Post 9qwTpgmpG7ldWXAUIi by setthemfree@mamot.fr
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(DIR) Post #9qwJEF7KAg65S7GI4G by tao@cursed.technology
2020-01-12T22:42:00Z
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@tastytea here's a list of all the instances they crawled, if you want to ctrl-F to find out if you're included... https://pastebin.com/3i0hjCyB
(DIR) Post #9qwMcjIBvos5qsiEng by leip4Ier@niu.moe
2020-01-12T23:28:18Z
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@tastytea do i understand correctly that now anyone can get a list of user handles (much easier than a list of posts), hash them using whatever algorithm the publication authors used and just depseudonymize the dataset? (even calling it anonymized is plain technically incorrect)
(DIR) Post #9qwMsJ9ksA6TQSC8lU by a7@pleroma.mouse.services
2020-01-12T23:31:17.656379Z
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@tastytea oh wow public post were archived… wild
(DIR) Post #9qwNEOQPxprs8ZWHIm by leip4Ier@niu.moe
2020-01-12T23:35:08Z
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@tastytea > Recently, given the latest scandals regarding the violation of privacy and the widespread publication of inappropri- ate contents in online social media, research on decentral- ized social networks is experiencing a new and fast grow- ing interest. In fact, decentralized social networks return to individual users or groups of users not only their personal data, but also the control over their contents.yeah, i mean, thanks for ruining that for us. a social network corporation didn't violate your privacy? it must be fixed!
(DIR) Post #9qwOC89pZjS53kFKgy by leip4Ier@niu.moe
2020-01-12T23:45:55Z
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@tastytea oh fuck. thank you for letting us know, i hope in the end they get into trouble for this.
(DIR) Post #9qwOvA4jIAKS2RKgMq by 444.koyu@koyu.space
2020-01-12T23:43:21Z
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@tao @tastytea they will hear from my lawyer. and this is not a joke.
(DIR) Post #9qwOvAOw52UZ36morY by dielan@shitposter.club
2020-01-12T23:54:13.818678Z
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@koyuWho's they I cant see the whole thread
(DIR) Post #9qwP38oBsyDgQUOxoO by mewmew@busshi.moe
2020-01-12T23:55:41Z
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@dielan @koyu the guy who wrote that hilarious paper that I posted a few months ago and got all those wordclouds made
(DIR) Post #9qwP4oeBoe0yTaWRf6 by mewmew@busshi.moe
2020-01-12T23:56:00Z
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@dielan @koyu this isn't even news this happened last year lol
(DIR) Post #9qwP5hdjM3KN25jM5A by amphetamine@social.wxcafe.net
2020-01-12T23:07:13Z
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@tastytea i notice their paper only includes 3 visibility settings, has anyone figured out what those are and disabused them about "public" posts?
(DIR) Post #9qwP5hvSI9VPv41Vi4 by amphetamine@social.wxcafe.net
2020-01-12T23:14:42Z
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@tastytea let me go ahead and say that i'm happy to contribute to an open letter to the journal if you want to get one going
(DIR) Post #9qwP5iI8vneb3Qdd4a by er1n@social.mecanis.me
2020-01-12T23:31:23Z
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@amphetamine @tastytea sorry that i misinterpreted the dataset and paper and posted rashly urging caution, lol. i'm just used to people on here going off on stuff like this before checking the setanyway it might be productive to send a letter to the UMilan IRB too
(DIR) Post #9qwP5inL3obicBEXhI by er1n@social.mecanis.me
2020-01-12T23:38:36Z
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@amphetamine @tastytea "Since the Mastodon user may be unaware of their data be-ing public and reusable for research purposes we disposedof the information about the users and we fully anonymizedthem by hashing the Mastodon user identifier."the datafiles they give have intact uri fields so i don't think that helps at all since those have the user in them??
