Post 9sbNXFwYUIYkC0AeB6 by alyx@jpop.club
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(DIR) Post #9saiw1mOBpYLNn6ofA by 0x00@social.panthermodern.net
2020-03-02T08:39:02Z
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Why is everyone on Fedi so obscenely submissive?Don't get me wrong, I'm nit complaining. But honestly, why?
(DIR) Post #9saj03ZbSjs46X38RU by igeljaeger@jpop.club
2020-03-02T08:39:46.790693Z
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@0x00 chads and alphas dont give a shit about software. So theyd never be here
(DIR) Post #9saj59c0RDYSHUbW3k by 0x00@social.panthermodern.net
2020-03-02T08:40:42Z
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@igeljaeger brb deleting my Fedi accounts
(DIR) Post #9sajCw8GRHkon7P5G4 by igeljaeger@jpop.club
2020-03-02T08:42:06.142656Z
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@0x00 if you want to meet those, dont waste time on the internet. Also since youre gay, good luck lmao most gays are wannabe women here
(DIR) Post #9sakI59GRd8U9ktAHo by 0x00@social.panthermodern.net
2020-03-02T08:54:14Z
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@igeljaeger bruh1 - I am primarily dominative and possessive2 - I am pansexual, I think I already told you. I like males, females, and trans as well3 - "Don't waste time on the Internet" my man
(DIR) Post #9sakMAWkO9FRzqozVw by tuxcrafting@letsalllovela.in
2020-03-02T08:54:58.629503Z
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@0x00 i mean, everyone here is communist
(DIR) Post #9sakNp8AuVnGDT7K0u by 0x00@social.panthermodern.net
2020-03-02T08:55:17Z
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@tuxcrafting shut the fuck up jew
(DIR) Post #9sakOmNSdK4rxxirWy by igeljaeger@jpop.club
2020-03-02T08:55:26.794947Z
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@0x00 1 - so what was your point again2 - thats just being a faggot so why differentiate with some made up word3 - uh
(DIR) Post #9sakQjUOLIW9aUtbdI by tuxcrafting@letsalllovela.in
2020-03-02T08:55:49.129871Z
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@0x00 ok furry
(DIR) Post #9sakUNz2F5Ja2yyGm0 by igeljaeger@jpop.club
2020-03-02T08:56:28.543915Z
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@tuxcrafting @0x00 hitler went after the wrong people
(DIR) Post #9sakywZ0ErT1z0Mjmy by alyx@jpop.club
2020-03-02T09:01:59.096840Z
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@0x00 @igeljaeger >I like males, females, and trans as wellI love how that basically implies trans-people are neither male nor female, as if they're some weird abomination of nature. :marialol:
(DIR) Post #9sal5otd8z5aELIE5I by 0x00@social.panthermodern.net
2020-03-02T09:03:13Z
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@alyx @igeljaeger oofI was explaining it to someone who doesn't understand what trans are. Perhaps I should've written "males and females (that includes trans people as well)".
(DIR) Post #9salVJGdMWIXfECuIa by alyx@jpop.club
2020-03-02T09:07:51.225214Z
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@0x00 @igeljaeger Thing is, even if you said "men, women and trans" you're again confronted with the same issue. I generally find it really hard to see what's the difference between bisexual and pansexual, unless you assume that bisexuals strictly exclude people who've transitioned, and I'm not sure that's the case.
(DIR) Post #9salWiFvwMQpSFY4mm by igeljaeger@jpop.club
2020-03-02T09:08:06.152167Z
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@alyx @0x00 that is a pretty epic gamer take my dude :marialol:
(DIR) Post #9sala1VGprVW1BIieW by alyx@jpop.club
2020-03-02T09:08:42.282811Z
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@igeljaeger @0x00 I'm waiting for my immediate cancellation.
(DIR) Post #9salfWJLijaV0xLVui by 0x00@social.panthermodern.net
2020-03-02T09:09:41Z
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@alyx @igeljaeger I do assume bisexual people to strictly exclude non-binary people, yes.I mean it is in the name itself.Most bisexuals are actually pansexual, in any case "bisexual" is wrong if you are attracted to non-binary people.
