Post 9sdscfARcPXQlae4O0 by curufuin@freeradical.zone
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(DIR) Post #9sdojeARKrfJsKiZGq by sean@social.deadsuperhero.com
2020-03-03T20:28:11.155133Z
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Bernie: It's time for our revolution to make a stand! The future of our country depends on you!> Montage of thousands of people putting up signs, organizing rallies, running fundraisers, casting ballots, and votes being countedCNN: This just in! It's the end of Super Tuesday, and Joe Biden is the Democratic nominee!
(DIR) Post #9sdom5AfuIZiCmzO6K by mewmew@blob.cat
2020-03-03T20:28:35.708332Z
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@sean is this real?
(DIR) Post #9sdotQRlCfawDXTxOy by sean@social.deadsuperhero.com
2020-03-03T20:29:53.618916Z
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@mewmew haha, no
(DIR) Post #9sdoz1TswETYWc93OC by freemo@qoto.org
2020-03-03T20:30:40Z
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@sean As much as I dislike Bernie and think he would absolutely devastated the USA I will also be the first to admit that he, like most political news, is not treated accurately or objectively.
(DIR) Post #9sdpAYusxxujPPHDF2 by sean@social.deadsuperhero.com
2020-03-03T20:32:59.480338Z
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@freemo I'm not so sure he actually would devastate the economy. His views and policies aside, a lot of that would depend on what he would be able to actually pass through Congress.There might be more compromise to balance out those seemingly radical policies. If all we get out of it is a good national healthcare system, I'd say we came out ahead.
(DIR) Post #9sdpYvkVj6QPAn2lLk by freemo@qoto.org
2020-03-03T20:37:17Z
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@sean Valid point. thing is, he isnt even proposing a reasonable healthcare system. Yea the USA has a horrific system, but the system he proposes is modeled after other countries where the healthcare is also abysmal just in different ways. I'm just as scared of his healthcare proposals as his other proposals.Lets not forget he tried to implement it in his home state and it was so poorly done that they had to rescind the laws a few years later due to crippling costs and a decline in the quality of care in other ways.I'm all for healthcare reform but no one is bothering to come up with any that isnt just modeled after failed systems.The thing is, none of his proposals are well designed. So either he gets nothing through, in which case he is an ineffective president and that has its own issues. Or he does make some portion of changes in line with his proposals to some degree and winds up making things worse.
(DIR) Post #9sdpaPRYoDvnYesvaK by feld@bikeshed.party
2020-03-03T20:37:43.793613Z
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@sean @freemo on the other hand, history shows that when the President leads congress follows.
(DIR) Post #9sdqsCRxxOg0QU7bX6 by freemo@qoto.org
2020-03-03T20:52:00Z
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@feld Does it though. If anything ive seen very little cooperation from congress for about a decade now despite both OBama's and Trump's attempts at leading.@sean
(DIR) Post #9sdrNScFu0QtXbqBdI by feld@bikeshed.party
2020-03-03T20:57:47.600148Z
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@freemo @sean Obama didn't lead. He wanted a widely bipartisan healthcare bill and sabotaged himself back when they had the majority in house and senate.Trump's a special case because he doesn't even know what's legal
(DIR) Post #9sdrUbAwTco87BT840 by freemo@qoto.org
2020-03-03T20:58:56Z
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@feld by that definitin of lead then what you mean s someone who inspires others to follow. I dont think that describes Bernies influence on congress.@sean
(DIR) Post #9sdrcvnlfmSkP1bQDg by feld@bikeshed.party
2020-03-03T21:00:35.803994Z
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@freemo @sean no that's not what I mean. And Bernie will travel the country and primary every democrat that refuses to support him. He will oust every centrist dem out there and replace them with a progressive.