(DIR) Post #9qwP5j1WD5wxK9rrnc by er1n@social.mecanis.me
2020-01-12T23:42:58Z
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@amphetamine @tastytea okay i'm pretty sure that this is assuming "implicit consent" which is a No No with IRBs. however!!! this may not be the kind of study that "needs" irb review.it probably violates the GDPR though, and definitely some kind of institutional data ethics policy. i do work collecting behavioral data (with consent!) and we have to be really really careful with that even though it's not even under IRB review so? they could _definitely_ get in trouble if even one person whose stuff got in the scrape were to state that they didn't consent
(DIR) Post #9qwP5jMQxKgEN1eZOq by er1n@social.mecanis.me
2020-01-12T23:49:47Z
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@amphetamine @tastytea okay, useful links:research ethics committee of uni milan https://www.unimi.it/en/research/research-lastatale/policies-and-principles/ricerca-e-innovazione-responsabile-rri/research-ethicspage with more about it and contact links (all italian) https://www.unimi.it/en/node/4492019 code of ethics (it) https://www.unimi.it/sites/default/files/2019-05/Codice%20etico%202019.pdf2019 code of ethics (en) https://www.unimi.it/sites/default/files/2019-07/Code%20of%20Ethics%20and%20for%20Research%20Integrity%20%28EN%29.pdf
(DIR) Post #9qwP5jgzit7vOnGzRo by er1n@social.mecanis.me
2020-01-12T23:54:04Z
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@amphetamine @tastytea useful stuff:art 16.1, Feasibility, and social and environmental impact: "Should the project likely produce a significant impact on the objects of the research or, in general, on society, the environment or the biosphere, researchers shall responsibly examine the potential impact, providing details of these assessments in the appropriate documentation". which they sort of did, but not really25.1, Protection of persons involved in research: "Researchers shall pay due respect to all persons involved in their research, without compromising their health, the wellbeing of the community, and the safety and healthiness of the environment in which they work."(cont)
(DIR) Post #9qwP5k7w6ig4kLsVRQ by er1n@social.mecanis.me
2020-01-12T23:54:29Z
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@amphetamine @tastytea and here's the fucking kicker:26.1, Informed consent: "Without prejudice to the principle of due respect for human dignity and autonomy, should theresearch entail the involvement of recruited participants, the research leader ensures that applicable norms on informed consent are respected, with special regard to incompetent subjects or, in any event, to individuals unable to give consent."which they did not do! so they grossly violated UMilan's ethics code and they _absolutely_ can get in trouble
(DIR) Post #9qwPHOzQWMSsfKSQ3U by mewmew@busshi.moe
2020-01-12T23:58:06Z
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@tastytea @tao aren't you an anarchist? lolto file a lawsuit you need to prove damages
(DIR) Post #9qwPMfUCcCmnHBMbHk by Ste1lar@niu.moe
2020-01-12T23:30:08Z
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@tao @tastytea @Miaourt shit we're in it
(DIR) Post #9qwPVO5medhpw76Epk by FirstProgenitor@sanguine.space
2020-01-12T23:22:38Z
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@tastytea yikes 😬 what instances?
(DIR) Post #9qwPVOLjhKSyjaYyhM by compufox@social.computerfox.xyz
2020-01-12T23:40:17Z
