Post 9tJWdCW52FQpcjM2Fs by sim@shitposter.club
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(DIR) Post #9tJRnTgrXRMa0qTkau by sim@shitposter.club
2020-03-23T22:29:03.019207Z
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So, do women have a duty to have children? Thoughts anyone?
(DIR) Post #9tJRpqGiZ0nKcKNRke by overflow@pl.smuglo.li
2020-03-23T22:29:28.827923Z
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@sim yes
(DIR) Post #9tJRsSYjAhSTx637JY by sim@shitposter.club
2020-03-23T22:29:57.308799Z
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@overflow What would be your reasoning?
(DIR) Post #9tJRstiaCANuBTrrvM by orekix@anime.website
2020-03-23T22:30:00.434659Z
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@sim not really, but it probably makes them happier than most things
(DIR) Post #9tJRtz85Yrb5FzJgTw by daughter@husk.site
2020-03-23T22:30:13.506684Z
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@sim hell no.
(DIR) Post #9tJRwMbFGpGScz5Xpw by overflow@pl.smuglo.li
2020-03-23T22:30:39.551830Z
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@sim they’re nature’s copiers
(DIR) Post #9tJRwiQM7zcsJaA9uy by shampoobottle@gleasonator.com
2020-03-23T22:30:42Z
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@sim No one should expect their opinion to be taken seriously unless they have an investment in the future.
(DIR) Post #9tJS7NzeQfc68SlBCa by shampoobottle@gleasonator.com
2020-03-23T22:32:38Z
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@sim I guess, no, it's not a duty, but the ones who don't are the equivalent of dudes who still do drugs and act like teenagers in their 40's. They're a bad joke, and they typically have poor outcomes once their youth is gone.
(DIR) Post #9tJSCPQgW91q2Mnf16 by sim@shitposter.club
2020-03-23T22:33:33.480602Z
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@orekix I think it is trickier than this because not every woman will be happier although it probably does make them happier than most things out there. I think they need a certain mindset which we've lost along the way or never got.
(DIR) Post #9tJSGa2szMsw7YeoNc by sim@shitposter.club
2020-03-23T22:34:18.842373Z
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@daughter What would be your reasoning?
(DIR) Post #9tJSPLvaqaHqwTQfXU by sim@shitposter.club
2020-03-23T22:35:53.945753Z
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@overflow What about the women who can't have children?
(DIR) Post #9tJSUUQmf0BclIT4Iy by phildobangnz@pl.smuglo.li
2020-03-23T22:36:48.829121Z
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@sim no; I mean the vast majority will try to do it by hook or crook at some point so it almost doesn't matter what their 'duty' might be, as a large majority will choose it freely either way
(DIR) Post #9tJSWAreNbTKejpzcW by sim@shitposter.club
2020-03-23T22:37:07.947081Z
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@shampoobottle But don't they have an investment in their own future?
(DIR) Post #9tJSYq9PqeitHcQ0ie by daughter@husk.site
2020-03-23T22:37:36.195659Z
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@sim just voluntaryism at core, not to mention women unfit to be mothers abundantly visible. if you've taken it upon yourself then i understand it as a personal thing, but i don't think there's any inherent duty.
(DIR) Post #9tJSj6RU8F4ohplQBM by shampoobottle@gleasonator.com
2020-03-23T22:39:25Z
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@sim When I say the future, I mean the indefinite future, as in the continued healthy existence of the human race. Not the Boomer definition.Family is really the only way to ensure this, relatively speaking.
(DIR) Post #9tJSjVsHZkMnaBUfvE by ihavebigtits@kawen.space
2020-03-23T22:39:31.468350Z
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@sim No
(DIR) Post #9tJSpdDfBFfG6FPbMm by sim@shitposter.club
2020-03-23T22:40:38.931379Z
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@shampoobottle Funny you should say that, because there are women who are mothers who become like that in their middle age once their kids are older. Maybe they never grew out of that lifestyle... like the party lifestyle. Just want to remain young forever.
