Post 9sm5aa6i4xltbrHhGC by ewaf@ewaf.club
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(DIR) Post #9sgkreFzJn3slWXOhU by proxeus@iscute.moe
2020-03-05T06:28:56.240921Z
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Guys... this network is PUBLIC.Even if your post visibility is not public, your content is still accessible to the public.You cant post content to a public network and then complain about privacy, thats stupid. There are alternatives for that. Use cryptocat or something ffs...Also using Tor to post on a public network is stupid.Please stop complaining about your privacy in a public network. Or better yet stop using social media. Its called SOCIAL for a reason...
(DIR) Post #9sglOCwHuDxRb5qfnk by mewmew@blob.cat
2020-03-05T06:34:49.384190Z
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@proxeus The social is really the most important part. I don't see why people post on here and complain about people reading or replying to their posts - that's why I'm here!
(DIR) Post #9sgwgJbuwILKzr9ox6 by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2020-03-05T08:41:22.028551Z
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@proxeus > Also using Tor to post on a public network is stupid.No it isn't. Ita) is still herd immunity for the rest of usb) it is OK to have one part of your life be public and another to be private. using tor on *all* connections helps with this, with being able to choose when and who gets to see what part of you. Granted if you do this, you should make sure that you use a different connection for the public stuff.c) SOCIAL does not mean PUBLIC. There's been plenty of private social systems. WASTE being one. You just don't hear about them much very often because people are so deeply embedded with privacy violating tech in their lives.
(DIR) Post #9sgx3YLQKCMnLzWUnw by se7en@freespeechextremist.com
2020-03-05T08:45:34.646420Z
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@proxeus I agree except for the Tor part. Publishing anonymity is a worthwhile pursuit, but I do agree that publishing and expecting the publication to be seen by either no one or few is nonsense.
(DIR) Post #9sh0rLMz8eyBSFgfMe by Kat@pleroma.topcat.io
2020-03-05T09:28:08.698851Z
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@mewmewIkr. I also hate when a person's only Fedi account is a private account which says "I'll only accept follow requests from people I know". Like, what's the point of having a social media account where the only people who see your posts are your group of friends? Just use a chat application instead.@proxeus
(DIR) Post #9sh18s1yxT2tftDk2a by lumi@niu.moe
2020-03-05T09:31:15Z
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@proxeus I really want private groups on fedi so I can stop having all my posts be publicI actually don't mind everyone seeing them, but I do take issue with things like scraping, full text search, archiving, etc...followers-only posts really don't work that well, sadly"social" doesn't need to mean that everyone can see your posts and interact with them, this is unfortunately just how fedi currently works
(DIR) Post #9shKmZXx04c73honyq by dee@pleroma.site
2020-03-05T13:11:24.438804Z
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@mewmew A charitable interpretation is that they are complaining about context collapse which is a problem of social media and ActivityPub doesn't have good solutions for.@proxeus
(DIR) Post #9shPkNqE34bvwn8rzM by proxeus@iscute.moe
2020-03-05T14:06:57.082346Z
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@lumi Your text is still accessible to anyone owning an instance so its still public and scrapable.
(DIR) Post #9shPokpYW86APBuf4K by Akio@fedi.absturztau.be
2020-03-05T14:07:50.152355Z
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@proxeus @lumi the cloud never forget :blobcatcomfevil:
(DIR) Post #9shQ2cdDnVEH1ykxF2 by proxeus@iscute.moe
2020-03-05T14:10:19.313316Z
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@jeffcliff a) Tor isnt immunizing from anything, all it does is encrypting your connection. Your content will still be public and scrapable.b) For that there are other platforms, use cryptocat or something when you really need privacy.c) The whole point of being social is precisely being open to the public
(DIR) Post #9shQIPu4t7PwBlAjw0 by proxeus@iscute.moe
2020-03-05T14:13:12.022711Z
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@Akio @lumi Specially if your instance uses cloudflare OR your content federates with an instance using cloudflare.
(DIR) Post #9shRX7LSGnecvdYFGa by worm@blob.cat
2020-03-05T14:27:03.907888Z
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@proxeus while generally, yes...> publichave you considered encrypted posts?> using tor is dumbbad take.
(DIR) Post #9shRu1twfwyyhobqAi by proxeus@iscute.moe
2020-03-05T14:31:10.264328Z
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@worm Encrypted posts using what, pgp messages? On a public network? That would rise a few red flags on the people that actually does real tracking.> Using tor is dumbI didnt say that and you are placing words I didnt say in the first place in my mouth. So no.I simply said that using TOR TO PPST CONTENT ON A PUBLIC PLATFORM WHERE YOUR CONTENT IS ACCESSIBLE TO EVERYONE IS STUPID. If you are quoting me quote my statements completely.
(DIR) Post #9shS7hACZiG6RVjHbU by worm@blob.cat
2020-03-05T14:33:40.421956Z
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@proxeus > red flagsYeah, we better not use encryption because it's suspicious. let's use clearnet without ssl, to be less suspicious. lol. also tor traffic is good for the tor network, so even if you're not trying to be stealth is good to have normal social traffic there, gosh.