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@FirstProgenitor @tastytea downloaded the instance list and here they are(these may not be exactly correct, but they are what was in the 'domain' section of the instance json)4estate.media843.plabdl.ioabdl.linkacg.mnactivism.openworlds.infoafu.socialaleph.landamicable.feoh.organarchism.spaceand.theydonts.topanime.websiteanticapitalist.partyap.kios.ccappdot.netartalley.pornasonix.dogaus.socialawoo.pubawoo.spacebanana.dogbangdream.spacebeach.citybeepboop.onebibeogaem.zonebigshoulders.citybirb.siteblog.fami.gabne.socialboardgames.socialboop.townbsd.networkbugs.socialcampaign.openworlds.infocanine.cloudcanislupus.imcap.moecascadia.socialcatgirl.sciencecdmx.rockscga.graphicschaos.socialcheeky.redcmx.imcoales.cocofe.moecomputerfairi.escomradical.netcontact@mastoc.netcrazynoisybizarre.towndaf.ugdallassports.fansdeadinsi.dedizl.dedjs.socialdonphan.socialdonteatanimals.orgdotgr.iddragon.styledre.casaearfolds.comedolas.worldeldritch.cafeelectro.socialelekk.xyzembracing.spaceen.osm.townequestria.socialeupublic.socialeventideparlour.masto.hostextranet.palaven.spacefellies.socialffm.socialfloss.socialfosstodon.orgfreedom.horsefree-le.infofreespeech.firedragonstudios.comfreespeech.hostfurry.engineerg0v.socialgamemaking.socialganesha.masto.hostgirlcock.clubgrand-duchy.netgreenpencil.socialguimik.frhackers.townhcxp.cohex.bzhispagatos.spacehostux.socialiamveryti.redican.codesicosahedron.websiteidevs.ididf.socialieji.deilovela.inimaginair.esimastodon.orgim-in.spaceinanna.xyzins.mastalab.appis.a.qute.dogkanoa.dekarass.ideali.shkcmo.socialkelnet.socialkicou.infoknzk.me@kopiti.amkopiti.amkoyu.spacekpop.sociallaserdisc.partylayer8.spacelazy8.sociallesbiab.spacelewd.townlgbt.iolgbtq.coolliberalism.masto.hostliberdon.comlinernotes.clublinuxrocks.onlinemaildoggo.netmakerdon.orgmakerz.socialmaly.iomammouth.cafemamot.frmast.datamol.orgmastd.racingmasto.dev.hostmastodon.acc.sunet.semastodon.alexkeating.memastodon.artmastodon.atmastodon.ateliershiori.moe@mastodon.baucum.memastodon.bitpage.demastodon.care-tags.orgmastodon.clubmastodon.codingfield.com@mastodon.com.plmastodon.conxtor.commastodon.crazypanda.frmastodon.cryptodont.iomastodon.earthmastodon.freifunk-muensterland.demastodon.futa.moemastodon.gamedev.placemastodon.htcraft.mlmastodon.kebree.frmastodon.ketchupma.iomastodon.lolisandstuff.moemastodon.me.ukmastodon.nlmastodon.nspes.camastodon.nzmastodon.openchessbooks.orgmastodon.opportunis.memastodon.org.esmastodon.org.ukmastodon.partecipa.digitalmastodon.peshane.netmastodon.pirateparty.bemastodon.rocksmastodon.roflcopter.frmastodon.sandwich.netmastodon.santoyo.iomastodon.sergal.orgmastodon.sfgreens.orgmastodon.socialmastodon.starrevolution.orgmastodont.catmastodontech.demastodon.technologymastodonten.demastodon.teppelin.frmastodon.transneptune.netmastodon.utwente.nlmastodon.uymastodon.xyzmastodon.zonemasto.inkson.orgmasto.jigoku.eumasto.ptmastoton.fimathstodon.xyzm.bonzoesc.netmd.os.vumeemu.orgmeow.socialmetalhead.clubm.hitorino.moemiaou.drycat.frm.laitues.netmonsterpit.netmotogp.spacemspsocial.netmst3k.interlinked.memstdn.humstdn.iomugwort.xyzmyles.lifemytoot.de@negotiator@vulturion.com@nfg.zonenghieng.netnicepeople.socialnihilist.spaceniu.moenorden.socialnrd.lioccult.campoc.todon.froctodon.socialoldbytes.spaceopensocial.africaouin.landpenis.socialphpc.socialpifke.socialpipes.socialpipou.academypleroma.chirno.techpleroma.sitepl.quic.frplural.cafeplush.citypl.veryamt.compony.socialpouet.itps.s10y.eupsychoactive.spaceqdon.spaceqoto.orgqueer.afqueer.cloudqueer.hacktivis.mequeer.partyquey.orgr3bl.socialradical.townrcsocial.netreal-escape.jpred.confederac.ioredroo.mlredwombat.socialrettiwtkcuf.socialrly.wtfroad42.socialroughseas.xyzrthome.meruby.socialruhr.socialrva.partyscholar.socialscicomm.xyzscifi.fyiscramble.cityseeds.void.gardensektori.orgshiro.dogshitter.mesleeping.townsmusi.chsn.angry.imsnow-crash.orgsocel.netsocial.anoxinon.desocial.art-software.frsocial.avareborn.desocial.bau-ha.ussocial.buffalomesh.netsocial.chinwag.orgsocial.cofe.spacesocial.coopsocial.csswg.orgsocial.