(DIR) Post #9tJSrfKmHyDrEni3wu by shampoobottle@gleasonator.com
2020-03-23T22:40:56Z
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@sim Have you seen those women? They're disasters. @overflow
(DIR) Post #9tJSxdTm69GbDqlTLE by orekix@anime.website
2020-03-23T22:42:05.002869Z
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@sim > I think they need a certain mindset which we've lost along the way or never got.It's definitely been eroded, for both men and women, our societies have turned hostile to starting a family, why start one when it's such a burden and requires people to go so much into debt? modern society discourages people from starting a family, people first think of careers and that has changed the age at which most people even begin to consider having one, I do think that this is a major contributor to the nihilism epidemic everywhere.
(DIR) Post #9tJT3MGF1oNNYgAB28 by shampoobottle@gleasonator.com
2020-03-23T22:43:06Z
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@sim Yeah, there's no sure, flat measure to tell who is and isn't reliable. But I can say for sure that women without children tend not to be reliable for... Well, anything. They're typically just selfish forever.
(DIR) Post #9tJTKm1iU8TUONfpKq by shampoobottle@gleasonator.com
2020-03-23T22:46:10Z
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@sim An analogy: People with high intelligence don't always become wealthy, but people with low intelligence practically never accumulate wealth.
(DIR) Post #9tJUCv2rAf3c031dgG by sim@shitposter.club
2020-03-23T22:56:03.704748Z
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@phildobangnz Interesting take. But what do you think of how we're having less children than previously?
(DIR) Post #9tJUTf0y1cJ7Cm7mqW by sim@shitposter.club
2020-03-23T22:59:05.281901Z
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@daughter I think I'd be inclined to agree with this reasoning. It does seem to be a complex issue. I suppose there is also the idea that we need to feed an aging population... will immigration really solve this? What if they add to the system and their children have fewer children too?
(DIR) Post #9tJUbCJuatwcWla0i8 by sim@shitposter.club
2020-03-23T23:00:26.982868Z
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@shampoobottle Boomer definition... haha. Do you think there was a shift when it came to that generation and family matters?
(DIR) Post #9tJUdMo0a3dhcugwE4 by sim@shitposter.club
2020-03-23T23:00:50.516717Z
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@ihavebigtits What is your reasoning behind saying no?
(DIR) Post #9tJUkjoVR4Zx0nRHwu by daughter@husk.site
2020-03-23T23:02:09.753520Z
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@sim if there is an inherent ponzi scheme to humanity, then perpetuating it also inherently makes the eventual collapse more cruel.
(DIR) Post #9tJUnHOPYnaPjcRgDA by overflow@pl.smuglo.li
2020-03-23T23:02:37.311521Z
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@sim they’re broken copiers and should be thrown away
(DIR) Post #9tJUpprGOEXvCr9x7Q by daughter@husk.site
2020-03-23T23:03:05.620305Z
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@sim not really in the immigration scope, but i don't speculate much there.
(DIR) Post #9tJUpxZTiF4b80trVY by shampoobottle@gleasonator.com
2020-03-23T23:03:05Z
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@sim I mean, it's just the popular (mostly true) meme that the Boomer's concern begins at 1945 and ends at their retirement fund. I think it probably began a couple generations prior to them though.
(DIR) Post #9tJUux8wjO2xFUs3Bw by sim@shitposter.club
2020-03-23T23:04:01.209503Z
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@shampoobottle @overflow I don't think I personally know one, no. But I can imagine it could lead to mental health issues, especially if they wanted children but couldn't have them. But nature can be cruel sometimes.
(DIR) Post #9tJV4NHeuW1CvdRFqq by shampoobottle@gleasonator.com
2020-03-23T23:05:40Z
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@sim Alcoholics, even if they get married it's usually short lived. They surround themselves with other unstable women for their whole lives and die alone. It's sad. @overflow
(DIR) Post #9tJVD8NngIZXJvUKJM by sim@shitposter.club
2020-03-23T23:07:18.370760Z
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@orekix You make a good point. When I think about starting a family and how much debt it would put me in when I didn't want to be put in debt... it is crushing. Hard to know what to do with that. The system we have in place now discourages having a family, and then they wonder why we're having so few children and rather than fixing their mistakes... they turn to immigration and globalism to solve their woes. Or the welfare state.