(DIR) Post #9shSJxrOK6NvhXmVRA by proxeus@iscute.moe
2020-03-05T14:35:52.357716Z
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@worm Again, you are placing words and assuming things I didnt say. I said "dont use social networks if you mind your privacy"
(DIR) Post #9shSNUTtUmiPk5TKiW by worm@blob.cat
2020-03-05T14:36:31.608945Z
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@proxeus you said a lot of silly things.
(DIR) Post #9shSPhtUb7avv9VD8a by proxeus@iscute.moe
2020-03-05T14:36:55.605856Z
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@worm Use cryptocat, or something. I dont care. But not the fediverse. I dont think its that hard to understand.
(DIR) Post #9shSUD0upyJFay7ZwW by worm@blob.cat
2020-03-05T14:37:44.516132Z
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@proxeus it's not hard to understand, it's just wrong.
(DIR) Post #9shSWWleMdf1RK5Q8m by proxeus@iscute.moe
2020-03-05T14:38:08.691169Z
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@worm No I didnt, and its not my fauly that you dont want to read my posts and you prefer to put words in my mouth to back yourself up.
(DIR) Post #9shSaaATfBez90dIBc by worm@blob.cat
2020-03-05T14:38:53.762916Z
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@proxeus you shouldn't use SSL to send this, that's suspicious. raises a lot of red flags.
(DIR) Post #9shSfEYtQEJZa8GrE8 by proxeus@iscute.moe
2020-03-05T14:39:43.208059Z
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@worm Like everyone encrypts their messages with pgp on facebook right? That wouldnt smell. Im not discussing this any further.
(DIR) Post #9shSiJniOqeyhPftLc by worm@blob.cat
2020-03-05T14:40:16.139815Z
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@proxeus we weren't discussing it before, i was making fun of your bad take.
(DIR) Post #9shSnPQEvXdxa77bd2 by proxeus@iscute.moe
2020-03-05T14:41:12.599074Z
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@worm By exposing your own ignorance, by trying to say things I didnt say? You are a kid.
(DIR) Post #9shSqlxlZs3GMKPJlQ by worm@blob.cat
2020-03-05T14:41:48.945994Z
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@proxeus oh no, not a kid, what do i do
(DIR) Post #9shSt7vgsT8r4AYinY by worm@blob.cat
2020-03-05T14:42:14.071118Z
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@proxeus will i be less of a kid if i agree with you? would that help?
(DIR) Post #9shkV9QrRACXx4r7h2 by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2020-03-05T17:59:36.542555Z
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@proxeus > a) Tor isnt immunizing from anything, all it does is encrypting your connection. Your content will still be public and scrapable.It immunizes the *herd* from decryption attempts. If the only people who use tor are the people with 'something to hide' then it won't matter how good the encryption is. What will matter will be the metadata 'that they are using tor'. When EVERYONE uses tor, then the people who need it for real, when they need it, will have protection in numbers.b) Right. Which should also be used over tor.c) No that is not the point. The point is to communicate with people. There is a time and a place for public broadcasts, but that time is not 'all social activity'. The overwhelming vast majority of social activity in human history is and was not *not* publicly broadcast to the world.
(DIR) Post #9shkZgBfb410hKuSWm by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2020-03-05T18:00:25.632846Z
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@proxeus d) and social networks can, if built properly, facilitate *all* social activity not just the public stuff. It's just in the way they are designed as far as how easy that is, technically.
(DIR) Post #9shntLXAOWdEIU2Aoi by proxeus@iscute.moe
2020-03-05T18:37:24.479088Z
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@jeffcliff Make a "social" network that facilitates 100% privacy. See it crumble.What you want is not a social network. What you want is a community. But using encryption and not allowing any kind of public social interaction whatsoever. Entry to the community would be per request and reviewed by an administrator. There are forums for that... just put a phpbb on Tor and make sure the DDBB you use is fully encrypted.The fact that social media is so popular is precisely because it's designed to be open to the public.
(DIR) Post #9shpduPRA2tJjhBXlY by lumi@niu.moe
2020-03-05T18:57:05Z
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@proxeus any instance that has a user on it that has access to it, no?
(DIR) Post #9shpjpWCG5MaIwAckq by proxeus@iscute.moe
2020-03-05T18:58:16.793908Z
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@lumi By default, any instance owner can access anything that federates with their instance.
(DIR) Post #9shpx2xpZx6TloOl28 by Chuculate@niu.moe
2020-03-05T19:00:37Z
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@lumi @proxeus Mainly DMs.
(DIR) Post #9shqHQJ6V1ZXxX452W by lumi@niu.moe
2020-03-05T19:04:16Z
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@Chuculate @proxeus yeah those are some of the issues in a federated network without e2eeit's still much better than "anyone can scrape this"fully public is worse than somewhat private, at least the latter can block scraping and archiving somewhat
(DIR) Post #9shqNaiqgl8y0032Ce by proxeus@iscute.moe
2020-03-05T19:05:27.782757Z
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@lumi @Chuculate Yeah but what prevents me from making an instance, federating with everyone, and then datamining everything I want?