e-code.insocial.homunyan.comsocial.i2p.rockssocial.illegalpornography.comsocial.ksite.desocial.lescorpsdereve.spacesocial.linux.pizzasocial.masto.hostsocial.nasqueron.orgsocial.projectmakeit.comsocial.simcu.comsocial.targaryen.housesocial.tchncs.desocial.tcit.frsocial.tedkulp.comsocial.thevillage.chatsocial.tilde.teamsocial.toromino.desocial.wiuwiu.desocial.wxcafe.netsociety.oftrolls.comsosh.networksquid.cafestatus.dissidence.ovhstinkt.onlinesunbeam.cityswitter.atswitter.nlsysadmin@mastodon.xtenz.xyztabletop.socialtalk.houbahouba.detaz.fandom-mastodon.comtenforward.socialthe.resize.clubthevillastraylight.comthe.wired.sehol.sethraeryn.nettilde.zonetodon.nltoot.berlintoot.cafetoot.chattooting.chtoot.iserv4.metoot.krinetzki.detoot.lovetoot.lutootplanet.spacetoot.qag.metoot.sitootsocial.comtoot.worldtravel-friends.chatuelfte.clubunixcorn.xyzuwu.socialvegaia.socialvidja.socialviolet@chitter.xyzvis.socialvorlon.spacevulpine.clubwandering.shopwebdev.networkwhitespashe.ukwitches.livewitchey.clubwrasstodon.prowriting.exchangewww.frei.socialwww.sosial.euwxw.moex0r.bexy.ag
(DIR) Post #9qwPVOeAanDBelBhQm by cdmnky@pl.seedy.xyz
2020-01-13T00:00:34.378454Z
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@compufox @FirstProgenitor @tastytea so all my niu posts from 2018 are in here, yikes
(DIR) Post #9qwQhtQO5TiSXbGPj6 by mewmew@busshi.moe
2020-01-13T00:14:15Z
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@Ste1lar @Miaourt lol - remember the trend of instance wordclouds that happened a couple of months ago? that was because I posted this paper.this isn't a big deal.
(DIR) Post #9qwQjyEpA67G35qV72 by Ste1lar@niu.moe
2020-01-13T00:14:38Z
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@mewmew @Miaourt i hope
(DIR) Post #9qwQnd9LVfc5nq1paa by mewmew@busshi.moe
2020-01-13T00:15:18Z
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@Ste1lar @Miaourt yeahif you're posting seriously private stuff on public you should expect it to be scrapednot that this isn't crappy but this shouldn't be a surprise
(DIR) Post #9qwR3sm9BHzatmvXNI by dredmorbius@mastodon.cloud
2020-01-13T00:07:06Z
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@tastytea This is a contentious issue.EFF: EFF to Court: Accessing Publicly Available Information on the Internet Is Not a Crimehttps://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2017/12/eff-court-accessing-publicly-available-information-internet-not-crimeNinth Circuit Doubles Down: Violating a Website’s Terms of Service Is Not a Crimehttps://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2018/01/ninth-circuit-doubles-down-violating-websites-terms-service-not-crimeDear Canada: Accessing Publicly Available Information on the Internet Is Not a Crimehttps://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2018/04/dear-canada-accessing-publicly-available-information-internet-not-crime‘Scraping’ Is Just Automated Access, and Everyone Does Ithttps://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2018/04/scraping-just-automated-access-and-everyone-does-itBased on: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=site%3Aeff.org+web+scraping&ia=web
(DIR) Post #9qwR3tAbiLYg7eN4V6 by dredmorbius@mastodon.cloud
2020-01-13T00:09:43Z
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@tastytea Fact remains that what's publicly accessible will all but certainly be accessed. And much of Mastodon postings *is* public.I'm not addressing the moral, ethical, or research dimensions. And I honestly don't know where GDPR falls on this. But access to public (and private) content can be highly socially beneficial, see #PanamaPapers and #Whistleblowing generally.It's also been a huge part of the work *against* resurgent fascism and media manipulation, #KateStarbird and others.
