Post 9r02ZOYHMoImCsD3tg by ReSistingPink@spinster.xyz
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(DIR) Post #9qzc6ZupRMYkFDM6k4 by ReSistingPink@spinster.xyz
2020-01-14T13:06:07Z
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PSA:Please note if you share stuff from 'life site news' you are supporting a 'pro-life' (anti women's reproductive health) religious fundamentalist site. They are not pro feminism. They are anti woman.I myself have made the same error and shared a couple of articles from there in the past before I realised.(Just saying this in case anyone feels the same as I do about clear lines. )Like -it's not worth giving them clicks over JY's latest dumb antics and that's for sure.
(DIR) Post #9qzd0gftUsm3QM7nyC by Finitumus@spinster.xyz
2020-01-14T13:16:14Z
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@ReSistingPink We can make a copy of their page at sites like https://web.archive.org/ and share the archived link.Religious fundamentalist sites aren't our friends, of course, and they are anti-women but they don't afraid to call the JY and others like him out and that allows us to keep a record. When the atheist progressive sites will do the same, I'd be glad to share staff from them.
(DIR) Post #9qzdO6f32wqmgCtdEu by AthenasWrench@spinster.xyz
2020-01-14T13:20:29Z
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@ReSistingPink - Problem is no left wing sites (except the Marxist ones) post anything about the trans shit except fawning lies.
(DIR) Post #9qze5OgFvUbP1C6Ukq by tuibguy@spinster.xyz
2020-01-14T13:28:13Z
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@ReSistingPink I agree that they are not friends to feminists, nor is Federalist, TownHall, etc. They publish GC stuff for a couple of reasons. One is that it serves as a wedge to between traditional progressive constituencies, and the other because of their adversion to anything that falls out of traditional sex roles. They publish GC articles not because they support GLB, but because they group GLBTQ++ and this is a way of tearing away at the rights of GLB people, in their mind.
(DIR) Post #9qzltWfjBhA5xghuCG by ReSistingPink@spinster.xyz
2020-01-14T14:55:48Z
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Ah now, the post millennial carries everything about Yaniv. I've seen the exact same story written there. I also see plenty of GC stuff written about transing children and their medical treatment, for example, in the Guardian and the Times. Inconsistent for sure. Tonnes of blogs to be shared. But right wing sites are absolutely not the only places. And is it still worth it? The Daily Caller gets shared here. Breitbart gets shared too. I don't think anything is worth giving them clicks. just imo. @AthenasWrench
(DIR) Post #9qzm4KM3K7WewgeeY4 by ReSistingPink@spinster.xyz
2020-01-14T14:57:45Z
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Yup! Exactly this💯. We can't go against our own self interests for a few words written with a very clear agenda against us in the lcomments by run. @tuibguy
(DIR) Post #9qzmWGw5czTaS0ptBI by AthenasWrench@spinster.xyz
2020-01-14T15:02:39Z
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@ReSistingPink - I'm an outlier then. Two things I will not do - care too much about the feelings of TRAs attacking women all over the place (I'm tired of TRAs policing my words) and police links that are posted. We are not left with a lot of choices. I think women here are more than smart enough to know what side of the fence they are on. If it is an issue I will usually archive the link then post it, to avoid clicks. But in all honesty I don't think we can afford purity politics when we are fighting for our very existence. I appreciate and respect 100% what other's view are on this but for me, imo we cannot afford to be so pure when it comes to such a dangerous movement. However I do agree, do not give them clicks. Archive and post the archive link. On this you are 100% right. They don't deserve the ad revenue from clicksI use http://archive.is/ to create links.
