Post 9qtqLt72a7loXJVDFI by You_cat_to_be_kitten_me@spinster.xyz
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(DIR) Post #9pZcKG87f6gf014YYC by sHoRtAnDAnGrY@spinster.xyz
2019-08-21T18:00:31Z
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The sense of entitlement that men feel over women’s bodies is demonstrated through the sex industry and surrogacy. Neither their desire for sex or “need” for children should be something that can be bought. Women’s bodies aren’t tools for pleasure or reproduction. Libfems who say that women “choose” to be prostitutes or “choose” to have someone’s kid for them have no clue how damaging either of those things are to the women (and children) in question. Because they don’t listen to the ones being harmed by it. They hear the gay men oh-so-happy to have a complete family with a baby that shares one of the men’s genes. They hear the cam girls who talk about how “empowering” it is to put a price tag on their bodies. They hear the people who feel entitled to children and they hear the people who feel entitled to sex. They don’t care about the women. They see vessels of either pleasure or reproduction. It sometimes amazes me just how eager libfems are to just go along with their own dehumanization.
(DIR) Post #9qtoKv79SC8IXxxtj6 by arkadyhughes@glindr.org
2020-01-11T17:54:53Z
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I had not thought about surrogacy until my lovely partner told me to read Julie Bindel on it...Man, it's crazy stuff. Thanks for this.@sHoRtAnDAnGrY
(DIR) Post #9qtpHDrBvYKtTJIhEm by sHoRtAnDAnGrY@spinster.xyz
2020-01-11T18:05:25Z
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@arkadyhughes (Thanks for what? XD) Surrogacy was something I used to think of as a sort of kindness on the woman’s part. It was like gay men could have a child otherwise right? They just wanted to be like every other straight couple who could have biological kids, right? I was also under the assumption that usually, gay men went to women closest to them for it. Not renting a complete stranger’s body for nine-months. And then I also learned all the repercussions to the woman and the baby following. It, like prostitution, became dirtier to me until I became aware of why it seemed so wrong to me.
(DIR) Post #9qtpbUUzlKT6sTaDei by SheChanges@spinster.xyz
2020-01-11T18:09:05Z
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And, who thinks a couple of narcissistic, selfish gay men will be any good at parenting whatsoever... here comes Daddy Dearest x2@sHoRtAnDAnGrY @arkadyhughes
(DIR) Post #9qtpodjijFVRI9jzG4 by arkadyhughes@glindr.org
2020-01-11T18:11:27Z
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Thanks for the post :)But you know, for being you too...Until I read Bindel I thought it was all about sacrifice and support...then I thought deeply about the psychological repercussions of it apart from the whole ethical economic surrogacy thing...Thanks again (for this post :))@sHoRtAnDAnGrY
(DIR) Post #9qtqHWWWco8FJsLEqO by sHoRtAnDAnGrY@spinster.xyz
2020-01-11T18:16:41Z
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@SheChanges @arkadyhughes Ah yes, I have absolutely come to the conclusion that it would probably suck to be raised by two men. 🤷♀️
(DIR) Post #9qtqLsqNa4RVhdhuHA by BigVenergy@spinster.xyz
2019-08-21T20:45:40Z
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@sHoRtAnDAnGrY yes I’m tired of ppl supporting gay men’s right to surrogate mothers when there are clearly thousand of babies/young kids needing adoption. Babies need their birth mums
(DIR) Post #9qtqLszb1nocAE1Gds by sHoRtAnDAnGrY@spinster.xyz
2019-08-21T21:39:03Z
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@BigVenergy Exactly. A man’s entitlement to a woman’s body extends further than her ability to sexually please him.
(DIR) Post #9qtqLt72a7loXJVDFI by You_cat_to_be_kitten_me@spinster.xyz
2020-01-11T18:17:28Z
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And abortion too.@sHoRtAnDAnGrY @BigVenergy
(DIR) Post #9qtqahaXi6pR8eMjgG by sHoRtAnDAnGrY@spinster.xyz
2020-01-11T18:20:09Z
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@arkadyhughes Oh haha, I see. Right, looking at it from a surface level it doesn’t seem so bad. She consented and she’s getting paid. But that’s exactly why one needs to dig deeper and ask who is benefitting from the purchasing of an entire person’s body and consent.
