Post 9s2HTgDI1TUT9yGEIC by Gina@fosstodon.org
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(DIR) Post #9s1z2jxYBjwLmhu4eG by danslerush@fosstodon.org
2020-02-14T13:39:41Z
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Dear IT workers, are you about to #burnout ? 💊https://burnoutindex.org
(DIR) Post #9s22adlE2dAKGezkJM by ndegruchy@fosstodon.org
2020-02-14T15:04:23Z
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@danslerush 🤔 There are days that I dream of becoming a baker. Or anything really, something other than IT.
(DIR) Post #9s24JYP6u7JMdidBg0 by danslerush@fosstodon.org
2020-02-14T15:23:42Z
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@ndegruchy It seems yes, and if I can reassure you (or not) I'm in this case 🙄
(DIR) Post #9s24jt2umQrCBlo1IW by ndegruchy@fosstodon.org
2020-02-14T15:28:28Z
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@danslerush I don't think it's entirely attributable to "IT", though.People have become, as a whole, more demanding. They want things now and don't care about the supply side costs or human factors.I think IT (especially support-focused roles) exacerbates the issue by being the target of people's anger, regardless of the problem's actual source.
(DIR) Post #9s24s0jW5EoALYbe2C by ndegruchy@fosstodon.org
2020-02-14T15:29:56Z
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@danslerush For example: you see a lot of similar kind of burn out in service-related industries, where people have to handle customers who are not happy.Consumerism, capitalism and the "me me me, now now now" economy is killing us.
(DIR) Post #9s24xGB45axBh6zjay by mike@fosstodon.org
2020-02-14T15:30:44Z
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@danslerush I won't say that these results are a surprise. I feel like there are a lot of people in this industry that are in similar situations.For the record this has nothing to do with #Fosstodon. It's become my sanctuary from my real job, and where I come to relax and enjoy myself.
(DIR) Post #9s2DqOMu8VdketKg2C by danslerush@fosstodon.org
2020-02-14T17:10:30Z
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@ndegruchy You made a point, clearly. But in my opinion, there's other thing : the loss of meaning, of purpose un what we do
(DIR) Post #9s2E2kZTPeq0zh6WyO by danslerush@fosstodon.org
2020-02-14T17:12:33Z
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@mike Oh gosh ! Yes I see what you mean, like myself with FOSS things I'm passionnate and there's the "pay bills" job 😌
(DIR) Post #9s2GAlxaKgVbWiKrQ0 by mike@fosstodon.org
2020-02-14T17:36:23Z
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@ndegruchy I would agree in theory, but I also think that there's things about IT in particular that exacerbate the situation. I worked a service job when I was in college, and I hated it. When my shift was over, I went home as fast as possible and I dreaded going to work every single day.Now, I'm an "IT Professional", and my work day doesn't end. I'm on call 24/7/365, and that "end of day" I looked forward to in my service job never comes. I'm not unique in this position.@danslerush
(DIR) Post #9s2HTgDI1TUT9yGEIC by Gina@fosstodon.org
2020-02-14T17:50:44Z
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@mike @ndegruchy @danslerush Same, sometimes I miss the dull but uncomplicated service jobs I had as a teenager.
(DIR) Post #9s2HZjeCAUpZY0jVnE by ndegruchy@fosstodon.org
2020-02-14T17:52:13Z
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@Gina @mike @danslerush I remember one job where I was manning the register for Christmas rush and I ended up doing a 12 hour shift -- I don't remember most of it because my mind just slipped away while my body did the mechanical work required. Someone woke me up for shift change and that was that.Pretty surreal.
(DIR) Post #9s2HvIJsS805AAVfFI by Gina@fosstodon.org
2020-02-14T17:56:07Z
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@danslerush *opens bottle of wine*
(DIR) Post #9s2I49GJUuM7g644PY by Gina@fosstodon.org
2020-02-14T17:57:28Z
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@danslerush Welp *opens bottle of wine*
(DIR) Post #9s2IUvygzoCKIRax3A by Gina@fosstodon.org
2020-02-14T18:02:34Z
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@danslerush @ndegruchy which is kind of a 'luxury worry' if you think about it.
(DIR) Post #9s2IzjZv9BGsoih8c4 by selea@social.linux.pizza
2020-02-14T18:08:07Z
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@danslerushLel, got a 4.7
(DIR) Post #9s2J9bXbst3wmmJvyi by selea@social.linux.pizza
2020-02-14T18:09:59Z
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@ndegruchyOh me too, would love to be a gardener@danslerush
(DIR) Post #9s2LlPy3Yv3XntqhzU by mike@fosstodon.org
2020-02-14T18:38:55Z
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@Gina I don't miss the jobs, but I do miss the "end of day" I used to get with those where I could unplug and not think about it. I think it's probably just time to move away from the "constant on call" scenario. Even my current job wouldn't be horrible if I could just leave and not worry about it for a while. @ndegruchy @danslerush
(DIR) Post #9s2NEgSVQZIVInbuym by Tayo@fosstodon.org
2020-02-14T18:55:31Z
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@mike @Gina @ndegruchy @danslerush 2nd that.