(DIR) Post #9tJVO3zoKeEqtrTk36 by sim@shitposter.club
2020-03-23T23:09:16.898160Z
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@shampoobottle Do you think the systems in the west encourage starting a family?
(DIR) Post #9tJVYDGYikNOXx9Uyu by shampoobottle@gleasonator.com
2020-03-23T23:11:00Z
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@sim No, it's difficult and counterproductive, and the local community as a concept has continually broken down over time, so you'll receive little to no useful help.
(DIR) Post #9tJVZgfAuP8a0eMwU4 by ihavebigtits@kawen.space
2020-03-23T23:11:21.296330Z
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@sim 1. While I'm generally somebody who believes in peoples right to be free individuals, it makes sense that within a society people would have to contribute to it within their ability (because in return they have a community, protection, opportunities, etc.) Personally though i consider the autonomy of somebodies body to be a precious thing that goes beyond somebody contributing to society by working or producing something. A womans bodily autonomy is especially important because a lack of it creates a massive sacrifice for them. It takes tons of time and effort and resources to raise children, and many women don't want to. 2. Lots of people simply aren't fit to raise children. This issue is exemplified in a less communal modern society where people are raised in individual segregated families. People will often suffer from mental health issues that they can't control or won't have enough money to raise children, which means that the children they have will often suffer. Not that I think anybody shouldn't be allowed to have children, that'd be lame~3. There's already billions of people on earth, if we continue to have high birth rates eventually overpopulation will cause us to suffer. Luckily birth rates tend to curb in wealthier societies so we'll probably stabilise at a point that's relatively sustainable.I think it would be more fuzzy in a less modern society where death rates are higher and having children is more important for survival. Women are still pretty likely to want children anyway and actual population growth shouldn't be a tangible thing that should be aimed for, even in societies before ours. Having more people isn't necessarily better.I'm also a lesbian who doesn't want children so the idea that women have a duty to have them is like an existential threat to who I am. There's been hypothesizing that homosexual animals in nature tend to raise abandoned children and contribute to raising children communally, which makes a lot more sense for people who don't want children than stealing their autonomy imo.
(DIR) Post #9tJW18y9m7cTcOL8Mq by sim@shitposter.club
2020-03-23T23:16:20.602770Z
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@daughter Yeah, I do have to wonder how much longer all of this will last for. The collapse will be cruel for whoever it lands on, bad enough we've already gone through economic problems.
(DIR) Post #9tJWCfXH2BxLo4GGES by sim@shitposter.club
2020-03-23T23:18:25.614820Z
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@overflow How mean. I suppose they could adopt the children who don't have parents or who were abused, if they wanted children.
(DIR) Post #9tJWJQ54tRMftxI9xI by sim@shitposter.club
2020-03-23T23:19:38.822762Z
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@shampoobottle It would be interesting to figure out where it stemmed from, and to trace it backwards. Policies have made things harder to have children.
(DIR) Post #9tJWTTCO9iO8T2VILQ by shampoobottle@gleasonator.com
2020-03-23T23:21:27Z
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@sim A combination of the Industrial Revolution and Women's Liberation, probably.
(DIR) Post #9tJWVTWXuyBu3St8ym by sim@shitposter.club
2020-03-23T23:21:49.555891Z
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@shampoobottle @overflow Yeah. It's sad what a group of unstable women will do to each other and likewise for men, or just any group of people gathered around their instability. Some marriages end due to this influence.
(DIR) Post #9tJWdCW52FQpcjM2Fs by sim@shitposter.club
2020-03-23T23:23:13.344054Z
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@shampoobottle I agree... it is sad to see how this has come about. Hard to get the help you really need. Asking the state can also put you at risk from losing children.