(DIR) Post #9salhNQPjIZO2AXHOK by 0x00@social.panthermodern.net
2020-03-02T09:09:57Z
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@alyx @igeljaeger Nah I don't cancel people lmao
(DIR) Post #9saluYt2QVuhLXDAw4 by alyx@jpop.club
2020-03-02T09:12:24.332609Z
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@0x00 @igeljaeger I don't buy in the non-binary concept. And I find the concept that if some people aren't masculine or feminine enough, they're excluded from man or woman labels, highly bigoted and discriminatory.
(DIR) Post #9sam1UVV6maHn3VRwm by 0x00@social.panthermodern.net
2020-03-02T09:13:39Z
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@alyx @igeljaeger kI didn't ask for your opinion lmaoIt's not like I understand the whole concept of non-binary myself either, but honestly I like people for their personality, not for what's between their legs
(DIR) Post #9samLZKCuCJ8WYnVh2 by igeljaeger@jpop.club
2020-03-02T09:17:16.514753Z
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@0x00 @alyx obsessing over sexuality is retarded. Making it a lifestyle even more so. Both of these apply to 'non binary' people
(DIR) Post #9samQCoG2nsM8s43sW by alyx@jpop.club
2020-03-02T09:18:08.130130Z
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@0x00 @igeljaeger My issue with non-binary as a concept is that it precisely assumes that if one's personality does not fit into the stereotypes for men or women, then they must be a different "non-binary" category. I find it exclusive instead of inclusive, narrow minded, enforcing what some people would call harmful gender stereotypes and so on.
(DIR) Post #9samR3z4LL113kWwaW by 0x00@social.panthermodern.net
2020-03-02T09:18:16Z
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@igeljaeger @alyx true and true. But hey, to each their own.
(DIR) Post #9samaEacHUXsYgSwyG by alyx@jpop.club
2020-03-02T09:19:56.249025Z
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@0x00 @igeljaeger >to each their ownAlso true. But I'm not gonna accept other people's "each" so readily and use their vernacular, if it doesn't make sense to me.
(DIR) Post #9samanRGiEredpMTlA by 0x00@social.panthermodern.net
2020-03-02T09:20:02Z
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@alyx @igeljaeger I agree. Gender roles are a stupid concept to begin with.If someone with a dick wishes to dress cute and feminine, it doesn't necessarily mean they're crossdressers or trans.
(DIR) Post #9samioz8qaGhko233g by dwaltiz@pleroma.soykaf.com
2020-03-02T09:21:30.401699Z
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@0x00 I'm a betaAnd I'm a betaWe're both beta as fuckBETA!
(DIR) Post #9sampBZFnbGLWtxS2y by 0x00@social.panthermodern.net
2020-03-02T09:22:38Z
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@alyx @igeljaeger I don't think anyone seeks your validation, you're okay.
(DIR) Post #9samqKln4STgMLMxwe by alyx@jpop.club
2020-03-02T09:22:50.690142Z
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@0x00 @igeljaeger Finally something I 100% agree with you on. This is why I dislike concepts like non-binary, or gender-fluid so much and the ideology that comes with them. Because in this ideology, dressing feminine, having long hair and all that, means that you can no longer be a man, but instead you must be some other newly discovered gender-identity.
(DIR) Post #9samt5bPv2mkBgpb16 by dwaltiz@pleroma.soykaf.com
2020-03-02T09:23:21.273531Z
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@0x00 żydokomuna BTFO@tuxcrafting
(DIR) Post #9samvRLA4MX6BYLfwu by 0x00@social.panthermodern.net
2020-03-02T09:23:47Z
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@dwaltiz WhaOkay
(DIR) Post #9san19MTpJvcA9gj9U by igeljaeger@jpop.club
2020-03-02T09:24:47.614730Z
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@alyx @0x00 humans get insecure when they cant put themselves into neat little mental boxes
(DIR) Post #9san42l8pX0uYTbRwW by a7@pleroma.mouse.services
2020-03-02T09:25:44.104399Z
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@igeljaeger @alyx @0x00 no u
(DIR) Post #9sanA9lFi7IW0ZZOEa by igeljaeger@jpop.club
2020-03-02T09:26:25.647711Z
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@a7 @0x00 @alyx the only box I put myself in is the igeljaeger box
(DIR) Post #9sanBb5tZZgz4MudGa by dwaltiz@pleroma.soykaf.com
2020-03-02T09:26:42.399933Z
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@0x00 BETA!