(DIR) Post #9shqbtjYnjkj14CcxU by lumi@niu.moe
2020-03-05T19:07:56Z
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@proxeus @Chuculate there's tradeoffs everywhere, and that attack still has a limited effectat least private groups go more towards being scraper-hostile, and that's a nice step
(DIR) Post #9sikZ2tLtHW5z201HU by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2020-03-06T05:34:59.672294Z
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@proxeus> What you want is not a social network. > communityPotato potato. A network designed explicitly for social interaction, with a gradient of privacy available between 'totally unabashedly public' and 'as private as feasible' *is* doable. It just hasn't been done yet. What you are promoting is privacy nihilism, which is *not* called for post-snowden. There's no reason why a community can't have privacy for *some* things. In fact there's a lot of reasons why communities *should* have this degree of privacy available> Make a "social" network that facilitates 100% privacy. See it crumble.I intend on encouraging my students to do just this. And I intend on living to see the day where they succeed
(DIR) Post #9sikc6jK4oOAkwlh1k by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2020-03-06T05:35:34.644058Z
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@proxeus phpbb is and has always been terrible, imho. Even just starting from PHP is a mistake.
(DIR) Post #9siktlW3gjPOAtz3sO by proxeus@iscute.moe
2020-03-06T05:38:44.313867Z
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@jeffcliff Im not talking about being doable but being successful. What you are talking about is ideals, but in real life our society is sociable and that means people has to open to the public.And what you are talking about is the opposite. Closing to the public.You see how that would never work out?
(DIR) Post #9sikzsDNhAfCgj9zsm by proxeus@iscute.moe
2020-03-06T05:39:51.377225Z
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@jeffcliff Great. Then make one using C and CGI scripts.
(DIR) Post #9silDrxRRpfDweNWXw by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2020-03-06T05:42:23.815122Z
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@proxeus> and that means people has to open to the public.Sometimes. You might observe, though, that probably 99% of WhatsApp/Snapchat/etc group chats are private. There is a *huge* need for this and it will be met. It's just currently being met by state-sponsored crap.It can work, we just have to make it work and value things like software freedom and independence from the likes of NSA/Facebook at a societal level.
(DIR) Post #9silTnEEnYYbuYpNFw by proxeus@iscute.moe
2020-03-06T05:45:13.365164Z
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@jeffcliff That depends on your definition of "private". Talking to strangers online even if its in a "closed" group (no public visibility) is not in my dictionary entry of privacy, you see... and what most people do in these is to hit on random strangers to get to know them (or mostly looking for sex). So... nope.
(DIR) Post #9simZdYXlzvpbWfyqW by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2020-03-06T05:57:32.454081Z
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@proxeus They aren't strangers if you know who they are. > and what most people do in these is to hit on random strangers to get to know them As if what most people do anywhere else isn't to hit on eachother? Real Names don't change that very much.These are human beings we're talking about not saints.People are going to have a lot of different things to say to eachother, especially if they can build longer-term relationships with them. Sex is going to be one of those things, but there's plenty else to talk about.I'm surprised you didn't pull out the 'people on the fediverse mostly talk about fediverse development, people on ham radio mostly talk about ham radio' argument, that's probably going to be topic #1 of any new social network - the network itself.
(DIR) Post #9simu7umbsKhYGqfpY by proxeus@iscute.moe
2020-03-06T06:01:12.549083Z
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@jeffcliff And how are you supposed to know who they are if everyone is closed to each other? Its a very simple concept that doesnt require any science to understand.
(DIR) Post #9sipTJogYG2KVXuAcq by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2020-03-06T06:30:00.816643Z
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@proxeus This is the way the internet was in the mid-late 1990s/early 2000s. We made do. You could *gasp* talk to eachother.
(DIR) Post #9slpcP4wSHtoiZIvnU by ewaf@ewaf.club
2020-03-07T17:15:46.397349Z
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@proxeus @worm>I simply said that using TOR TO PPST CONTENT ON A PUBLIC PLATFORM WHERE YOUR CONTENT IS ACCESSIBLE TO EVERYONE IS STUPID.No, it's not. Not at all.Why shouldn't you be able to maintain a secret social media identity, so you can talk with other people about stuff that you wouldn't normally talk about (so it can't be traced back to you)? That makes 0 sense.Using Tor doesn't mean that you have to be completely anonymous. You can also have an identity when using it.
(DIR) Post #9sltsMdVhgLbaoL7D6 by ewaf@ewaf.club
2020-03-07T18:03:29.487659Z
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@proxeus @worm privacy doesn't mean that you can't say things publicly. it means that you can decide by yourself what to share.
(DIR) Post #9sm1rJmlcGQk5xgJYu by proxeus@iscute.moe
2020-03-07T19:32:53.737169Z
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@ewaf @worm This discussion is already over, everything that had to be said has been already said and your point was already discussed. There is no point in bringing it back.
(DIR) Post #9sm5aa6i4xltbrHhGC by ewaf@ewaf.club
2020-03-07T20:14:44.318129Z
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@proxeus @worm and where?