(DIR) Post #9tJXMgbvzXi1zVmWtU by sim@shitposter.club
2020-03-23T23:31:26.352679Z
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@ihavebigtits I think I'd be inclined to agree with this. It's definitely more complex than having a duty. It doesn't help when the system in place is set against having a family, that there isn't the community and support available which is helpful. I'm not sure turning to the state or to immigration helps matters when it comes to considering the aging population we keep hearing about.When you mention the last part, would you be open to adoption even though you don't want children of your own? Or would you take care of a niece/nephew if your sibling couldn't for any reason? I can imagine the last one is more personal.
(DIR) Post #9tJXfbm6CDoeUiYi5g by sim@shitposter.club
2020-03-23T23:34:47.030370Z
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@shampoobottle Perhaps. Things have certainly changed... I wonder if becoming more globalised has taken a toll too.
(DIR) Post #9tJXjn0aN6IUUeKR84 by shampoobottle@gleasonator.com
2020-03-23T23:35:34Z
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@sim I think globalization is another effect, not a cause
(DIR) Post #9tJXqcUJsuQ9tMUehc by sim@shitposter.club
2020-03-23T23:36:51.127663Z
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@shampoobottle But thinking globally changes the mindset... and practices for say businesses have changed along with it.
(DIR) Post #9tJXwCi6dd2HgJbYEC by rizzo@iscute.moe
2020-03-23T23:37:49.499906Z
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@sim @ihavebigtits I agree with p much everything Naomi said. If women do not want to have babies do not make them have babies a few of them will be very bad parents. Not everyone has maternal instinctsI however have maternal instincts and hormones so once I am financially stable i will want to have a baby. Doesn't need to be my baby. I will foster.
(DIR) Post #9tJY8AF1dyepUzhnuq by shampoobottle@gleasonator.com
2020-03-23T23:39:58Z
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@sim It changes a lot of things and ofc society isn't as simple as direct causes and effects, but if you had to simplify it to a graph, I think it would be the Industrial Revolution in the center, and two lines drawn out from that; the degradation of the family and globalization.
(DIR) Post #9tJYeGtaRHWfP3zIQ4 by ihavebigtits@kawen.space
2020-03-23T23:45:47.260000Z
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@sim Tbh with modern technology I think we can easily take care of an aging population, eventually the median age will stabilise as the birth rate does. And aging is mostly a threat to the "economy." Personally I don't think having constant economical growth is the most important goal. It's kind of sad how hard it seems to be to have a family these days, and it breaks my heart thinking of children that have to be stuck in daycare so their parents can work to sustain them while there's people with billions of dollars. A lot of the people working don't *need* to and that's becoming more true as technology improves. That being said if it's easier to have families population will grow quicker and overpopulation will become a problem quicker. That kind of terrifies me but I don't think there's really a good solution.Even if the world becomes friendlier for people who want families there will still be less people being born in the past so I don't think it's too much of an issue. There's a massive amount of things contributing to birth rates going down.And while adoption is cool I just don't think I'm fit to raise a child. I struggle with my mental health a lot and children are incredibly fragile and sensitive so I don't want to hurt a child that I raise. Although I guess I'd still be a lot better than a lot of mothers anyway smh. I also just don't feel ready, I'm 19 and it feels like my life has just started. I can't say whether or not I'll change my mind in the future though~And, if somebody important to me needed me to help take care of their child I would consider it at least.
(DIR) Post #9tJYo3ILrPPU7MEd9c by sim@shitposter.club
2020-03-23T23:47:35.618386Z
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@rizzo @ihavebigtits Yeah, although I do have to wonder if it is more complex than them simply not having maternal instincts. I mean, some women won't want to have children or would rather focus on other things that bring them more meaning. But we do have a sizable population of women that struggle with raising children or being able to settle down. We have a lot of women with mental health problems as well which makes it harder for them to parent. Perhaps they would even be put off the thought of having children because they have other problems. It would be good to be able to encourage the women who want to have children to have them, and to separate out the women who don't want children and those who don't want them because of other issues. To help them with those issues if they are open for it and take the opportunity, and then let them review things again. If they end up wanting children then give them the support to, but if they don't then not to force that on them.If it comes back to contributing to a society/community which they benefit from, there are plenty of ways to do this now.