(DIR) Post #9sanILOoKBBuQ4ydma by 0x00@social.panthermodern.net
2020-03-02T09:27:54Z
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@igeljaeger @alyx @a7 ❌ gay❌ hetero❌ bisexual❌ rich❌ poor❌ handsome❌ ugly✅ igel
(DIR) Post #9sanRhpSIh88afu6q0 by alyx@jpop.club
2020-03-02T09:29:36.777567Z
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@igeljaeger @0x00 I generally attributed it more to the narcissistic desire to be special. But it's very possible insecurity has a role in this too.
(DIR) Post #9sanVGZpZ4wjEDIFfM by alyx@jpop.club
2020-03-02T09:30:15.528691Z
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@0x00 @igeljaeger @a7 I may or may not be igelsexual. :airilaugh:
(DIR) Post #9sanZ4Jh5eGWMVYhHM by Ox@dickkickextremist.xyz
2020-03-02T09:30:56.851557Z
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@0x00 @alyx @igeljaeger it's called being bisexual honey, people's feelings don't change their sex
(DIR) Post #9sanajA0ieijKIouzA by 0x00@social.panthermodern.net
2020-03-02T09:31:14Z
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@alyx @igeljaeger It's funny trans people start demanding trans rightsAs if non-trans people don't deserve rights, or as if non-trans people are already privileged.Obviously I support trans rights, as human rights, because regardless of what they identify with, they're first and foremost human. But that doesn't sell as many books and newspapers. So "trans rights" it is.
(DIR) Post #9sanehYIdmJnUs4mzw by 0x00@social.panthermodern.net
2020-03-02T09:31:57Z
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@Ox @alyx @igeljaeger I disagree. Bisexual and pansexual are two different concepts.
(DIR) Post #9sanh2Z1UU3NF6Wuky by 0x00@social.panthermodern.net
2020-03-02T09:32:22Z
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@alyx are you a qt anime grill with big tiddy? @igeljaeger @a7
(DIR) Post #9sanmTSytYSa7xILcu by Ox@dickkickextremist.xyz
2020-03-02T09:33:21.666584Z
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@0x00 @alyx @igeljaeger pansexual is a special word that bisexuals use to signal that they're woke bae . source: used to call myself it when I cared about looking woke
(DIR) Post #9sanoHMoqq4zBHH0ZU by alyx@jpop.club
2020-03-02T09:33:40.862614Z
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@0x00 @igeljaeger With trans-rights, there needs to be a very detailed discussion as to what we include in trans-rights.>having a toilet for your specific demographic>not a right>not being discriminated against when getting a job>a right
(DIR) Post #9sanqkhgkWgOkJDKqG by 0x00@social.panthermodern.net
2020-03-02T09:34:06Z
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@Ox @alyx @igeljaeger Well if it wasn't clear by now I don't give a shit what people think of me, but I still consider myself pansexual.You're free to hate me on that basis.
(DIR) Post #9sanrWEy0cEGB894jo by alyx@jpop.club
2020-03-02T09:34:16.689117Z
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@0x00 @igeljaeger @a7 No... :cirnoPout:
(DIR) Post #9santBVA5PNsRBVxmS by Ox@dickkickextremist.xyz
2020-03-02T09:34:35.083341Z
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@0x00 @alyx @igeljaeger uh, why would I hate you
(DIR) Post #9sanxvNXSTyZsgD1iS by 0x00@social.panthermodern.net
2020-03-02T09:35:25Z
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@alyx @igeljaeger I think separating bathrooms by genitalia was a stupid idea to begin with.Like, it is probably done so that males don't peek at naked females in changing rooms. Changing rooms I sort of understand, but stuff like restaurant bathrooms is just stupidity.