(DIR) Post #9qtqlwvZ1KmxtgYriK by arkadyhughes@glindr.org
2020-01-11T18:22:11Z
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It's kind of prostitution without the sex (well, I assume)...Renting another body for a time...@sHoRtAnDAnGrY
(DIR) Post #9qtqn6hu94dyWAiyQ4 by HebrideanHecate@spinster.xyz
2020-01-11T18:17:28Z
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@SheChanges @sHoRtAnDAnGrY @arkadyhughes Precisely...not to mention the misogyny
(DIR) Post #9qtqn7GI5E9KEooR16 by SheChanges@spinster.xyz
2020-01-11T18:19:35Z
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I'm 61 and every gay man I was ever close friends with betrayed me. Being gay doesn't erase their male entitlement or male privilege. @HebrideanHecate @sHoRtAnDAnGrY @arkadyhughes
(DIR) Post #9qtqn7ekcHiPSgFy8u by sHoRtAnDAnGrY@spinster.xyz
2020-01-11T18:22:23Z
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@SheChanges @HebrideanHecate @arkadyhughes Exactly.
(DIR) Post #9qtr5i59vNKzeBTKF6 by sHoRtAnDAnGrY@spinster.xyz
2020-01-11T18:25:41Z
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@arkadyhughes It is.
(DIR) Post #9qtr7F6sc6A4N20Xc8 by HebrideanHecate@spinster.xyz
2020-01-11T18:26:00Z
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@sHoRtAnDAnGrY @SheChanges @arkadyhughes https://www.feministcurrent.com/2019/04/30/in-metoo-we-need-to-call-out-gay-mens-misogyny-as-well/#MeToo has shed a light on men’s ongoing refusal to respect women’s boundaries around the world. From the rich, famous, and powerful to the young, average, and unfamous, countless men have been called out. But there’s something the #MeToo movement has yet to shed light on: the sexual harassment and assault of women by gay men.The first time it happened to me, I was 16 years old and working in a hotel. The very camp gay bar manager put his hand up my skirt, rubbed my crotch, and asked if I was a virgin. Stifling my fear and disgust with an awkward laugh, I felt like I had no script to explain what had happened — straight boys and men had been inappropriate with me in the past but I had assumed the motivation was sexual desire. In this circumstance — because the perpetrator was seemingly not interested in me sexually — I was at a loss as to how to respond. Shaken, I walked away and put the incident to the back of my mind, where it has remained for 20 years.When I shared this story in a group online recently, I was overwhelmed by responses from women with similar experiences. One woman told me her story:“I was at the theatre in central London on the evening of Pride a few years ago. Walking back to the tube station after the show, the streets were full of drunk, high-spirited stragglers. There was a group of loud, giggly youngsters behind me. One young lad ran up behind me, threw his arms around me, grabbed my breasts, made a ‘jiggling’ motion, and shouted ‘Wahay! Look at these!’ I pushed him away and, very angrily, pointed out that he’d just sexually assaulted me. He rolled his eyes and spat, ‘Oh lighten up you frigid bitch, it’s fucking Pride!’”...............................