(DIR) Post #9tJYpaajYBYrfsZ9Um by ihavebigtits@kawen.space
2020-03-23T23:47:51.161928Z
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@rizzo @sim Foster parents (who aren't abusive haha,) are really wonderful people so I'm proud of you~ Even adopting is really good too
(DIR) Post #9tJZPphUqv6CxY0mUy by sim@shitposter.club
2020-03-23T23:54:25.302467Z
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@shampoobottle Oh yeah, shifting attitudes with the industrial revolution make sense. I wonder also about moving away from the mindset to grow our own food and stocking up for the winter because of having plenty through consumerism changed things. It sort of took parents out of the home more... we consume a lot more and have more things than we would have in the past. In order to afford all this, more than one person needs to work.
(DIR) Post #9tJanaOXViCgOT2DdQ by sim@shitposter.club
2020-03-24T00:09:55.158162Z
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@ihavebigtits Yeah, I have become more disillusioned when I think about continuous growth. Sort of screwed us over to have this as the most important factor, especially as the economy is even more fragile. Just look at what governments can reduce it to or how we decide on the stock markets.I'm not sure what the solution is, but it would be nice if the government/businesses stopped over-relying on outsourcing to other countries, bringing immigration in large numbers in as some kind of quick fix. It doesn't help the numbers. I think that is understandable but also rather sad. I wish the thought of having children didn't come back to having mental health issues and not wanting to damage children, you know? I wish there was a way to help women that feel like this so it wasn't the case. I'd rather women not want children because they don't want children rather than worried about damaging them. But it would always be good to help women become healthy regardless of their choice to have them or not. But you definitely have time to decide, although I think it doesn't help that we've delayed milestones in life. Especially if a woman wants a large family, she needs to be able to settle down early with a partner and have them rather than waiting later in life. Yeah, same here. I would want to do what I could, at any rate. Just hope it doesn't come to that because it means someone I care about is in trouble or no longer around. That is tragic.
(DIR) Post #9tJbfdhBSFDsGgWvQm by sim@shitposter.club
2020-03-24T00:19:41.303379Z
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@ihavebigtits @rizzo It's unfortunate there are so many abusive people out there. Some of whom were abused growing up and keeping the cycle going. When I was younger, I did think about adopting if I was in a good position to do so and didn't have my own children... like if I had the money somehow. But looking at it, I thought it would have been better to adopt teenagers. Babies are easily adopted. But children who have bounced about and have scars really need a loving home. Plus it is easier to reason with an older child to see if they really wanted me to adopt them or not. I think it would have been meaningful to be able to support them with their health issues if they wanted the help. But now I think it is more meaningful for me to be able to provide for my own children what so many children don't get. I think that is precious. I'd like to peaceful parent as well.
(DIR) Post #9tJc9daQQMzocLfn84 by phildobangnz@pl.smuglo.li
2020-03-24T00:25:06.294467Z
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@sim I'm not really sure how interesting it is;;;I see it as a multi-faceted thing, but I would highlight/underline the following:-many women are still buying into the 'muh career at any cost' thing, because I think they don't want to have to depend on marriage, as they have inadvertently successfully undermined the institution to the point of near-meaninglessness. So, sensible for them, especially since many of them will want to reduce the hours they work and have children as their ability to do so begins to wane. -Women tend to date up and 'monkey-branch', and as such their hope is usually that a better career will grant them access to better males( though usually those males don't care about career so it doesnt much matter), and so there is a 'fear of missing out' involved with settling(as no doubt in their minds they are) for someone less accomplished.-Many more men than in previous generations don't have much of any interest in being with one woman for life( particularly as it seems unrealistic in current year), and so there are actually fewer low-quality males for the 'loser-females' who don't end up with their desired mates who are willing to in turn settle for them.-Further, if you break demographics down in females, you'll find that in a place like urban LA a latina teenager has more average children than her cohort-equivalent back home, and indeed you will find across the board the poor and undereducated are outbreeding those who 'ought' to be having children... It could be said therefore that there is a good chance even fewer professional women are having more than replacement levels of children- meaning that women achieving more educationally and professionally will in the fullness of time result in fewer net children, if more and more refuse to 'settle' on men that are in their eyes beneath them professionally educationally etc.-I think a certain percentage of women also see the freakshow sorts of stories about a 60 y/o woman giving birth, and foolishly believe that that is now realistic for modern science for women more generally than a one-off. Idk if that's everything I could think of, but I guess that'd be some of the reasons. Oh also, raising children is difficult and we raise women to do virtually anything to avoid responsibility and discomfort at any cost. Idk; maybe I have descended into crazytown by your judgement already;;;anyways I think that more or less ought to cover it I guess..