(DIR) Post #9sdrmRpbxMVMLb0E0O by feld@bikeshed.party
2020-03-03T21:02:19.310155Z
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@freemo @sean the constituents overwhelmingly want Bernie's policies; it's the politicians that are behind
(DIR) Post #9sdrtqM3B6aYQphb9c by freemo@qoto.org
2020-03-03T21:03:30Z
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@feld Doubtful, I dont think the USA is that far gone yet to let that happen. I think most extremists (progressives) are seen as a huge part of the problem in america. I dont even think he will get elected let alone have the sort of effect to cause america to descend into that level of extremism and hate. I have hope the america people will choose to move beyond the polarization and extremism that has been seen in recent years from the progressives and conservatives. We will see more moderates again.@sean
(DIR) Post #9sds53ANstDJLuaaxc by freemo@qoto.org
2020-03-03T21:05:29Z
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@feld Not true, he could only barely win 50% of support from liberals. He certainly wont be getting anywhere near "overwhelming support" of the whole population. I think you'll just hear the few obnoxious supporters being exceptionally loud as they always are, may even seem like support from the general population, but in reality his support will remain low.@sean
(DIR) Post #9sdscfARcPXQlae4O0 by curufuin@freeradical.zone
2020-03-03T21:11:36Z
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@freemo @sean the US needs to be devastated, it’s a broken, racist, hyper capitalist system that doesn’t work for anybody but the capitalist class, the rest of us are getting screwed out of our lives, Labour and health to prop up the exorbitant lifestyles of the Mike Bloomberg’s. Hate Bernie all you want, he’s the only one with consistency, the only one you can even remotely trust and the only one that isn’t a bootlicker.
(DIR) Post #9sdt5puik6pwUgCYWu by freemo@qoto.org
2020-03-03T21:16:50Z
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@curufuin I do agree the US needs some devestation, it is broken, it is racist. It is not hyper capitalist, nor is capitalism the issue, but I do agree the poor and lower class people are not being served properly all the same. So I do agree that you are "getting screwed" all the sameAs for bernie, I'm not sure being consistent, when that consistency is harmful. But I'd argue he is hardly consistent or honest. Last election I was a bernie supporter. Then he supportd Hillary of all people and the DNC party. That was the moment any claim to integrity he had went out the window. Once you start supporting people and organizations as crooked as H?illary and the DNC I withdrew my support for him and told myself I would not vote for him again (I voted for him int he last primary).Moreover this time around he has proven that again with his proposed budget. The **one** reason I might have supported Bernie was because he talked about lowering military spending. But surprise surprise when he released his proposed budget if he got elected there is a less than 0.1% reduction in military spending and virtually all of the money to fund his programs instead was going to come from the nations wealth-generating sources. Typical bullshit and lies from Bernie yet again, and I cant in good conscious support that.If he actually did what he said he was going to do then maybe... But he has already hown he wont.@sean
(DIR) Post #9sduED7gR4ckkKp0yG by feld@bikeshed.party
2020-03-03T21:29:43.807766Z
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@freemo @sean you are conflating Bernie the candidate with Bernie's policiesBernie the candidate comes with all the baggage of the media smears.Walk up to anyone who isn't anti-government and say "do you support giving everyone in USA a better healthcare plan than they already have and it will cost less than you're currently paying, covers all medications, dental, vision, home health care, no catches" and they'll overwhelmingly say yes.
(DIR) Post #9sdug1PhZ3PKXSVkPI by freemo@qoto.org
2020-03-03T21:34:37Z
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@feld They probably will, but largely because its a half-lie... you'd also have to add "And increase wait time, even for emergencies, to 10s of times longer, sometimes resulting in irreversible damage, fewer treatment options, and a significantly higher fatality rate on certain classes of diseases (usually the kind where pre-emptive tests catch it, cancer being the most notable).You have to remember I have now have had pre-obamacare health insurance both as a poor person on welfare and a middle class person, I have also had obamacare, and european healthcare from various countries. I currently have Dutch Healthcare (Netherlands). I can tell you from first hand that bernies style of healthcare certainly has some advantages, but there are also a lot of sacrafices. There are better solutions than either of these which is the more important part to me.@sean
(DIR) Post #9sdv07iZpmrDsovPoe by feld@bikeshed.party
2020-03-03T21:38:24.026542Z
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@freemo @sean that's a bald faced lie. If there was an ounce of truth to your framing of Medicare for All then why does Australia's Medicare provide #1 outcomes in the world?You forgot about people who have NO care so the wait time is infinityYou forget that it can take months to get in with a specialist right now even when you have the best plan in the world.Or how about people who need mental health counseling and have to wait months to get in?Or all of the rural hospitals and clinics in the USA that are closing?Or all the assisted living facilities that won't take you unless you have cash?All of these problems are due to for-profit structures.
