Post 9rFrATc3qyi06LcMgS by phbarre@mastodon.zaclys.com
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(DIR) Post #9qhnQ4X4BDvb48Oc9w by fitheach@mstdn.io
2020-01-05T22:47:50Z
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I agree with Iain Macwhirter."Scots did not vote to leave the European Union. They did not vote to lose their EU citizenship, with all the protections that brings. They did not vote to cut EU immigration; did not vote to accept trade deals with the United States; did not agree to the diminution of environmental standards; and did not vote to be subjected to untrammelled Tory rule from Westminster.Thatโs really all the SNP need to say. Voters will do the rest."#politics #Brexit #SNP #Yes
(DIR) Post #9qhpGbsBZ76xTxtFRY by matt@oslo.town
2020-01-05T23:08:11Z
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@fitheach I'm English and my admiration for #Scotland ๐ด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ณ๓ ฃ๓ ด๓ ฟ is easy higher than for #England ๐ด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ฅ๓ ฎ๓ ง๓ ฟAs much as I'd liked to see the whole of #Europe ๐ช๐บ coming together as one, I very much understand Scotland and #Wales' ๐ด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ท๓ ฌ๓ ณ๓ ฟ desire for independence.
(DIR) Post #9qigJw0kRaLqNYMjTs by fitheach@mstdn.io
2020-01-06T09:02:59Z
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@matt Well, I don't know what happened in Wales with the EU referendum vote, it was similar to the vote in England, a narrow Leave majority. However, they are catching up fast with independence support.The thing that annoys me is that we are constantly told the UK is a union of equals, but Scotland's 62% Remain vote has been totally disregarded.
(DIR) Post #9qiiOz8sQhuLRihhT6 by TheBeastOfBaglan@toot.wales
2020-01-06T09:26:23Z
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@fitheach @matt I voted leave, as did most people I know. Don't forget Wales is ALOT poorer than Scotland. Poor places generally voted Leave.
(DIR) Post #9qijfbxPz2NiPtpsvY by fitheach@mstdn.io
2020-01-06T09:40:34Z
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@TheBeastOfBaglan That, in a nutshell, is the argument *for* independence. After 800 years of a "union" with England, Wales is still relatively poor. Compare Wales with small independent nations like Denmark, Norway, Finland, and, most apposite, Ireland and you will find those countries have far higher living standards. Principally, because those small countries can focus on their own needs, not those of their next-door neighbour.@matt
(DIR) Post #9qikHYP3e80YOirAY4 by TheBeastOfBaglan@toot.wales
2020-01-06T09:47:30Z
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@fitheach @matt Agree 100% ๐
(DIR) Post #9qtzRRaYj87QUu298y by lillyput@banana.dog
2020-01-11T05:59:18Z
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@fitheach Scots did not vote to stay in EU, more Scots voted out than voted SNP, Scots voted to stay in the UK and abide by a UK referendum. Stop the whining and look forward to a great future outside the EU.
(DIR) Post #9rFrATc3qyi06LcMgS by phbarre@mastodon.zaclys.com
2020-01-22T09:09:51Z
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@fitheach @TheBeastOfBaglan @matt If I follow you, these "smaller" countries (in population at least) can focus on their own needs and not those of their neighbours, while being part of the European Union... That's one more nail in the Brexit grave, isn't it ?
(DIR) Post #9rGs7P4Aaz4KFAp8Nc by fitheach@mstdn.io
2020-01-22T20:55:35Z
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@phbarre It works in every situation. If things were done specifically for Wales then the outcome is likely to be better for that country. One of the advantages the EU brings is access to a larger market (internal & external) through the Single Market and Customs Union. While at the same time individual countries can manage their own economies. @TheBeastOfBaglan @matt
(DIR) Post #9rIQERwZt1FynLlR5c by phbarre@mastodon.zaclys.com
2020-01-23T14:52:19Z
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@fitheach Many people would beg to differ : common market often meaning common rules and loss of sovereignty for individual nations. In France these days, protest is very strong against the "dictatorship" of the European union forcing individual countries to give up on some of their specificities (public services, pension systems, state raiways being privatized...) So "managing one's own economy" might be percieved as wishful thinking.
(DIR) Post #9rIQSxhoaqDDMBmM1w by phbarre@mastodon.zaclys.com
2020-01-23T14:54:58Z
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@fitheach Many people would beg to differ : common market often meaning common rules and loss of sovereignty for individual nations. In France these days, protest is very strong against the "dictatorship" of the European union forcing individual countries to give up on some of their specificities (public services, pension systems, state raiways being privatized...) and the President appears either powerless, or submissive. So "managing one's own economy" might be percieved as wishful thinking.
(DIR) Post #9rKYMJEhKj4Y3RPzKi by fitheach@mstdn.io
2020-01-24T15:33:01Z
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@phbarre Some of those things may be true, however the SM & CU is still an enormous pull for all European countries. Even Norway & Switzerland, who aren't EU members, still want access.For all its faults the EU is far less controlling than Westminster. The EU may not have been happy about the UK having a referendum, but they didn't try to prevent it. Compare this with Boris Johnson denying Scotland the same democratic choice.