(DIR) Post #9qzp386HhP3WVpOqjw by Keef@glindr.org
2020-01-14T15:31:07Z
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@ReSistingPink @tuibguy Agree. It’s comparatively easy for conservatives/right leaning people to be fine with going across the political spectrum for their gender critical views/opinions; however, on the left, if you share sources that are perceived as right wing (in some cases because those sources really are virulently right wing, and as misogynistic in their own way as anything trans activism does) then left leaning people won’t convince any other left leaning people whatsoever.(Side note - I also really, really wish that transgender trend had a different name, for similar reasons. They have some really, really good resources, but that name is a real barrier and automatically gets people’s guards up if they’re not already on board - if someone had sent me a link to a site called “transgender trend” before I’d actually thought about the subject at length, I would have dismissed it out of hand
(DIR) Post #9r021bZETBFgj9Xk1Y by ReSistingPink@spinster.xyz
2020-01-14T17:56:31Z
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😅-okWell, I, for one, don't feel the need to click/share blatantly homophobic xenophobic white supremacist sources like Breitbart/lifesite news/the daily caller etc. It's no wonder we are all painted as conservative right wingers when sources like these are held up as being 'on our side'.I see some don't care. That's absolutely their prerogative. But I'd urge anyone who is not sure about the source of an article to check the bias of the source with something like mediabiasfactcheck.com or allsides.com and it will tell you what you're promoting. I think there are plenty of blogs and sources that aren't anti-LGB etc writing about this without giving the TRAs fuel for their fire. I'm not buying 'they're the only ones' anymore. This isnt personal towards anyone. I promise. And I may feel a certain way about women who don't care who they align with, but I respect everyone's right to fight this how they wish. It's simply how I feel about being painted as right wing. I could never wilfully side with that type of ideology any more than I can with gender ideology. 🤷🏼♀️. @DejaVu @Fullycaffeinated @AthenasWrench
(DIR) Post #9r02ZOBEkTs13PQeyu by DeadBreakfast@glindr.org
2020-01-14T16:50:42Z
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@Keef @ReSistingPink @tuibguy there's been a few times recently where an article has really grabbed my interest, then after looking around the source site I've chosen to not post, because the sites in question have been incredibly right-wing. The left are just too afraid to offend or upset. Which is in and of itself, quite offensive.
(DIR) Post #9r02ZOYHMoImCsD3tg by ReSistingPink@spinster.xyz
2020-01-14T18:02:37Z
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Same. I just have to make my own stand now because I'm seeing the sharing of such stuff ramping up. And maybe some don't even realise it tbh, But I've been anti sources like those for far longer than I've been GC and I just can't go there. 😞@DeadBreakfast @Keef @tuibguy
(DIR) Post #9r02gMgMiTSOR3JcTg by ReSistingPink@spinster.xyz
2020-01-14T18:03:54Z
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Agree💯@Keef @tuibguy
(DIR) Post #9r02oviAMZPNOPF3VQ by AthenasWrench@spinster.xyz
2020-01-14T18:05:27Z
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@ReSistingPink @DejaVu @Fullycaffeinated - Sorry what? Aligning? I'm not aligning with the right if I share an occasional article. That's disingenuous. Anyways, this topic always bring out horrible accusations so I bow out.
(DIR) Post #9r04M6TfSJ58IGqIfg by Eleanor@spinster.xyz
2020-01-14T18:22:33Z
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@ReSistingPink @DejaVu @Fullycaffeinated @AthenasWrench I agree all of us who believe in dignity and human rights for all human beings need to band together. To leave it to extreme right will accomplish only one thing which will leave undone that more than kicking male bodies out of female spaces needs to be done to protect human rights of children and marginalized groups. e.g. hierarchical religions have long history sexually abusing children and women. We all need to be aware what short comings of people and groups we work with. In my research I use whatever sources I can find - and at same time try to sort out what is the bias of my sources. For example Rebel News has reputation for being conservative right-wing. While I appreciate their efforts to track the alleged pedophile Jessica Yaniv I am also wondering what will Rebel News do to protect and enhance safety for children and women when this battle is done? Will they be as eager to report on vulnerability/struggles of immigrant women when it is not Jessica Yaniv harassing them? It is at times a delicate balance determining how much if any one can collaborate with whom. Perhaps at times pragmatism calls for standing with the devil so long as one is not compelled to agree with all they stand for. e.g. traditionally right wing conservative entities are giving platform for lesbians to speak out as lesbians on panels re: the issue of males in private female spaces and the increasingly exponential rise of medically transitioning of teenage lesbians.
