Post 9px7aXWSltA6SPdbKy by Genie@spinster.xyz
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(DIR) Post #9px3HdS26b5PWeIOzg by Lemondrizzle@spinster.xyz
2019-12-14T09:34:24Z
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Spinsters - I'm seeing a lot of calls to rejoin the Labour Party and reform it from within. What do we think about that?Personally I won't touch it with a barge pole till Corbyn and the Momentum cult are gone, and I need to see Labour's own MPs start bring that about.
(DIR) Post #9px4H730gI5syvuFEG by rose@spinster.xyz
2019-12-14T09:45:31Z
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@Lemondrizzle I'm not interested in rejoining unless they change radically and I don't see that happening any time soon. I actually joined soon after Corbyn became leader, because I wanted to support a left-wing move, but I quit very soon afterwards. Corbyn has been a huge disappointment. I've become a lot more invested in supporting individual women doing great things and groups promoting women's campaigns for the benefit of women and girls as a sex class. That's where my time and money is going.
(DIR) Post #9px4QBACkNmOLzavT6 by Lemondrizzle@spinster.xyz
2019-12-14T09:47:10Z
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@roseSame, same.
(DIR) Post #9px6AWAp44Oin2XlU8 by Katalyst@spinster.xyz
2019-12-14T10:06:44Z
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@Lemondrizzle I think the most respectful thing that both main factions within the labour party can do is to humbly apologise to the ordinary people they no longer represent and then fuck right off. Humbly leave the party, stop pretending they have anything in common with the people they claim to represent . All of momentum, all the blue haired brats yelling outside parliament, and all the power-suited Blair babes and careerists. 30 years of squabbling over the party has torn it apart and the people have had enough. There is clearly a need for a new kind of social organising based on the economic system we have now and not the one that the labour party was originally built on, and it is not for the managerial class (in which I include myself) to decide how that should be.There *are* some decent hard working labour MPs with their roots in the communities they represent, and if anyone still has a right within the labour party to take things forward it would be them.
(DIR) Post #9px7aXWSltA6SPdbKy by Genie@spinster.xyz
2019-12-14T10:22:39Z
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@Lemondrizzle I don't feel sorry for them at all. You sell women down the river, celebrate porn, give creepy vibes that you are okay with little kids turning into abused guinea pigs then pretend you aren't sexist and are the more human side? Oh well...Maybe they should actually care about women's votes too.
(DIR) Post #9px7fXAtUa6apHvkky by Genie@spinster.xyz
2019-12-14T10:23:33Z
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@Lemondrizzle I don't feel sorry for them at all. You sell women down the river, celebrate porn, give creepy vibes that you are okay with little kids turning into abused guinea pigs then pretend you aren't sexist and are the more human side? Oh well...Maybe they should actually care about women's votes too. They won't even allow women to critically speak about these dangerous policies so how exactly would we "change" it from within where you would be the minority and not even allowed to speak?
(DIR) Post #9pxD1fowWjXxmb2V4C by Camille@spinster.xyz
2019-12-14T11:23:35Z
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How many “power-suited Blair babes and careerists” could there possibly be left?@Katalyst @Lemondrizzle
(DIR) Post #9pxFWYD34iAZ3wAKjQ by Lemondrizzle@spinster.xyz
2019-12-14T11:51:34Z
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@Camille @KatalystI find the careerist jibe really odd. Why wouldn't it be a career? Should it be a gentleman's hobby?
(DIR) Post #9pxGH2eKESQEn75oMy by Noelle79@spinster.xyz
2019-12-14T11:59:57Z
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@Lemondrizzle there will be a leadership election. Join so you can vote for someone sensible and help bring real Labour back
(DIR) Post #9pxGd9hEiENJ19zzkW by Camille@spinster.xyz
2019-12-14T12:03:58Z
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I agree - not a job for dilettantes.@Lemondrizzle @Katalyst
(DIR) Post #9pxHk0qO7jGDXm75CS by Katalyst@spinster.xyz
2019-12-14T12:16:25Z
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@Lemondrizzle @Camille by careerist I mean those people for whom the focus is on themselves and their own advancement, quite a lot of whom have had big advantages in life and have never lived the kinds of lives of the people they purport to represent. For whom getting into the cabinet or being the prime minister is the goal, rather than actually improving society. The ones who will make any type of compromise necessary to further their own career.
(DIR) Post #9pxHxarvUmnD2NJCUq by Camille@spinster.xyz
2019-12-14T12:18:52Z
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Here’s the problem though - it’s very hard to make any meaningful change to improve society without being in cabinet.Most of governing is compromise.@Katalyst @Lemondrizzle
(DIR) Post #9pxImqfkUvMcou3LjU by Lemondrizzle@spinster.xyz
2019-12-14T12:28:08Z
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@Katalyst @CamilleFunny how this is never chucked at Tory MPs, only Labour, who are supposed to treat being an MP like a form of activism rather than a serious job that takes talent and hard work.