(DIR) Post #9sanz9IBDIqbK4Houm by 0x00@social.panthermodern.net
2020-03-02T09:35:39Z
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@alyx @igeljaeger @a7 then igel won't like you, sorry.
(DIR) Post #9sao0hniOf78dfmMOe by 0x00@social.panthermodern.net
2020-03-02T09:35:56Z
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@Ox @alyx @igeljaeger Nah I don't mean you specifically.
(DIR) Post #9saoBOKZ7ujxRGEwVc by kakol@freespeechextremist.com
2020-03-02T09:37:52.860147Z
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@0x00 @tuxcrafting shut the fuck up goy
(DIR) Post #9saoHXjv3cP8ME24QK by 0x00@social.panthermodern.net
2020-03-02T09:38:57Z
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@kakol @tuxcrafting oy vey
(DIR) Post #9saoRjp4zG3UjFJ7D6 by alyx@jpop.club
2020-03-02T09:40:49.476236Z
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@0x00 @igeljaeger @a7 I'll just stay forever in his friendzone.whatever meh.webp
(DIR) Post #9saoWEOTGdY2hW0IyG by 0x00@social.panthermodern.net
2020-03-02T09:41:35Z
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@alyx @igeljaeger @a7 do you need a hug?
(DIR) Post #9saoZ7332BlomuMDvk by alyx@jpop.club
2020-03-02T09:42:09.452515Z
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@0x00 @igeljaeger @a7 Nah, I'm fine.
(DIR) Post #9saodNj0yKChfW1Szo by igeljaeger@jpop.club
2020-03-02T09:42:55.289120Z
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@0x00 @alyx youre underestimating the perverseness of some men
(DIR) Post #9saoiGjsNDvjRvkvuC by igeljaeger@jpop.club
2020-03-02T09:43:47.710147Z
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@alyx @0x00 @a7 reminder that Im not actually an asian girl
(DIR) Post #9saoozAW68Q6z1Q5BY by alyx@jpop.club
2020-03-02T09:45:00.736591Z
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@igeljaeger @0x00 @a7 Don't worry. We'll make you into an asian woman. We have the technology. :akkolul:
(DIR) Post #9sapErplzSURlT3gBM by 0x00@social.panthermodern.net
2020-03-02T09:49:36Z
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@alyx @igeljaeger @a7 azn whaman
(DIR) Post #9sapQE17r1sLkXmgcK by igeljaeger@jpop.club
2020-03-02T09:51:44.826419Z
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@alyx @0x00 @a7 I dont wanna be one. I wanna have one
(DIR) Post #9sapWrUQ0eW3uPeNpw by igeljaeger@jpop.club
2020-03-02T09:52:56.076933Z
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@alyx @0x00 @a7 and looking at how men do in japan, theyre either the hardest to get females in the world, or their men are even more pathetic than euro numales
(DIR) Post #9sapjqwbLgNPyw1l1k by 0x00@social.panthermodern.net
2020-03-02T09:55:17Z
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@igeljaeger @alyx @a7 Asian females are not that difficult to get tbh, especially for non-asian males. As usual, people are driven towards "exotic" genes.But masculinity in Asia is a very different concept from what we think of masculine bodies in Western societies. It is even more fucked up in China where old, fat males are associated with being filthy rich (because their families didn't starve during Mao's great famine).
(DIR) Post #9sapsvBEy617j5CNs0 by igeljaeger@jpop.club
2020-03-02T09:56:55.992698Z
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@0x00 @alyx @a7 Maoism is based and redpilled. They survived because they werent filthy capitalists obviously
(DIR) Post #9saq2hcqDgAaaAlz1c by kakol@freespeechextremist.com
2020-03-02T09:58:43.246827Z
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@0x00 @Ox @alyx @igeljaeger imagine getting turned on by pans lol 🍳 :satania1:
(DIR) Post #9saq6MsdIAgHOsuIee by 0x00@social.panthermodern.net
2020-03-02T09:59:22Z
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@kakol @Ox @alyx @igeljaeger lmaoshut the fuck up nigger
(DIR) Post #9saqLCcTisPHvCQOCe by kakol@freespeechextremist.com
2020-03-02T10:02:03.836506Z
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@0x00 @Ox @alyx @igeljaeger :satania1:randomTemp12278323813137882836.…
(DIR) Post #9saqNeB6ESp1yImfdA by alyx@jpop.club
2020-03-02T10:02:29.656404Z
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@0x00 @kakol @Ox @igeljaeger I'll have to agree. The "pans-sexual" is a bad meme.