(DIR) Post #9qwR4ek0qWo1f4IViC by shad@pipou.academy
2020-01-12T23:36:36Z
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Poke @Sylvhem @milia
(DIR) Post #9qwR4fJohPRhS736WG by Sylvhem@eldritch.cafe
2020-01-13T00:02:31Z
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@shad J’ai vu, mais il n’y a pas grand chose à faire. On ne peut pas vraiment empêcher des gens d’étudier des posts publics :/.@milia
(DIR) Post #9qwR4fmWyePktAU2HA by shad@pipou.academy
2020-01-13T00:04:07Z
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@Sylvhem Moui et non, pour moi l'aspect "public" n'équivaut pas à "autorisation d'exploitation". Du coup je vais faire une veille de si des recours sont possibles, peut-être qu'une lettre pour leur faire remarquer que y'a 300+ admins qui grognent les ferait déjà réfléchir. @milia
(DIR) Post #9qwR4gSMT7sIyu3RTc by Sylvhem@eldritch.cafe
2020-01-13T00:06:11Z
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@shad Mais c’est une étude de ce que dise publiquement des gens. Je ne sais pas, j’ai pas lu le papier mais je ne sais pas si ça me choque tant que ça j’avoue.@milia
(DIR) Post #9qwR4gzKUYFKd9Tlrc by aearil@pleroma.site
2020-01-13T00:11:24.429372Z
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@Sylvhem @shad Je l'ai lue, déjà niveau scientifique, niveau conclusions, c'est un peu le vide ce papier. Et en suite faire une étude ça te donne pas carte blanche pour jouer avec les données des gens, NORMALEMENT ton expérience est validée par un commité d'éthique quoi. Parce que là ils ont beau dire qu'ils ont anonymisé le dataset, en vrai il y a toujours les URI avec les noms des gens dans le dataset.Je suis pas avocate, mais c'est pas franchement GDPR friendly de publier ça
(DIR) Post #9qwS4zRtxFplq8Y7Zw by 444.koyu@koyu.space
2020-01-13T00:29:37Z
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@mewmew @dielan i do sure hope they deleted the data with smashing and drilling the hard drives
(DIR) Post #9qwS86Gv2mj5rxtZku by drwho@hackers.town
2020-01-13T00:30:10Z
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@mewmew @Ste1lar @Miaourt This. If it's public, someone will find a way to exploit it.
(DIR) Post #9qwS8utynpgEtaYTa4 by mewmew@busshi.moe
2020-01-13T00:30:21Z
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@koyu @dielan nah it's up for download and you can grab it if you want - but it's only from Jan 2018
(DIR) Post #9qwSCEyMdXaa0qBt0y by 444.koyu@koyu.space
2020-01-13T00:30:56Z
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@mewmew @dielan i do think this isn't gdpr compliant
(DIR) Post #9qwSET9StGSwZERhTc by mewmew@busshi.moe
2020-01-13T00:31:21Z
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@koyu @dielan yeah, but gdpr wasn't enforced back then :blobcatshrug: so it's a gray area
(DIR) Post #9qwSWztvrpkzLn11Hs by 444.koyu@koyu.space
2020-01-13T00:34:41Z
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@mewmew @dielan well the content was still licensed under the terms of not using them outside measurements aka inside the fediverse network or keeping a local backup for personal use as said in the privacy policy. doing other things than that isn't being said and therefore illegal.
(DIR) Post #9qwSa3pDjasmOCGwK0 by mewmew@busshi.moe
2020-01-13T00:35:15Z
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@koyu @dielan yeah true. I think we should at least contact them first instead of just jumping to suing though.
(DIR) Post #9qwSdL2MCJ0ediynTs by 444.koyu@koyu.space
2020-01-13T00:35:50Z
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@mewmew @dielan exactly. at least prohibiting the download of the datasets and annoy them to drill their hard drives.
(DIR) Post #9qwSjlY0XqoOb8qh4S by norikawa@efdn.club
2020-01-12T23:47:08Z
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@er1n @amphetamine @tastytea given i just sent them a strongly worded email stating the fact that no one on efdn consented, and im in the middle of writing a similar one to their university...
(DIR) Post #9qwSzPcpop1vF0ZFGS by bstacey@icosahedron.website
2020-01-12T23:56:03Z
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@er1n @amphetamine @tastytea Let's get them in trouble.
(DIR) Post #9qwSzQ8juCYCpxUizg by er1n@social.mecanis.me
2020-01-13T00:06:43Z
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okay, i condensed everything the scrapers at UMilan violated and some grievance policy documentation. have fun and don't trash my doc!https://docs.google.com/document/d/15jikK6wetE-H31VROgvF0a0ABqaNdbtH1JK16PMyrcY/edit?usp=sharing@bstacey @amphetamine @tastytea
(DIR) Post #9qwSzus9duhi9UyPwm by debugninja@banana.dog
2020-01-13T00:39:51Z
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@er1n @bstacey @amphetamine @tastytea Thanks for putting this together...I am going to download the dataset for myself to understand what they got.