(DIR) Post #9qtuL3nlknCZDPLiLo by NightCrow@spinster.xyz
2020-01-11T18:22:10Z
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@SheChanges Are you saying that gay men are all "narcissistic and selfish", Sandy?@sHoRtAnDAnGrY @arkadyhughes
(DIR) Post #9qtuL41avOGDuHokts by SheChanges@spinster.xyz
2020-01-11T18:28:12Z
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There is no such thing as always, there is no such thing as never. There are exceptions to every rule. Believe me, I was on their side for years. My buddies treated me like a friend alright. We went out to breakfast and movies often back in the '80's. I don't remember any of them ever treating me. But, I was a good friend and never expected shit from them. However, when they (my 2 best friend gays who were lovers and lived with each other) needed to borrow my car for a week and I wanted them to sign a contract taking responsibility for anything they happened, just in case... they refused. Made me feel guilty for even asking. It was just a little Toyota Corolla, but they got hit and it knocked the entire back bumper off my car. Did they take responsibility and pay for the repair??? No, they didn't. They totaled my car and didn't care.And, that's just one example. I have several. I gave unselfishly as a caring friend and they didn't care about me at all, because they weren't having sex with me. In my experience, most gays are shallow and cold, despite how entertaining they can be sometimes.@NightCrow @sHoRtAnDAnGrY @arkadyhughes
(DIR) Post #9qtuL4GU22AceSme6i by LaylaAlexandrovna@spinster.xyz
2020-01-11T19:01:29Z
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That reminds me of some of my gay friends back in the day. There's plenty of evidence that gay men don't give a shit about women (#NAGAMALT!). I have only to look at the LGB Alliance Canada group on FB to see how gay men reacted at the very thought that they should consider the lives of lesbians and bi women! Shitshow. Now I never see men posting in that group. Weird, eh? There are many many other examples, the primary one is the convenient forgetting of how lesbians (and other women) nursed their asses off when they were dying of AIDS. @SheChanges @NightCrow @sHoRtAnDAnGrY @arkadyhughes
(DIR) Post #9qtxwICRU8QKRlKqHY by MavisRockit@spinster.xyz
2020-01-11T19:42:27Z
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@sHoRtAnDAnGrY I've had a good long think and korero with whanau and friends about this surrogacy business.If, and it's a big IF....if you can find a relative willing to carry for you, great. If not? Too fucking bad, you can't buy another person to carry ANOTHER PERSON FOR YOU. I'd legislate on these grounds.No relative to carry for you? Too fucking bad. Suck it up, cupcakes, not yours to have this time round. #UnpopularOpinion
(DIR) Post #9qtztKea6Zg564DGxU by sHoRtAnDAnGrY@spinster.xyz
2020-01-11T20:04:22Z
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@MavisRockit I actually think they have no right to ask even close friends or relatives. They are GAY. Why do they need to make themselves look like a “normal couple” with a “normal family”?
(DIR) Post #9qu0P9SlFNXpekrBxI by MavisRockit@spinster.xyz
2020-01-11T20:10:07Z
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@sHoRtAnDAnGrY Ae, patriarchy and its tentacles have a #LongReach as far as fuckery and perception goes.It all comes down to intention and if the intention is to 'pass' as a 'normal' family, fuck that.It's a knotty one, for sure. Womb-With-A-View $$ transactions make me feel ill, it's just another form of whoredom, keeping women captive and stuck. The whole process, when commercialised, and for gay menz (I remember that douche on Twatter and how he was buying a baby eurgh) to 'feel like a normal family' can #GetintheFuckingSea that's why I was thinking of relatives/family connections. Can't speak to people's intentions, where do we start?
(DIR) Post #9qu0debMGrakHknFfU by sHoRtAnDAnGrY@spinster.xyz
2020-01-11T20:12:41Z
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@MavisRockit Right. That’s actually why I can’t get behind any form of it, no matter who they’re asking. Because what made them think they had any right to ask a woman in their life to carry a baby for them? Why is that something that came into someone’s head as acceptable?
(DIR) Post #9qu0ypR9BGaLyJ78Xg by sHoRtAnDAnGrY@spinster.xyz
2020-01-11T20:16:32Z
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@MavisRockit I mean, how do you define which intentions are “ok” and which aren’t? If they genuinely just want a baby, why isn’t adoption an option? Why is their first thought to ask a woman if they can rent her body for roughly nine months and then give HER (yes her, that baby will ALWAYS want their mother and will mourn her once separated) baby to them?
(DIR) Post #9qu10WB9khBQp7RLhA by sHoRtAnDAnGrY@spinster.xyz
2020-01-11T20:16:52Z
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@MavisRockit I mean, how do you define which intentions are “ok” and which aren’t? If they genuinely just want a baby, why isn’t adoption an option? Why is their first thought to ask a woman if they can rent her body for roughly nine months and then give HER (yes her, that baby will ALWAYS want their mother and will mourn her once separated) baby to them?