(DIR) Post #9r0FEKxSpevuNqHLge by WrenWinx@glindr.org
2020-01-14T15:53:20Z
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So what about the really revealing article in the Daily Mal the other day about the academic Richard Hoskins and how he was fast tracked into transition by the NHS? That's a really important article and I know that many people won't read it purely because it's Daily Mail. If we're not sharing these points of views from the sources that will write about them are we not just pandering to the bubble think that got so many people so entrenched in this ideology in the first place? Once upon a time I got all my information from the Guardian.... It wasn't reading Guardian that got me out of that loop. @Keef @ReSistingPink @tuibguy
(DIR) Post #9r0FELcwLS6sSTgTKq by Keef@glindr.org
2020-01-14T19:47:16Z
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@WrenWinx @ReSistingPink @tuibguy in terms of actually making a practical attempt to change somebody’s mind, when the person whose mind you want to change is left/progressive, the medium is hard top separate from the message, and so I definitely wouldnt use a daily mail link to change anyone’s mind, because for many, by virtue of being on the daily mail (and not on the guardian) they’ll dismiss it. I dont mind reading links myself, and taking from them what I can. But ultimately, saying “look at this daily mail story” will never convince anyone who has a reasonable belief that the daily mail are full of shit
(DIR) Post #9r0FEM5ech4vtX7P5k by ReSistingPink@spinster.xyz
2020-01-14T20:24:28Z
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I also think gutter press/ rags like Daily Mail are really tabloid-y, but I see a marked difference between rags like the Daily Mail and those with a very clear alt-right /far right agenda like Bannon's Breitbart/ and Tucker Carlson's Daily Caller. @Keef @WrenWinx @tuibguy
(DIR) Post #9r0ZnKfHucWKh1k2FM by Pinstripe@spinster.xyz
2020-01-15T00:14:54Z
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This is a really interesting discussion and something that was on my mind today for many of the same reasons you’ve all mentioned. Since I went down this rabbit hole I’ve read more articles in the right wing uk papers, the telegraph and mail and express...I’ve even read articles in the sun! Generally I don’t click on breitbart articles and it was bugging me today, but it’s down to the fact the so called left wing press don’t publish the stories or if they do it’s in cult speak. It’s difficult with media from other countries as it’s not always possible to know the politics of a paper, I’ve found myself reading articles and then noticing the stuff around it and clicking away quickly. If it’s something I want to verify I’ll try and find another credible (!) source for sharing. I remember on Twitter I would share a lot of GC stuff from people who had radically different outlooks to me. Including Caroline Farrow who’s views on other things conflicted to the point where I chose to unfollow her. The trouble is that an issue like this is 51% of the population are going to have radically different viewpoints and outlooks and they are going to conflict. It’s down to personal choice, what you choose to share and what you choose to read, who you choose to follow, and when you need to silence some opinions. I did this around the election with the very useful mute button, to be unmuted afterwards. Spinster has in a lot of ways taught me to be more tolerant and patient, it’s been good for me, because in order to fight this monster we have to be. 🙏🏼💚@ReSistingPink
(DIR) Post #9r0bcrpcSWEeHRiB6m by ReSistingPink@spinster.xyz
2020-01-15T00:35:26Z
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Absolutely down to personal choice💯Nobody can push that share button apart from the individual. I just needed to say it out loud for my own conscience and maybe give others pause to consider their own decisions and alert them to the types of media being subsumed and normalised. I myself am guilty of mindlessly reposting things just because they reinforce my own narrative, absolutely. It's just my own, personal, stand. Nobody ought to feel threatened by what I think but it certainly has elicited some passionate responses. I like this. I like to know where everyone stands. It's hard to tell friend from foe in this single issue forum and so debates like this give me good insight into where everyone is coming from. @Pinstripe
(DIR) Post #9r1id0iKKPL6fLHATg by WrenWinx@glindr.org
2020-01-15T12:30:23Z
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I see what your getting at but a lack of critical thinking and drip fed information is how we got here. I’d rather put the material out there... the softly softly hearts and minds approach isn’t really working. The look what is going on effect does seem to be. @Keef @ReSistingPink @tuibguy
(DIR) Post #9r1id1Agcy1a5IXogK by ReSistingPink@spinster.xyz
2020-01-15T13:28:37Z
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I think sharing sources that advocate white supremecy, xenophobia and a clear anti LBG bias displays an awful lack of critical thinking. I don't think that is being softly softly. I think that is being rational and not losing our humanity just to win a debate which will be won on its merits anyway and not by embedding with those who wish to harm us at the end of the day. @WrenWinx @Keef @tuibguy