(DIR) Post #9sdvCsNKBor83y470a by freemo@qoto.org
2020-03-03T21:40:33Z
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@feld My words were very specific.. you said I made a bald face lie, please quote the phrase you think is a lie.I'm not sure what Australia being #1 in "outcomes" whatever that means contradicts with anything I said, so really I have no idea what your saying right now, sorry. Please be more specific so I can understand you and I'll try to respond again.@sean
(DIR) Post #9sdvNMI9oawPkAeACG by feld@bikeshed.party
2020-03-03T21:42:35.930784Z
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@freemo @sean you forget that the system is clogged due to everyone going to the ER for help because they can't afford to see a doctor when the issue is easily treated.Or dental issues leading to infections ravaging your organsAll of these go away and the system becomes much more efficient.And by the way rich people can still pay for concierge doctors and go to the front of the line. It's only like $3000/month, my friend used to do it so he could text and FaceTime his doctor anytime he wanted and get in to be seen immediately
(DIR) Post #9sdvQK54UZnrkrwJLU by feld@bikeshed.party
2020-03-03T21:43:08.632657Z
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@freemo @sean you're lying about quality of care and wait times. This has been debunked again and again
(DIR) Post #9sdvaOTR0w3sH88ZxA by freemo@qoto.org
2020-03-03T21:44:48Z
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@feld I'd be happy to show you peer reviewed studies that show wait times in many socialistic countries are months longer than in the USA, I'm a data scientist after all I can backup what I say and I pick m words carefully.They passed peer review so not really sure what you mean by "debunked" but your welcome to counter them if you have evidence sure.@sean
(DIR) Post #9sdxNE9sFtdYQTpzXM by feld@bikeshed.party
2020-03-03T22:04:58.231967Z
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@freemo @sean scheduling for non-life threatening surgeries may be affected in some circumstances but that doesn't qualify as a "wait time".If you show up at the ER you will be seen instead of dying in the waiting room like people currently do.Your entire argument here is "it's bad because more people will use it and it may inconvenience me" which is not only narcissistic but insane. You should choose your words more carefully.Trying to impress me with a bullshit job title will not work. I am not impressed that your boring day job is to run reports on data warehouses/elasticsearch/Cassandra/solr. It does not give you any leverage here, just shows how petty you are that you think it will somehow stifle me.
(DIR) Post #9sdxvZcswcrEqymips by feld@bikeshed.party
2020-03-03T22:11:11.603673Z
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@freemo @sean side note: my best friend's ex-husband used to fly to Australia to see a doctor instead of going to one in Maui because Australia's system is 1000x better.
(DIR) Post #9se0GIRSEMJVXxRnHc by feld@bikeshed.party
2020-03-03T22:37:21.018756Z
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@freemo @sean To follow up:If your data is so airtight, why do doctors in the USA overwhelmingly want to see us move to universal coverage instead? If it was worse for the patients wouldn't that be against their Hippocratic Oath to get involved in a movement that would hurt their patients?:thunk: :thunk: :thunk: :thunk: :thunk: :thunk: :thunk:
(DIR) Post #9seJefmb00kQ15fnSC by espen@social.fed.im
2020-03-03T20:36:23Z
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@sean The ego has landed.