Post 9sL6aL68fD95Kqi5eS by michel_slm@social.coop
 (DIR) More posts by michel_slm@social.coop
 (DIR) Post #9sJLATlYvJ7XgbIDIm by mike_hales@social.coop
       2020-02-18T14:46:26Z
       
       0 likes, 1 repeats
       
       The half-arsed argument about 'privacy' and data analytics>Supporters of the National Security Agency inevitably defend its sweeping collection of phone and Internet records on the ground that it is only collecting so-called “metadata” — who you call, when you call, how long you talk. Since this does not include the actual content of the communications, the threat to privacy is said to be negligible.The military says: "We kill people based on metadata."https://www.nybooks.com/daily/2014/05/10/we-kill-people-based-metadata/
       
 (DIR) Post #9sJLAU6peE8OkZFCSG by michel_slm@social.coop
       2020-02-22T19:03:19Z
       
       0 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @mike_hales what saddens me is we still have no widespread, #privacy preserving #openstandard replacement for protocols like email that protects metadata.Sure there are secured #E2EE messaging apps like @signalapp but- they are silo-ed, not federated- messaging is less structured than email#Matrix addresses the silo concern but not the second. And encryption is optional there.
       
 (DIR) Post #9sJLAUUwCbPtxKWS1o by imattau@fosstodon.org
       2020-02-22T23:22:36Z
       
       0 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @michel_slmTry Delta chat... https://delta.chat/en/@mike_hales
       
 (DIR) Post #9sL6aL68fD95Kqi5eS by michel_slm@social.coop
       2020-02-23T19:48:39Z
       
       0 likes, 1 repeats
       
       @imattau @mike_hales I'm on it. Doesn't solve the metadata problem though, it runs on top of normal emails so all the SMTP servers your mails pass through know who is talking to whom
       
 (DIR) Post #9sLFycZoEISg57F2TQ by imattau@fosstodon.org
       2020-02-23T21:33:55Z
       
       0 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @michel_slmMaybe Briar might do what you're looking for?https://f-droid.org/app/org.briarproject.briar.android@mike_hales
       
 (DIR) Post #9sRuiajYsqqOlUVTIe by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
       2020-02-27T02:38:19Z
       
       0 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @michel_slm > encryption is optional [on Matrix]According to the @matrix devs, that's a temporary situation. They are working on getting encryption working in a way that doesn't break #UX. It would be cool to see encryption turned on by default for 1=1 chats as a first step, since it doesn't affect the UX of those nearly as much as in group chats, especially large rooms with bridges to other networks.@mike_hales @signalapp
       
 (DIR) Post #9sRuvsGJ1f34tN9k6C by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
       2020-02-27T02:39:33Z
       
       0 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @michel_slm > encryption is optional [on Matrix]According to the @matrix devs, that's a temporary situation. They are working on getting encryption working in a way that doesn't break #UX. It would be cool to see encryption turned on by default for 1=1 chats as a first step, since it doesn't affect the UX of those nearly as much as in group chats, especially large rooms with bridges to other networks.@mike_hales
       
 (DIR) Post #9sRvLmDK8Qv7fC72Q4 by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
       2020-02-27T02:45:34Z
       
       0 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @michel_slm > messaging is less structured [in Matrix] than emailIn the current clients (#Riot etc), but AFAIK there's nothing stopping the development of new Matrix clients with a more email-like UX. In theory, an offline mail client like #Thunderbird could be forked and ported from email/ #UseNet/ #RSS protocols to Matrix, with the normal mail UI used for 1=1 mails, and the newsreader UI used for group mails. @mike_hales
       
 (DIR) Post #9sSNKeNgZMfPnUD6v2 by hambibleibt@todon.nl
       2020-02-27T07:59:02Z
       
       0 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @strypey @michel_slm @mike_hales can it hide the metadata, "who's comunicating with whom?
       
 (DIR) Post #9sSdYhLZwA7CJhwfxI by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
       2020-02-27T11:00:56Z
       
       0 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @hambibleibt TL;DR not yet. Here's what the developers said at the start of this year:"... we’re looking into solving metadata protection in Matrix by experimenting with hybrid P2P / Client Server models - letting users store their metadata purely clientside if they so desire, and potentially obfuscating who’s talking to who via mixnets of blinded store & forward servers ... the default ‘server’ would be the one running on your client."https://matrix.org/blog/2020/01/02/on-privacy-versus-freedom@michel_slm @mike_hales