(DIR) Post #9pxJE0vwSGv6Sma3lo by Camille@spinster.xyz
2019-12-14T12:33:02Z
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Well indeed, Boris now gets to do what he wants.@Lemondrizzle @Katalyst
(DIR) Post #9pxLdfAcC1TyP2nmka by Primalilith@spinster.xyz
2019-12-14T13:00:03Z
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My momentum free CLP had/has no influence with central. Our hustings was cancelled and a candidate imposed more than 10 days after GE was called. Result was basically a deliberate lack of campaigning to assist a tactical vote to unseat Con MP In favour of LibDems which was successful. I will not leave the party as it works too hard locally to assist struggling people @Lemondrizzle
(DIR) Post #9pxOXyosWX3VTAcI2i by Katalyst@spinster.xyz
2019-12-14T13:32:40Z
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@Camille @Lemondrizzle well personally I don't have energy to spare for banging my head against brick walls. Unlike lady-brain, the right wing thing is a thing.
(DIR) Post #9pxOf67DnQlM7lafMO by Camille@spinster.xyz
2019-12-14T13:33:57Z
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I’m not sure what that means, but ok.@Katalyst @Lemondrizzle
(DIR) Post #9pxPvNLXbEmi9Wc7we by Brookryn@spinster.xyz
2019-12-14T13:48:06Z
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@Lemondrizzle I hope women band together to form a party that puts the safety and wellbeing of women and children first, it could/should be worldwide :oppose:
(DIR) Post #9pxPvjoi3TBlqMQjSq by LangCleg@spinster.xyz
2019-12-14T13:48:10Z
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@Genie @Lemondrizzle Tempted to rejoin on the basis of voting for leader and NEC etc, but probably won't.
(DIR) Post #9pxQDfpXcEaKgxN692 by Formermediocremale@spinster.xyz
2019-12-14T13:51:25Z
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@Brookryn @Lemondrizzle yes I'd like a GC party with safety, well being and dignity of women and children as a priority. I have had it with the current political system.
(DIR) Post #9pxQYvtL5ykuaPHk36 by Katalyst@spinster.xyz
2019-12-14T13:55:15Z
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@Camille @Lemondrizzle This article says it better than I can:This Labour meltdown has been building for decadeshttps://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/dec/14/labour-meltdown-decades-govern-votes?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard
(DIR) Post #9pxQqRpfar6QZVv96W by macha@spinster.xyz
2019-12-14T13:58:25Z
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@Lemondrizzle Just posted about this before I saw your post.Quite frankly they can get in the bin! Their party is a toxic mess and failing women and girls. No way would I join until they make massive changes.
(DIR) Post #9pxQv9sFn0feK5NKfg by rose@spinster.xyz
2019-12-14T13:59:15Z
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@macha @Lemondrizzle Same here.
(DIR) Post #9pxR992rfTJZo40Y52 by LangCleg@spinster.xyz
2019-12-14T14:01:48Z
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@Katalyst @Camille @Lemondrizzle "In the 2017 election I wrote that a party that grew out of social institutions needed to turn itself into a social institution in precisely those areas it historically took for granted."This, this, this!I'm of the generation that grew up with wedding receptions down the Labour Club.
(DIR) Post #9pxRzt2vskLVXDBmAy by Camille@spinster.xyz
2019-12-14T14:11:20Z
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There’s a lot in that article I agree with, and bits where I think he’s falling victim to the syndrome he describes in the opening paras!But this, particularly, rings true to me: “Any radicalism that fails to ask the really thorny questions isn’t radical at all”@LangCleg @Katalyst @Lemondrizzle
(DIR) Post #9pxSVwi5nMuWAGjChE by LangCleg@spinster.xyz
2019-12-14T14:17:07Z
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@Camille @Katalyst @Lemondrizzle What I like is his ability to reflect and the respect he pays to the electorate.And he's right that the Labour Party needs to find a way to embed itself within the lives of its electorate, as it once did.First step? Embed all constituency surgeries into drop in centres/food banks/libraries? Spend the office money on a permanently open constituency office instead of a secretary?
(DIR) Post #9pxTGyqPg6CcOV31VY by Camille@spinster.xyz
2019-12-14T14:25:37Z
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Agree on all of that, particularly the constituency surgery aspect: it’s critical political work for any party of the left.As an aside, this is an aspect of PRSTV much discussed in the Irish context. If you’re running for 1 of the 2 ‘big’ parties here, it’s likely there’ll be 2-3 of you from the same party running in the same constituency. Tends to make ‘constituency service a bit more electorally salient - too much so in the view of some!@LangCleg @Katalyst @Lemondrizzle
(DIR) Post #9pxU5MZlid7ATXHqHg by Camille@spinster.xyz
2019-12-14T14:34:44Z
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Yeah. There I go again, that’s really a function of multi-seat constituencies 🤦♀️@LangCleg @Katalyst @Lemondrizzle