(DIR) Post #9saqNwR0M4EwaqMcvA by igeljaeger@jpop.club
2020-03-02T10:02:32.520148Z
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@kakol @0x00 @Ox @alyx >brave
(DIR) Post #9saqQCQTrz0SllCBXc by alyx@jpop.club
2020-03-02T10:02:57.448632Z
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@igeljaeger @kakol @0x00 @Ox Stunning and brave. lol
(DIR) Post #9saqQVaOdLEAC0ys8O by crunklord420@kiwifarms.cc
2020-03-02T10:03:00.704650Z
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@kakol @0x00 @Ox @alyx @igeljaeger based
(DIR) Post #9saqWhVjD7ewujkZAe by kakol@freespeechextremist.com
2020-03-02T10:04:08.497383Z
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@igeljaeger @0x00 @Ox @alyx Why yes I AM stunning and brave, how could you tell?
(DIR) Post #9saqcQFMJKV56lp0RU by 0x00@social.panthermodern.net
2020-03-02T10:05:09Z
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@kakol @Ox @alyx @igeljaeger fixed
(DIR) Post #9saqg1hPWIRS8Lf3cu by kakol@freespeechextremist.com
2020-03-02T10:05:49.643016Z
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@0x00 @Ox @alyx @igeljaeger needs more jpeg
(DIR) Post #9sar06vzlUriA73mi0 by 0x00@social.panthermodern.net
2020-03-02T10:09:26Z
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@kakol @Ox @alyx @igeljaeger better?
(DIR) Post #9sar4iIsllVzDcxaS0 by kakol@freespeechextremist.com
2020-03-02T10:10:17.290766Z
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@0x00 @Ox @alyx @igeljaeger much better
(DIR) Post #9sbGU8GJtGppp0ykHg by Kat@pleroma.topcat.io
2020-03-02T14:54:53.263406Z
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@0x00 @Ox @alyx @igeljaeger > Bisexual and pansexual are two different conceptsI mean, if you strictly follow the definition, then that's true. But, in the real world, the vast majority of bisexual people could also be considered pansexual.Also, lots of pansexual people (including me) tell others that they're bi simply because it's a far more common term, and the two terms are similar enough that it doesn't really matter.> I think separating bathrooms by genitalia was a stupid idea to begin with.100% agree. It kinda makes sense for bathrooms with multiple stalls, but it's pointless for single-stall bathrooms.> as if non-trans people are already privileged.That kinda is the case though. A lot of trans rights issues are either not an issue for cis people, or they're something that cis people already have.> It's not like I understand the whole concept of non-binary myself eitherI have a pretty rough understanding of non-binary stuff, but from what I know, it's just when you feel like being male *or* female doesn't fit you, and that you'd prefer being somewhere inbetween the two.> I love how that basically implies trans-people are neither male nor female, as if they're some weird abomination of nature. Lmao. Seriously though, a better way of explaining the difference between bi and pan would be this: Bisexual is being attracted to two or more genders, while pansexual is attraction regardless of gender.> chads and alphas dont give a shit about software. So theyd never be hereLmao, true.> Why is everyone on Fedi so obscenely submissive?As someone who's following a wide variety of completely different people, I feel like your experience doesn't really match up with mine. There's tons of people on here who aren't like that.
