:58:31Z
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@sim treating children like property instead of like people
(DIR) Post #9tbXnhh9zoo7Oow3eq by kick@blob.cat
2020-04-01T16:01:07.112087Z
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@sir I wish I could hit Repeat on this like a dozen times.
(DIR) Post #9tbXnlXjgne5KkYaWW by sim@shitposter.club
2020-04-01T16:01:08.065379Z
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@sir That's one I don't think about as often I have to say. Another problem though is treating little kids like they are adults, which enables abusing them even though they are still developing so they don't have the same abilities as adults do.
(DIR) Post #9tbXoglWwBY2o2RuRE by selea@social.linux.pizza
2020-04-01T16:01:07Z
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@sir"American patenting"? Not reallyBut parenting influenced by religion, it exists everywhere
(DIR) Post #9tbY3IGgIjCXAiz48e by sir@cmpwn.com
2020-04-01T16:01:28Z
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@selea I am American so I can only speak to the American perspective
(DIR) Post #9tbYG8Sw3byMXEq5ke by unicorn@social.tchncs.de
2020-04-01T16:05:52Z
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@selea @sir Don't need religion for that, child abuse is disgustingly common even in less religious countries and communities. Germany for instance has child abuse issues as far as I am aware, and we are a mostly secular country. And I am not talking "the baaad muslims/immigrants in Germany abusing their kids", it's an issue among natives and christian/non-religious people just the same.
(DIR) Post #9tbYZc9tsqWE81DwnI by selea@social.linux.pizza
2020-04-01T16:09:36Z
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@unicorn I was not talking about islam specifically, but religion as a whole.And yes, I am fully aware that Christianity and the culture it brings with it promotes abuse "in the name of love".Infact, I would go so far and claim that more children has been abused in the name of jesus than it muslim ones.@sir
(DIR) Post #9tbYfznwsiFvCc00Ya by wolf480pl@mstdn.io
2020-04-01T16:10:55Z
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@sir nobody teaches parenting...
(DIR) Post #9tbYo2VmhVDtumL31U by sir@cmpwn.com
2020-04-01T16:11:23Z
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@wolf480pl this is not true. Unfortunately, parents teach parenting to their children.
(DIR) Post #9tbe1FANSfvGhLRPGa by unicorn@social.tchncs.de
2020-04-01T17:10:24Z
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@selea @sir Sorry, I am just too used to the whole "those foreigners abusing their children" bullshit story, had to say it đŸ˜…Indeed child abuse seems prevalent in christian communities too. My point was more that it doesn't matter who is doing it, because it's not any one religion, it's also not just religious people overall, it's widespread beyond that. Every group likes to point fingers at the others, but every group is guilty of this as far as I can see.
(DIR) Post #9tbgULcajyTJ1Zdy40 by selea@social.linux.pizza
2020-04-01T17:38:14Z
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@unicorn My point is, that you are not getting the "approval of abuse" from the secular society in the same degree you get from the religious ones. That is my experience atleast.Christianity has been overlooked far to long, society needs to step in and stop it.@sir
(DIR) Post #9tbibW5qP9lNRBs9fE by jordan31@fosstodon.org
2020-04-01T18:02:08Z
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@selea @unicorn @sir and what abuse are you referring to when you speak of Christianity? Maybe an example.
(DIR) Post #9tbqs0UFy6qTy7fJ3I by selea@social.linux.pizza
2020-04-01T19:34:45Z
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@jordan31 The abuse can take many different forms, but apart from physical abuse in some cases - Christianity is still alive thanks to the emotional and psychological abuse."If you do not do that - you will be tortured forever""Obey, or get punished""God loves you, and do not force him to send you to hell"The list goes on.@unicorn @sir
(DIR) Post #9tbrOsuHAmbQ0zVrYO by jordan31@fosstodon.org
2020-04-01T19:40:43Z
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@selea @unicorn @sir I don't see that as abuse. You break a law you get a fine or go to jail.What I see as abuse is beating your kids out of anger and verbal abuse is a real things such as constantly degrading them.
(DIR) Post #9tbs5EH47RYqRpMd16 by selea@social.linux.pizza
2020-04-01T19:48:18Z
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@jordan31You are not, probably because you are in the middle of it.No one should be threated with death only because they are not "following jesus", loving someone of the same sex, arguing with their parents or breaking the shabbat.@unicorn
(DIR) Post #9tbsMOoWBcWw3hCMsa by jordan31@fosstodon.org
2020-04-01T19:51:29Z
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@selea @unicorn Um, no one threatens with death.
