Post 9qWrlxayuJ2AAWSVwO by self@social.linuxlusers.com
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(DIR) Post #9q1x5Nb3LCFaPB9Lai by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2019-12-16T17:29:10Z
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@self if you ever find an ethical ad platform to use with LinuxLusers.com, please let me know. I'd love to have something like that for disintermedia.net.nz. Especially once I start self-hosting and it starts regularly costing me money.
(DIR) Post #9q1xVY2R8pv2JoR7Sq by icedquinn@niu.moe
2019-12-16T17:36:41Z
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@strypey @self RIP project wonderful :blobsad:
(DIR) Post #9qWrluxCjE1lyZpifA by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2019-12-17T08:16:47Z
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@icedquinn huh?@self
(DIR) Post #9qWrlxayuJ2AAWSVwO by self@social.linuxlusers.com
2019-12-31T16:08:05Z
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@strypey @icedquinn sorry about the late reply. Sadly, this is not a problem I've solved yet. It just doesn't seem that there's much of a market for such a thing. The best idea someone gave me was to use sponsored ads, when I can pick and choose whos money I accept and who I allow my site to promote, however this is severely limiting and not viable until a site commands some fairly substantial traffic stats - at which point this method would probably present itself somewhat naturally anyways. Did you figure out anything more viable?
(DIR) Post #9qWrlzHYdUgXOrO1wW by icedquinn@niu.moe
2019-12-31T16:14:57Z
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@self @strypey that is basically how project wonderful worked.you put your ads in to it and picked candidate sites, those sites could choose to accept anyone, anyone with prior approval or require approval for every ad, and they billed you based on the number of seconds you were the top bid (not clicks.)everybody loved them though they mostly only took off on webcomic sites. they shut down because they were tired of having their growth crushed by facebook co-opting the internet more than anything else.mac community used to have a few ad networks where the allowed sponsors had to be invited in.i don't imagine you will make much regardless of the ad service you use, until you are already quite large. payment per clicks are small enough you're probably better off with a patreon/subscribestar and a crypto donation bin :blobshrug:
(DIR) Post #9qpA0N3cogDylWtj9s by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2020-01-09T12:03:56Z
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@self not yet. My working theory is that existing markets in creative labour are not even vaguely meritocratic. Who gets to make money from creative labour is determined by a combination of corporate patronage, popularity contests, and dumb luck. Another theory I have a strong confirmation bias against is that its totally meritocratic and my creative work has no value ;)@icedquinn
(DIR) Post #9r1zK673jHmj83PaFc by self@social.linuxlusers.com
2020-01-15T16:33:53Z
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@strypey @icedquinn Any ideas on avoiding the popularity contest? I've often pondered this over the years, and almost brought myself to initiate some idea from time to time... but have never fully cracked that code. I imagine there would be a mechanism to prevent popularity occurring merely from a sort of snowball effect, as it often does now, where someone manages to make something that goes moderately viral, and then from there can merely ride a wave. It isn't to say they don't deserve it, but there are others with far better content that never get this chance and never make it at all. Take youtube for example, only because I saw an example there just the other day while my son was watching it... A gamer was talking about one video they made that become very popular and ever since then they just kept milking that. No doubt they put in lots of time and hard work making videos, but would that effort pay off had they not had that one viral video? You see this same thing on most sites. I suppose reddit has done one of the best jobs in preventing this from totally ruining the experience, but it still exists, even on finer grained levels, such as early posts snowballing in replies and likes... burying other potentially relevant ones. Anyways, just food for thought.
(DIR) Post #9rKC8M4pmBO9oskHNw by self@social.linuxlusers.com
2020-01-15T16:53:32Z
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@icedquinn @strypey btw, I'm not necessarily just talking about websites, those are just the examples I had in mind and it's the only angle I feel that I, personally, have any chance of making a change (not really, but 'online' does seem the most plausible place for a new paradigm to arise). I certainly don't see myself being able to change public opinion or compete with those already established financially-build institutional markets.
(DIR) Post #9rKC8MUiDy5Z78qwim by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2020-01-24T11:23:44Z
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@self intriguing thoughts, thanks for taking the time to share them. I think the dynamics of swarms and crowdfunding are what they are. I see #PlatformCooperatives like #Stocksy or #SocialEnterprises like #Scoop.co.nz as the most realistic way of creating a secure living for those whose creative and intellectual work contributes to the commons. It requires building organisations, instead of just trying to get passing swarms into a hive ;)@icedquinn