(DIR) Post #9sbGfxgv1EeCVm3q0e by igeljaeger@jpop.club
2020-03-02T14:57:07.699977Z
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@Kat @0x00 @Ox @alyx lol gay
(DIR) Post #9sbGxUYg4avpMzZ6Zs by 0x00@social.panthermodern.net
2020-03-02T15:00:12Z
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@Kat @Ox @alyx @igeljaeger > That kinda is the case though. A lot of trans rights issues are either not an issue for cis people, or they're something that cis people already have.As @alyx points out, some stuff is labelled as a right when in reality it isn't. For example, there's no right for having to be serviced at a certain shop, if this specific shop caters to a specific gender (remember the case of the female trans who sued a female beauty salon for rejecting waxing her testicles?) or being called the correct pronoun. It is nice to be called the pronoun you prefer, but sometimes cis males also get misgendered in an attempt to ridicule them for not living up to the standards of male gender normativity. This is a non-issue, like when you get insulted. Those people are assholes, sure, but it is a complete non-issue.> As someone who's following a wide variety of completely different people, I feel like your experience doesn't really match up with mine. There's tons of people on here who aren't like that.There are surely dominative personalities on Fedi, but I feel like the majority of Fedi in general are just leaning towards submission.
(DIR) Post #9sbH6AtWYHHEzRSLlQ by igeljaeger@jpop.club
2020-03-02T15:01:50.876657Z
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@0x00 @Kat @Ox @alyx which is why theyre so easy to bully
(DIR) Post #9sbIDgMa3BqsZNBtnE by leyonhjelm@freespeechextremist.com
2020-03-02T15:14:26.740516Z
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@alyx @0x00 @igeljaeger there is no such thing as trans rights.
(DIR) Post #9sbIN15ENn0PREWidU by igeljaeger@jpop.club
2020-03-02T15:16:06.044882Z
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@leyonhjelm @alyx @0x00 gamer rights. gamer bathrooms. gamer social areas. gamer bars. gamer political parties. gamer social support (for buying games). GAMER RIGHTS
(DIR) Post #9sbIVk3r2YMDFd2l6G by leyonhjelm@freespeechextremist.com
2020-03-02T15:17:42.575539Z
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@alyx @0x00 @igeljaeger rejecting relationships with transgender people probably has less to do with gender than with mutilation and mental and/or personality disorders
(DIR) Post #9sbIlyXOz5jwmabYp6 by leyonhjelm@freespeechextremist.com
2020-03-02T15:20:38.595389Z
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@igeljaeger @0x00 @alyx that is way more plausible than anything trans.
(DIR) Post #9sbIqGV88fyXeZaVDE by 0x00@social.panthermodern.net
2020-03-02T15:21:23Z
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@leyonhjelm @alyx @igeljaeger Being trans doesn't unequivocally imply you have any kind of illness. In fact I'd say it's more likely you have mental illnesses if you unironically, unconditionally support Trump than if you want to change your dick into a vagina.
(DIR) Post #9sbIrHM6RpBiaoqgO8 by igeljaeger@jpop.club
2020-03-02T15:21:35.214223Z
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@leyonhjelm @0x00 @alyx thank you for supporting gamer rights, gamer ally
(DIR) Post #9sbItFAdXgVSOaQFSC by igeljaeger@jpop.club
2020-03-02T15:21:56.441052Z
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@0x00 @leyonhjelm @alyx peak society
(DIR) Post #9sbKTVAbdMF2OdGFBg by leyonhjelm@freespeechextremist.com
2020-03-02T15:39:42.887476Z
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@0x00 @alyx @igeljaeger You are welcome to hold your wrong opinion.
(DIR) Post #9sbM2RrI2PQCDPSC7E by alyx@jpop.club
2020-03-02T15:57:12.639834Z
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@Kat @0x00 @Ox @igeljaeger >A lot of trans rights issues are either not an issue for cis people, or they're something that cis people already have.I am open to accepting this, but these nebulous "trans rights issues" need to be properly listed and discussed one at a time. On too many occasions I just see people invoke the phrase "trans rights" without actually discussing what these individual rights would be, and how they're not currently being addressed. >but from what I know, it's just when you feel like being male *or* female doesn't fit you, and that you'd prefer being somewhere inbetween the two.The problem I have with this way of thinking is that it implies that "gender norms" are strict and it encourages and enforces acceptance of narrow gender stereotypes. I'd rather have people say "being a man/woman isn't that narrow of a thing, it also includes me, even if I'm this different from the average man/woman". I believe that if we continue down this path of "non-binary" thinking, we'll again reach a point where "man" and "woman" only mean some very old, biblical, primitive ideas of those things, and everything else is non-binary. We'd basically play into the hands of fundamentalists that are already trying to force men and women to only adopt some very traditional roles in society. >Bisexual is being attracted to two or more genders, while pansexual is attraction regardless of gender.Sounds more accurate, but ultimately I'm seeing the same result, in that gender won't be a limiting factor. Also: there are only 2 genders. I am open though to the concept of "agender". But as "atheism" means the lack of a belief in gods, "agender" would mean the lack of a gender, and thus would technically not be a gender in itself. But agender could be useful to describe robots or AIs.