(DIR) Post #9qwT1vzETHdeBeFKpk by mewmew@blob.cat
2020-01-13T00:40:15.915379Z
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@dredmorbius @tastytea finally someone get it. anti-copyright and anarchist until someone scrapes your website and now you want to sue
(DIR) Post #9qwT8N8ESWus76Weky by xenophora@mastodon.art
2020-01-13T00:27:15Z
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@dredmorbius @tastytea I guess, but honestly it still feels pretty creepy to me. What measures were/are in place to prevent them from helping themselves to stuff I specifically locked or sent as DMs? Anything? Thanks in advance.
(DIR) Post #9qwT8NiOI5q7vFRX7I by dredmorbius@mastodon.cloud
2020-01-13T00:32:07Z
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@xenophora An honestly good question."Intent" would be a large part of that. Posting publicly (or unlisted) *provides access to anyone to read*. Posting "followers only" (a pretty bad design option, honestly, given that *anyone* can follow an account, unless locked), or DM, would be a *strong signal* of intent that "this is not public".A huge problem is that people really don't get this or think like this, at least in many cases. Which argues against the rule, not the people.@tastytea
(DIR) Post #9qwT8NwvQ3SweKF8ls by dredmorbius@mastodon.cloud
2020-01-13T00:34:28Z
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@xenophora FWIW, I don't think that the argument "you've got no expectation of privacy for what happens in public" is in the least bit valid. Evidenced in large part by *published documentation* by intelligence agencies to *seek* privacy *by going to public spaces* (parks, restaurants, museums, etc.).I also see *disaggregated public information* as hugely different from *aggregated public information*, due to the vastly lower search costs.Which means specific details matter.@tastytea
(DIR) Post #9qwT8OKfzkSrpzM6nA by dredmorbius@mastodon.cloud
2020-01-13T00:37:01Z
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@xenophora Simple hashing of user identifiers is *not* sufficient for privacy guarantees, in virtually all instances, but especially where the search space is relatively few. Across a few hundred Mastodon instances, the active public profiles number in the 1,000s - 10,000s, I suspect, which is a *hugely* tractable search space, no matter how fine your hash.Rehasing over time, say, every day or week, to allow tracking threads, but not personal activity over time ... maybe.@tastytea
(DIR) Post #9qwT8OesmccyqeoFHs by dredmorbius@mastodon.cloud
2020-01-13T00:40:08Z
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@xenophora Another option might be to disaggregate content into small-n tuples, at the word level, so phrases of 2-4 words (analysis rapidly explodes above, or even at, this level), and come up with a *per conversation* or *per thread* identifier, rather than persistant individual identifiers over time.This preserves much ability for meaningful analysis *and* a lot of privacy. I'm not sure that it's sufficient.@tastytea
(DIR) Post #9qwTFEbgYM0HhWZgAa by er1n@social.mecanis.me
2020-01-13T00:41:05Z
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@debugninja @bstacey @amphetamine @tastytea np. i'm glad to help out
(DIR) Post #9qwTYZUj7JrVz9XYHo by debugninja@banana.dog
2020-01-13T00:45:58Z
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@tastytea Well F me I guess. I hope I never tooted anything on the public timeline I didn't want recorder because they def got some % of my public timeline
(DIR) Post #9qwTj3SkYEV1pFc9Ro by 444.koyu@koyu.space
2020-01-13T00:34:59Z
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@mewmew @dielan i'm not a lawyer, but this is the scenario in a perfect world
(DIR) Post #9qwTpgABZmrJah5d4a by velexiraptor@radical.town
2020-01-12T23:23:39Z
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@tastytea radtown is here, for ppl wonderingfor fucks sake, can we do anything abt this?
(DIR) Post #9qwTpgRCYWTCRT3Day by er1n@social.mecanis.me
2020-01-12T23:28:31Z
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@velexiraptor @tastytea oh yeah uhhhh i think that it's possible to get them in trouble with their university's IRB
(DIR) Post #9qwTpgmpG7ldWXAUIi by setthemfree@mamot.fr
2020-01-12T23:46:14Z
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@er1n @velexiraptor @tastytea There's a copyright problem here too.What this shows, however, is that it is very easy for anyone (including repressive governments) to scrape the public content for whatever purpose; if it's public, anyone can grab it and do black magic with it.IMO, steps to improve the situation on software & network level:1) default to posting to followers only;2) provide the ability to group followers into categories and post only to selected categories of followers.
