Post 9rJQFaOS9PTSRsIvTc by portpupper@social.sakamoto.gq
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(DIR) Post #9rJ7VOmTCCGrw9Mf20 by wraidd@sunbeam.city
2020-01-23T17:32:31Z
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One thing I'm definitely getting awful sick of is people/leftists conflating "religion" with Christianity, as if there aren't literally thousands of other faith traditions.Stop being so goddamn Christian supremacist.
(DIR) Post #9rJ7VPPoptkLuBm5Me by wraidd@sunbeam.city
2020-01-23T17:37:02Z
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And yes, I mean Christian supremacist -- whether you're atheist, agnostic, or Christian, if the only faith you ever recognize or respond to is Christianity you're helping advance the narrative that Christianity is the only "real" faith and no other faiths matter or are valid. I know you're culturally Christian since growing up in a Christian supremacist framework is just as unavoidable as growing up in a white supremacist framework in the West, but you gotta analyze, critique, and decolonize that shit.
(DIR) Post #9rJ7VPwQsdpnXL28CO by wraidd@sunbeam.city
2020-01-23T17:44:59Z
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Oh, and atheism is a religion just as much as Christianity is -- your belief that there is no God is still a belief, it can't be proven or disproven any more than the existence of God or the divine can be proven or disproven. Your certainty is based on faith whether you see it or not.
(DIR) Post #9rJ7bmoyj7ZeEbaFv6 by portpupper@social.sakamoto.gq
2020-01-23T22:58:37.582818Z
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@wraidd Agnosticism is the real realm of the faithless. If you want furthe proof that atheism is a religion, just check out /r/atheism (especially around 2012)
(DIR) Post #9rJ7eQzcLBWvP5p4Gu by kittybecca@masto.jews.international
2020-01-23T17:37:44Z
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@wraidd also Christianity has a huge influence on the atheist left, and acknowledging this is key to thinking critically about one's own biases
(DIR) Post #9rJ7eRN0wCFGZelkjw by kittybecca@masto.jews.international
2020-01-23T17:38:44Z
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@wraidd not everything Christian is inherently bad, but it's necessary to realize where a lot of beliefs and attitudes come from, good and bad
(DIR) Post #9rJ7eRhvgQyXcWYSLA by wraidd@sunbeam.city
2020-01-23T17:39:04Z
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@kittybecca Oh I absolutely agree with that
(DIR) Post #9rJ7eS4cK57iktAZhg by kittybecca@masto.jews.international
2020-01-23T17:42:42Z
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@wraidd e.g. a lot of people would do well to recognize that it's very christian to place such a strong emphasis on believing the right thing, on having the correct view and knowing that it's correct without doubt, on purity of thoughts and intentions, etc.
(DIR) Post #9rJQFaOS9PTSRsIvTc by portpupper@social.sakamoto.gq
2020-01-24T02:27:30.525792Z
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@kittybecca @wraidd My general impression of lots of online athiesm™ is that it's largely based on anti-Catholicism that generalizes itself as DAE Christianity = le bad? More than that, it feels like most of the atheist advocates are motivated by resentment at their parents for making them go to church instead of watch cartoons. They bring up valid problems with Christianity (or religion in general) but never follow-through on the implications to their "solutions". I'll give examples in a separate post with a CW (because it'll need one).
(DIR) Post #9rJS6CigzzvOKQQQaG by portpupper@social.sakamoto.gq
2020-01-24T02:48:13.269103Z
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@kittybecca @wraidd 1. "Why don't the churches sell their downtown cathedrals and give the money to the poor?"In an ideal world, the cathedral is a space for all. There are plenty of stories about churches that do not live up to their savior's command to respect the dignity of the poor (usually by using hostile architecture to prevent the homeless from sleeping in their entryways even when no one else would be at the church). However, a properly-functioning historic church will have architecture, quiet, and an organ that can be enjoyed by all.Selling that property and buying somewhere cheap to make a one-time donation to the poor means the following:• The original property is now either demolished or been converted into seven condos for the wealthy and is enjoyed by no more than 28 people (assuming all seven go to families of 4, and even then each unit only gets part of the true architecture of the place).• The church is now moved to some second-rate construction in the suburbs and surrounded by 4 acres of parking lots. The parishioners are in a lesser building and the poor no longer even have theoretical permission to enjoy the old architecture. Furthermore, the poor become an abstracted other instead of "we're doing a second collection for the soup kitchen in our basement"• Due to the relocation costs and parishioners not following along with the move, there will be a much smaller one-time donation than anticipated.Finally, what is never brought up is any serious discussion of "at what land price would a church have the moral obligation to sell their downtown property to give the difference in land value to the poor"?2. "DAE le Catholic priest = child molesters LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL"This one is dangerously ignorant and a complete misunderstanding of the Catholic sex abuse scandal. The systemic cover-up is a unique evil infesting the Catholic Church, not (unless I'm shown strong evidence otherwise) a higher rate of rapists among the clergy when compared to other denominations or religions. It instead often is brought up as "sex abuse scandal, therefore religion = bad" or "therefore Catholicism is somehow worse than normal religion" and feels to me that most people who bring it up on online discussion forums are more interested in the quick rhetorical points than a meaningful discussion on how to prevent the creation of new victims, even when they claim otherwise.