(DIR) Post #9sbML9eHxuH1F0IBto by alyx@jpop.club
2020-03-02T16:00:36.312892Z
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@leyonhjelm @0x00 @igeljaeger I'm not gonna argue with you. That might very well be the case. But I don't find it useful for me to exclude the possibility from the start. You do you.
(DIR) Post #9sbMMHPUau1xbNuMYS by alyx@jpop.club
2020-03-02T16:00:48.593874Z
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@igeljaeger @leyonhjelm @0x00 Gamer lefts.
(DIR) Post #9sbMkXQufmokFK8jZo by alyx@jpop.club
2020-03-02T16:05:11.042510Z
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@leyonhjelm @0x00 @igeljaeger Personally, as far as I'm concerned, it ultimately has to do with reproduction capability. Even if I don't want kids currently, I would rather not make a decision that might shoot me in the foot in the future. Just like I wouldn't get a vasectomy just because I don't want kids currently, I would try to pursue a relationship with someone that at least might be fertile and able to bare children. A trans-woman won't be able to do that. A trans-man is likely to be sterile from the transition, but even if they're not, I'm not attracted to men anyway. :akkoshrug:
(DIR) Post #9sbMuBaUkTnrODDpXE by alyx@jpop.club
2020-03-02T16:06:56.388201Z
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@0x00 @leyonhjelm @igeljaeger I wouldn't call it a mental illness, but dysphoria is technically a mental condition. Also, if you never suffered from gender dysphoria, you're not trans. This is not up for debate for me.
(DIR) Post #9sbNLRgH1Sat7WvJAm by leyonhjelm@freespeechextremist.com
2020-03-02T16:11:52.426091Z
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@alyx @0x00 @igeljaeger Note, I specified disorder, not illness. I also specified or personality disorder.fd08af6b5fd8011df7725387eaec864…
(DIR) Post #9sbNTIbUef8ZHjQrpo by leyonhjelm@freespeechextremist.com
2020-03-02T16:13:17.581839Z
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@alyx @0x00 @igeljaeger Exclude the possibility of what? Everything trans activists demand is a privilege, not a right.
(DIR) Post #9sbNXFwYUIYkC0AeB6 by alyx@jpop.club
2020-03-02T16:13:59.978108Z
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@leyonhjelm @0x00 @igeljaeger Did a double-check, you did say disorder. Thanks for the correction.
(DIR) Post #9sbO4HCGqeQDdWGbMu by 0x00@social.panthermodern.net
2020-03-02T16:19:57Z
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@alyx @igeljaeger @leyonhjelm I am not debating that.Regardless, dysphoria is an illness just like depression and social anxiety.
(DIR) Post #9sbODoT2WDztQfeq3c by 0x00@social.panthermodern.net
2020-03-02T16:21:41Z
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@alyx @leyonhjelm @igeljaeger sex reassignment surgery, or genital mutilation.
(DIR) Post #9sbOEDYDG7zRDxGp5k by alyx@jpop.club
2020-03-02T16:21:45.525552Z
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@0x00 @igeljaeger @leyonhjelm I was just making sure, since I've seen cases of people claiming to be trans, but then saying that they don't have disphoria over their body. 100% agree.
(DIR) Post #9sbOP1aW4pw1J7V7hY by alyx@jpop.club
2020-03-02T16:23:42.936874Z
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@0x00 @leyonhjelm @igeljaeger Thanks. Technically you could probably "reconstruct" some of it, but the end result would probably be even less satisfying than the original sex reassignment surgery.