(DIR) Post #9qwTphChhuT2onH9dY by galaxis@mastodon.infra.de
2020-01-13T00:20:30Z
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@setthemfree @er1n @velexiraptor @tastytea Followers-only is pretty broken across the federated space - most threads will be very incomplete for anyone looking at them. Your point 2) is basically what Circles were on Google+ - and few people used the option of posting to Circles there.Mastodon SECURE_MODE defeats dumb scraping of the public APIs (and would probably make a "post to Fediverse only" mode somewhat useful), but then a dedicated scraper could just set up some ActivityPub-lookalike.
(DIR) Post #9qwZ9jre1dNWdDnmHw by 444.koyu@koyu.space
2020-01-13T01:31:44Z
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@dielan it begins here, https://likeable.space/objects/98fe7449-1776-4343-818d-aaff710a867bperhaps they blocked you or something
(DIR) Post #9qwZZhbh2ZFj9yilwu by dielan@shitposter.club
2020-01-13T01:53:37.450162Z
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@koyuHighly likely, im used to it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
(DIR) Post #9qx1IGw1kbG2EQi288 by bstacey@icosahedron.website
2020-01-12T23:52:00Z
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@tastytea pinging @bgcarlisle because they *definitely* violated the scholar.social terms of service<< Researchers who wish to study Scholar Social or our users by collecting data using the API or through any other means that does not involve an "opt-in" from individual users are required to submit their protocol, analysis plan and all relevant ethics approval documentation from their institutional review board or departmental internal review documentation by email to: scholar.social at protonmail dot-com. You may also be required to submit code you plan to execute so that it can be tested to ensure it does not degrade the quality of service to other users. >>https://scholar.social/terms
(DIR) Post #9qx1IHSdnLLTrZy4xs by bstacey@icosahedron.website
2020-01-13T05:46:18Z
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@tastytea @bgcarlisle It looks like the Harvard copy of the dataset has already been deaccessioned:"Many entries in the datasets do not fulfill the law about personal data release since they allow identification of personal information"https://dataverse.harvard.edu/dataset.xhtml?persistentId=doi:10.7910/DVN/R1HKVS
(DIR) Post #9qx1IHroHlTj7dkBCC by bstacey@icosahedron.website
2020-01-13T06:14:02Z
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@tastytea @bgcarlisle Now, to use this as extra emphasis in getting the university and everyone involved to admit they screwed up.
(DIR) Post #9qx1IJPWXu2ZuUWcNs by bstacey@icosahedron.website
2020-01-13T06:24:08Z
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@tastytea @bgcarlisle Also, a note for later (I need to sleps now): Once we have the open letter ready to go, we should get in touch with RetractionWatch.com. It's officially in their purview now, I'd say, what with the dataset being effectively retracted from the repository.
(DIR) Post #9qxRMfJ9fiLpn2HZeC by tao@cursed.technology
2020-01-12T22:47:13Z
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@tastytea a good thing to do might be to have a brief look at their dataset and see if you can discover any real names, thus disproving their claim of not having any personally identifiable information... then email them, or their department, to ask about the legality of this.
(DIR) Post #9qxRiAA29m6HYlGbzs by ParadeGrotesque@mastodon.sdf.org
2020-01-13T12:00:00Z
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@tastytea @tao @tcql @f0x You can definitely take them down with a GDPR lawsuit, as long as ONE person in their database is an EU citizen, or a legal resident in the EU at the time of the scraping.Since, as noted in the thread, it is possible to trace back the "anonymized" data back to the original user by using the URL, this means the data has not been anonymized properly. + no consent given.
(DIR) Post #9qxRkgg0EeMgz5QLU8 by Canageek@cybre.space
2020-01-12T23:55:51Z
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@starkatt @tao @tastytea @vulpineclub We should get an Italian speaker to contact their universities Office of Ethics, there is no way that went past internal review. I'm tempted to try writing the email myself in English to be honest.
(DIR) Post #9qxTQfrbkPLIa1R98q by ParadeGrotesque@mastodon.sdf.org
2020-01-13T12:19:26Z
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@tao @tastytea The following instances are situated explicitely within the EU, and, as such can contact their users in order to put together an RGPD class action since they have been scraped.File available upon request.