(DIR) Post #9tJkxZcYF4aOQkzQiu by overflow@pl.smuglo.li
2020-03-24T02:03:46.341626Z
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@sim im just joking infertile women should try to find something that fills the void for them
(DIR) Post #9tKbUx59EJmAMobRSK by sim@shitposter.club
2020-03-24T11:52:28.062504Z
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@phildobangnz I think you could be onto something with some of those points. I'd also highlight how we've postponed a lot of things in life until we're much older... we leave school at 16-18, encouraged to go to college/uni which leads us into our 20s, or else we may get lower wage jobs which makes it harder to live on if you want to start a family. It's harder to find someone to settle down with. By the time a lot of people are stable, they are in their 30s which leaves little time to have a large family. They could probably get one or two children, depending on how complicated things get. In the past, you would marry young and start having children early on... definitely have children in your 20s if there weren't complications. It's crazy how we've postponed a lot of things, especially to be able to live in a stable family unit. I really think there needs to be more education in how to discern who would be a good partner, how to look after the household and children. Everything you'd need to know, even if you don't end up staying home to look after children.
(DIR) Post #9tKbjWkVPwPB2Ztimu by sim@shitposter.club
2020-03-24T11:55:06.141115Z
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@overflow Ha... I suppose I can agree with that. If it isn't too painful, they could help look after other children... otherwise find something else that provides them with meaning.
(DIR) Post #9tS2oZJIRHuYAjKAMK by phildobangnz@pl.smuglo.li
2020-03-28T02:01:30.669121Z
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@sim Well, it is true we have delayed things quite a bit developmentally, which does make me think that a large part of this is intractable (at least so long as we maintain societies as they currently are), because for example, in our evolutionary history, a woman in her 30s was more than middle-aged and was rapidly approaching the point of no reproductive value(as of course without medical intervention a huge percentage of their pregnancies would not survive to term or would have various genetic defects etc., even if the woman could still carry a child)...I also think a lot of women just generally seem to have less ability to be feminine compared to the past(though I wasn't alive in a time when this might've been true, so tbh i wouldn't be surprised if women in fact were never as reputed)- not in terms of looks in my eyes, but in terms of nearly every attribute that one might ascribe to them in terms of emotions/behavior/etc. Couple that with the fact that they are godawful at acting like men in 'a man's world' and what comes of it is a world where men are allowed to exist as they are nowhere, and women are allowed to be anything they want and not be held to any equal standard, sometimes even when lives could be cost as a result.I don't think education could help on this issue- as most people(especially women, I would say, but certainly people generally) are led around by their emotions, and especially in the case of trauma or just generally flawed personalities, as often as not the ones that incite the most romantic interest are actually not healthy for the person, and they feel comfort from it because daddy was an abusive drunk so hubb ought to be one too, or similar... That being said, I would be in favor of that in theory, except if it were done in this country(and probably yours too honestly), I wouldn't have any expectation of such a class being anything other than some sort of modern-feminism/sjw bs about how any family unit is good and ideal etc., while ignoring the practical useful knowledge that one might hope to acquire from such a class... But, if it were done right, I think it'd be a good thing... I mean I'd settle for if home economics were still taught in most places/ updated for more modern stuff to help households save money.Further, the trend of women choosing more physically attractive and risk-taking men as they are young and choosing less attractive but more financially or otherwise stable men as they age is fairly well established... However, more men these days are aware of this (and that the vast majority of men are deemed below average attractiveness by women), means that more and more men are just going to abandon the classic family unit, because what is the point of supporting ingrates in every way without anything to show for it in return. I, for one, can't say that I am sad about this state of affairs, even though there was a time when I was more of a romantic/believed the lies told to us about these things. I guess I can be grateful to women for that at the very least- they have taught me through bitter experience that they are not deserving of the high regard which many men(including myself, many years ago) and society generally hold them.sorry if none of this makes much sense, I feel tired after work today;;; also, sorry for the length and for not getting back to u sooner, it kinda slipped my mind until we just started talknig today.