(DIR) Post #9sbORN17NKN0Lc3unQ by 0x00@social.panthermodern.net
2020-03-02T16:24:08Z
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@alyx @leyonhjelm @igeljaeger they may be nonbinary, femboys, tomboys, or whatever the fuck, but definitely not trans.
(DIR) Post #9sbOl9CATRg1Guf3EO by 0x00@social.panthermodern.net
2020-03-02T16:27:42Z
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@alyx @leyonhjelm @igeljaeger MtF SRS is a very long and painful process for which you have to use dildos of increasing size regularly in order to stretch the newly made vagina. Once the vagina is stretched up to a point I guess you can consider the SRS finished. Many months or perhaps years will have gone by then, and now you want to discard all of that and start all over again?I suppose you technically can do it, but realistically speaking I doubt it is within the realm of possibilities especially because if your surgery was subsidised by socialised healthcare, the doctors will have interviewed you enough to make sure you're absolutely certain of what you want to do, and that you in fact feel like the opposite gender you were assigned at birth.
(DIR) Post #9sbP70w5rWWw1jZMR6 by alyx@jpop.club
2020-03-02T16:31:38.991382Z
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@0x00 @leyonhjelm @igeljaeger Unfortunately I am aware of more than enough details of the MtF procedure. Even of the potential unfortunate side effect of a particular unpleasant smell (to say the least) your "vagina" can have. But regardless of all that, a lot can be done with enough surgery, so I don't think even after all that it would be technically impossible. Just highly unlikely.
(DIR) Post #9sbPeXNwEpVyDqZwKu by leyonhjelm@freespeechextremist.com
2020-03-02T16:37:44.049719Z
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@alyx @0x00 @igeljaeger The fact that people are even considering the argument of "reversible" mutilation of this sort says everything about the cultism that the trans ideology really reflects.
(DIR) Post #9sbPtlRSG3EgA7U4sS by 0x00@social.panthermodern.net
2020-03-02T16:40:28Z
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@leyonhjelm @alyx @igeljaeger it's called a conversation.
(DIR) Post #9sbQBmFhz0Xdt9Zy9A by leyonhjelm@freespeechextremist.com
2020-03-02T16:43:44.496601Z
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@0x00 @alyx @igeljaeger I think you misunderstood the comment. I'm saying that superficial surgeries are the only kind of surgery anyone really talks about voluntarily reversing. This, and occasionally the removal of like a ruptured or otherwise problem-causing breast implant (and I'm against those too except in context of reconstructive surgery)
(DIR) Post #9sbb8t1LSe6fVVgWtk by Kat@pleroma.topcat.io
2020-03-02T18:46:23.621187Z
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@alyx > I am open to accepting this, but these nebulous "trans rights issues" need to be properly listed and discussed one at a time. Sure, I'd be willing to do that. The message would be long enough that I'd probably have to separate it from the general discussion though.> On too many occasions I just see people invoke the phrase "trans rights" without actually discussing what these individual rights would be, and how they're not currently being addressed. Lol, I see this happen all the time too, even among many of my friends.> I'd rather have people say "being a man/woman isn't that narrow of a thing, it also includes me, even if I'm this different from the average man/woman". Yeah, that would be nice. > I believe that if we continue down this path of "non-binary" thinking, we'll again reach a point where "man" and "woman" only mean some very old, biblical, primitive ideas of those things, and everything else is non-binary.Eh, I don't think it would go that far. Sure, I could see that mentality happening on some places like Tumblr, but I really doubt things are going to change that much for the average person. > Sounds more accurate, but ultimately I'm seeing the same result, in that gender won't be a limiting factor. Yeah, the two terms are really similar. > there are only 2 gendersEh, I feel like the best way of thinking about gender would be on a spectrum, instead of two binary options. There are people who tend to lean towards one specific side (males or females), or people who tend to be close to the center (non-binary people).> agender could be useful to describe robots or AIs.Eh, most human-like robots/AIs are gendered, so I don't think that's much of an issue.@0x00 @Ox @igeljaeger