(DIR) Post #9qxj38hSTvucKZUO9o by mmu_man@m.g3l.org
2020-01-13T15:14:19Z
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@tastytea we should all sue them for copyright violation :D
(DIR) Post #9qyFlgiUZD4X6fG71M by gemlog@mastodonten.de
2020-01-13T21:21:05Z
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@ParadeGrotesque If you post in the clear... well, you posted in the clear. It doesn't matter what the particular laws of your favourite country or union dictate. It's out there for everyone else.I use crypto randomly with my friends even for trivial information - just to piss them off! :-) Besides, it doesn't matter if the communication is trifling or weighty: It's MINE, not my government's.
(DIR) Post #9qyG6hyr3xNf6jw4vY by ParadeGrotesque@mastodon.sdf.org
2020-01-13T21:24:51Z
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@gemlog Everything you said is true.On the other hand, what these people have done is still a clear and present violation of GDPRL:- Your consent should be obtained before scraping something off your Mastodon account.- Using "public" data still requires anonymization, and this was not performed.- All people and instances affected, especially if based in the EU, have a right to pursue a GDPR class action.
(DIR) Post #9qyGkpHHLqqlK4gPQW by gemlog@mastodonten.de
2020-01-13T21:32:06Z
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@ParadeGrotesque Yes, yes. I'm not disagreeing with your application of the GDPRL.I am currently logged in to a german website through a proxy I have in nuremburg (or munich, I forget just now), but I don't have any expectation of my clear text being private. You have to accept this. All crypto or none.
(DIR) Post #9r0ZZfs6GmUqPUDo7k by KitsuneAlicia@octodon.social
2020-01-13T01:02:39Z
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@tastytea @tao It's still discriminatory and still shows it's not in any way meant to be a "study" since if they can find that site, they can find fediverse.network too.They chose the smaller, more targeted list.
(DIR) Post #9r0ZZg5DU0zL4AMHZI by aladar@mastodon.xyz
2020-01-14T02:51:40Z
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@KitsuneAliciaNone of those instances even existed back then@tastytea @tao
(DIR) Post #9r0ZZgOiJWaI2dTqxU by KitsuneAlicia@octodon.social
2020-01-14T03:53:02Z
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@aladar Please read the replies before replying next time. You're not helping by forcing a rehash of a conversation that already happened.
(DIR) Post #9r0ZZggRFclKvbm0aO by aladar@mastodon.xyz
2020-01-14T17:42:32Z
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@KitsuneAliciaI don't have time to read literally hundreds of CWd posts, you've posted this several times with extremely accusatory tone, hardly helpful either.
(DIR) Post #9r0ZZhChJgZCXerlrs by KitsuneAlicia@octodon.social
2020-01-14T17:50:48Z
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@aladar Don't try to shift the blame of you choosing to ignore what's been said literally a couple posts below the one you replied to onto me.Yes, I made a mistake. I don't need a ton of fucking people pointing that out after I already corrected myself.I'm already trying to do better. Now it's up to you if you want to do the same.
(DIR) Post #9r0ZZhUQFmkFQd9vUm by aladar@mastodon.xyz
2020-01-14T18:29:59Z
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@KitsuneAlicia"Literally a few posts", I've read about 50 more and didn't see anything. But sure, I'm shifting the blame (on what? You being wrong?) because you decided to jump to conclusions and try to get riled up for hours on end instead of checking your facts. Sure.
(DIR) Post #9r0ZZhoH3ycmQCRmRE by r000t@ligma.pro
2020-01-15T00:12:15Z
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@aladar @KitsuneAlicia Just.... don't waste your time with him. That's all he does, he loves it when people point out he's wrong, so he can put you in the exact flow he just put you in. You can see it in action here: https://forum.f-droid.org/t/fedilab-librem-social-supports-the-pushing-out-of-marginalized-groups/6470
(DIR) Post #9r0gY0PtbzzvEIBH84 by aladar@mastodon.xyz
2020-01-15T01:30:32Z
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@r000tIf you want to bother me in my pings just so you can misgender people on purpose you can fuck off@KitsuneAlicia
(DIR) Post #9r0gudbQbFrP8LMnOC by r000t@ligma.pro
2020-01-15T01:34:39Z
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@aladar @KitsuneAlicia Given the gross disrespect HE's shown me over the past few month, I will refer to HIM however I wish. :)
(DIR) Post #9r8QD8JXRNd62oHDIO by wowaname@maly.io
2020-01-18T19:05:14Z
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@er1n @amphetamine @tastytea probably violates dmca assuming users keep copyright to their content