(DIR) Post #9tbsf760HllibqIiBM by selea@social.linux.pizza
2020-04-01T19:54:49Z
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@jordan31The god of the bible does.End of story, it is what the whole book is about.@unicorn
(DIR) Post #9tbsohTcOLbQ35uxSS by jordan31@fosstodon.org
2020-04-01T19:56:35Z
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@selea @unicorn No, God speaks of Heaven and Hell. You go to either place depending on if you're saved. He doesn't threaten with death.
(DIR) Post #9tbsz5Q0ERMdCNBAES by selea@social.linux.pizza
2020-04-01T19:58:26Z
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@jordan31And you said it yourself.God created hell, and he decides who goes there. Prove wrong./ Finally free@unicorn
(DIR) Post #9tbtBDnOuWuCehuT6e by jordan31@fosstodon.org
2020-04-01T20:00:39Z
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@selea @unicorn Are you thinking of the second death?Yes, He created both, but God doesn't kill you then send you to one or the other depending on your actions.It's only when you die of causes on Earth when you are sentenced to either.
(DIR) Post #9tbtd2YqH7Dzv5MhP6 by selea@social.linux.pizza
2020-04-01T20:05:40Z
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@jordan31So you are saying what I already said, I dont get your point.God sounds like a violent sadist that sends his creation to eternal punishment - and all the clues he left behind was only a book that is interpreted in a billion different ways.Poor planning.
(DIR) Post #9tbu6sCpL6quUXIEvw by jordan31@fosstodon.org
2020-04-01T20:11:04Z
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@selea No, you were speaking of threatening children with death because of their actions or deeds. God gives you your entire life to decide your fate, if you want to follow him or live a life of you own. Each one comes with different pros and cons.I wouldn't say violent but just. Though there have been times he has ordered violence.
(DIR) Post #9tbv7mFr3EaOHIhj6m by jordan31@fosstodon.org
2020-04-01T20:22:26Z
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@selea Eh, I'd also say the Book is enough. Don't forget the Bible is also a history book, not just a "way to get into Heaven" book.
(DIR) Post #9tbvQn28Nd9UCALuuO by unicorn@social.tchncs.de
2020-04-01T20:25:53Z
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@jordan31 @selea I really think the bible doesnt matter here, the point is that people interpret things in dumb ways and there is factual child abuse happening with all kinds of justifications, some of them bible-related, some of them not. So let's stop arguing bible interpretations, it's a highly personal thing and in my view unrelated to the actual issue.
(DIR) Post #9tbvYiXIz6pUZ1iFA8 by jordan31@fosstodon.org
2020-04-01T20:27:18Z
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@unicorn @selea He was arguing about abuse sustaining the Christianity religion.
(DIR) Post #9tbw14qDeGX1qm5AiO by tho@mstdn.io
2020-04-01T20:31:21Z
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@sir having children is wrong
(DIR) Post #9tbw6L9IRbUlsLW0i8 by selea@social.linux.pizza
2020-04-01T20:33:22Z
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@jordan31 It is not a history book. It contradicts the known history in the middle east, especially the exodus.
(DIR) Post #9tbwFvTik2mF9hdi0u by unicorn@social.tchncs.de
2020-04-01T20:35:07Z
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@jordan31 @selea Wasn't taking a side, I just think this argument is going nowhere and misses the point of the original discussion. Our views of God, spirituality, religion etc are very subjective and personal. There is no point or value in blanket statement interpretations of God or the bible or any other book or faith, what matters is what people make of it. That is the issue.
(DIR) Post #9teWxNDazbgda1eJ2e by ssokolow@qoto.org
2020-04-03T02:35:34Z
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@selea @jordan31 I'm always reminded of this quote when this topic comes up:And why does this same God tell me how to raise my children when he had to drown his? -- Robert Green Ingersoll, Some Mistakes of Moses (1879), Section XVIII, "Dampness".
(DIR) Post #9tesadYoGTgUaz8SKe by scomulko@mastodon.xyz
2020-04-03T06:37:06Z
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@sir *mothers.Fathers that abuse, are enabled by the mother or some female relative. Women can toss abusive men out of the family unit at any time.
(DIR) Post #9tetUMduLrfALJ5oS8 by selea@social.linux.pizza
2020-04-03T06:48:07Z
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@ssokolowThat is a good quote! That one, is something I will remember!
(DIR) Post #9tewSdlk0NSok5ctLk by ssokolow@qoto.org
2020-04-03T07:21:23Z
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@selea Here is another one I keep remembering:Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion. -- Steven Weinberg, Freethought Today, April, 2000
(DIR) Post #9tf5eLsnEMoqKcaHGS by Conan_Kudo@fosstodon.org
2020-04-03T09:03:22Z
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@sir That's definitely not an American-only thing. It's pretty common among Asian parents. Fortunately not so with mine, but many, many, many others...