(DIR) Post #9s2Nh7jpb3hS14H9FY by FreePietje@x0f.org
2020-02-14T19:00:30Z
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@mike @ndegruchy @danslerush @Gina "I'm on call 24/7/365, and that 'end of day' I looked forward to never comes."This is IMO the crux of the problem. And it's not restricted to IT. Or just work.Society nowadays expects you to be reachable at any time. Your boss sends an email at 21h? You'd better read it promptly. And possibly respond as well.When I go out to dinner, I turn off my phone. In return I get weird looks from anyone that notices it. How many tables are phone-free? Yeah, exactly
(DIR) Post #9s2QnC5AeqIL5bqKky by emanuel@mastodon.emanuelpina.pt
2020-02-14T19:35:24Z
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@GinaIs this test only valid for IT workers? I'm pediatric nurse but (just for fun!) I took the test and got a 5.3 out 6. I can't say I'm surprised 😕@danslerush
(DIR) Post #9s2RH0n1CzPykkZRfU by Trussell@mastodon.social
2020-02-14T19:40:57Z
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@ndegruchyI'm sharing this with all my Anglican clergy colleagues. Burnout is quite a big issue for us. @danslerush
(DIR) Post #9s2RcQfqAOkb73QSqu by ndegruchy@fosstodon.org
2020-02-14T19:44:50Z
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@Trussell I imagine anyone having to, to put it bluntly, deal with everyone else's crap -- has this problem. Heap on the demands of the modern business or organization not only being close to 24/7, but in many cases also international and suddenly you're being required to be "on" all the time.As much as I tout quiet hours and no phones at the table etiquette, I still have to be on call for VIP issues and when that phone dings, I context switch into work mode.
(DIR) Post #9s2T2pJLHyT70U3OEq by FreePietje@x0f.org
2020-02-14T19:05:29Z
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@mike @ndegruchy @danslerush @Gina This in turn means that people don't get to relax and wind down.This all leads to stress. And sleeping disorders, like insomnia. That's also the reason why the recommendation is to create/have a (pre-)sleep routine. Wind down your activities and by doing the same thing every night, you prepare you body and mind that sleep is coming.Actually you're teaching your body/mind that, which is a disturbing thing to acknowledge as it should become natural.
(DIR) Post #9s2T2poBRJ8eY8U1JI by mike@fosstodon.org
2020-02-14T20:00:34Z
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@FreePietje I've actually had a thing for work lately that "requires" I get 8 hour of sleep a night. That NEVER happens, but to fake it out I've been putting my phone on the charger every night a few hours before I go to bed. It's been interesting for me because I've been sleeping better and feeling better since I've done that. I'm not sleeping significantly more, but better. After the work thing is over, I'm probably going to keep doing it.@ndegruchy @danslerush @Gina
(DIR) Post #9s2Ykz3ytJExlVkApU by FreePietje@x0f.org
2020-02-14T21:04:35Z
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@mike That's indeed unusual and I wouldn't be surprised (and I hope) that it'll become more common. The amount of people with (some kind of) a sleeping disorder is staggering. And I think what's related, the amount of people with #burnout. Read not long ago that 1 in 6 people aged 18-35 (in .nl) were suffering from burnout or severe burnout.Your body and mind need rest to recuperate for the next day(s).More sleeping tips: https://x0f.org/@FreePietje/103385785731044234@ndegruchy @danslerush @Gina
(DIR) Post #9s2YtqCTDHEksowCmW by FreePietje@x0f.org
2020-02-14T21:06:13Z
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@mike That's indeed unusual and I wouldn't be surprised (and I hope) that it'll become more common. The amount of people with (some kind of) a sleeping disorder is staggering. And I think what's related, the amount of people with #burnout. Read not long ago that 1 in 6 people aged 18-35 (in .nl) were suffering from burnout or severe burnout. 1 in 6 ‼️ Your body and mind need rest to recuperate for the next day(s).More sleeping tips: https://x0f.org/@FreePietje/103385785731044234@ndegruchy @danslerush @Gina
(DIR) Post #9s2gT3zacotJTQehge by danslerush@fosstodon.org
2020-02-14T22:31:06Z
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@Gina Yes totally, I plaid guilty ... maybe this everyday feeling of doing only executive tasks, I have to create/code but on closed plateforms for big tech sellers 😔 @ndegruchy
(DIR) Post #9s2gyn8SplkMSYw46i by danslerush@fosstodon.org
2020-02-14T22:36:54Z
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@Gina Damn (and cheers 🤪). Please be careful and step back
(DIR) Post #9s2hKjXItfhjfR16dk by danslerush@fosstodon.org
2020-02-14T22:40:48Z
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@Gina Damn (and cheers 🙄). Please be careful and step back
(DIR) Post #9s2hR5OkWkyBD02q0W by danslerush@fosstodon.org
2020-02-14T22:41:58Z
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@selea 🖖😯
(DIR) Post #9s2i0uRiiy1dfNW4US by chriswiegman@tekton.network
2020-02-14T22:48:19Z
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@Gina @danslerush *reaches for a beer. :/
(DIR) Post #9s30fDc8fwtfsClBR2 by normandc@fosstodon.org
2020-02-15T02:17:28Z
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@ndegruchy @danslerush I have to say the less happy I've ever been at my job was when I had to deal with customers. That was in manufacturing.By temperament I like to "do my thing" and not be disturbed too much, I guess most IT work wouldn't be for me.On the other hand, I spent much of my free time for 9 years helping others on an online forum for a FOSS software. But I finally kind of tapped out last year.