(DIR) Post #9tS4pqqquGlglzl8Ua by sim@shitposter.club
2020-03-28T02:24:10.090887Z
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@phildobangnz No problem. I tend to let conversations go sometimes or forget I had them after a few days. I have quite a few going at times and other things on my mind. So no pressure about when/if you get back to me!I'm not sure about how women were... but I am inclined to go with false-advertising at this point. I have no doubt that women in the past had a lot of mental health issues or just similar issues that they face today. If you were a poor woman, you still had to go out to work or go hungry. It was just different. Plus, have you seen stern and judgemental grandparents? I think we've always had all sorts of people throughout the ages, they were a product of their times.But I still hold that the education I mentioned would be helpful to a lot of women who didn't have that wisdom passed down to them. It won't help everyone because some just aren't ready for it. But it will others. On saying that, if it were implemented today... you would be sadly right. Certain people would get their claws on it and reduce it to a shadow of its intended purpose. Very sad it has come to this.I understand when it comes down to men choosing women today. There are too many women that aren't worth putting in that effort and greater risk. That will take advantage if they do pay attention.
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2020-03-28T04:20:36.835410Z
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@sim very understanding of you, thank you... though I was more or less aware of how u felt about that, it is always better to be polite, in my eyes, at least.yes, I tend to agree with this, though i wouldnt say it is something im certain of... But yeah, of course I do agree everyone is sort of coping with the flaws of their parents caused by their parents caused by their parents etc.Yeah, that sort of thing has to be on the backburner, for now at least, or at least until some sort of objectivity/utilitarian purpose can be restored to however they decide the curriculum for such a program.Yeah, tbh I am always surprised at how many men are willing to leap on the grenade of modern marriage and such, but at least statistically men seem to be smartening up about it... Though these days with metoo and all that, who really knows if any (straight, at least) man is actually safe decades in the future from satan knows who;;;
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2020-03-28T12:20:13.626750Z
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@phildobangnz Yeah, and just think about what used to be acceptable in the past. Is it any wonder people turn out abusive with childhood trauma? It used to be allowed to be violent towards children, even though they are the least powerful. They are not developed enough, physically or mentally. Yet we expect them to read our minds and behave.Agreed. Until the long march into the education is halted. So that a proper curriculum can be added that actually benefits. Ideally, this would be taught by parents but if they haven't got a clue then their children need to learn it elsewhere. Parents can also encourage faulty thinking so they aren't figured out by their children, or so their children just meet their needs instead of what is in the best interests of the child. Seeking abusive partners can be down to messages learned from abusive parents or teachers, or anyone else looking after the child. It's confusing for children who are dependent.In a way, I am glad there are men out there willing to marry still. It gives some hope. But far better to learn about what a healthy relationship looks like and then you can be smart about who you pick to marry. Perhaps avoid some pitfalls along the way. We need that hope in society, that goes against the current grain for how marriages turn out. If people aren't marrying then I can see things getting much worse. Especially with so many people sleeping around, screwing each other up. What sort of environment is that for the next generation to grow up in? For what it is worth, I'm glad that women married in the past when things were stacked against them too. Just wish these things were under better circumstances for both.