Post 9pwKFbS24gWuo2x6rA by null0x0@fosstodon.org
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(DIR) Post #9puSURA9riLHocJwqu by null0x0@fosstodon.org
2019-12-13T03:32:42Z
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Delta Chat is like Telegram or Whatsapp but without the tracking or central control.>> https://delta.chat/en/Supports GMail, Outlook and more!
(DIR) Post #9puSnOy6FTSIVlivKK by rebutte@tech.lgbt
2019-12-13T03:36:07Z
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@null0x0 email with chat UX?Awesomeness
(DIR) Post #9pui2M5ajZonEoofQ0 by flab@freesoftwareextremist.com
2019-12-13T06:26:54.291790Z
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@null0x0 am I missing something? This sounds like "email with extra steps"
(DIR) Post #9puiqV4LcZ8XZH94cK by null0x0@fosstodon.org
2019-12-13T06:35:58Z
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@rebutte trying it right now!
(DIR) Post #9puj0X6IvGHclSqQ1Q by samp@fosstodon.org
2019-12-13T06:37:47Z
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@flab It's a texting styled frontend for emails.So yeah, just email with an extra step.
(DIR) Post #9puj349b0FCdr8alRw by Alumina@fedi.absturztau.be
2019-12-13T03:57:42.856733Z
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@null0x0 wouldn't the central point be the email servers?
(DIR) Post #9puj34Y3XIlj502IZk by kungtotte@fosstodon.org
2019-12-13T06:03:38Z
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@Alumina @null0x0 that's centralised in the way the fediverse is: meaning not very. Every Mastodon instance is a point of centralisation but you can use any of them or stand up your own, it's much the same way with email. If you don't care for one server's policies or prices or whatever you're free to move anywhere you want. That's something you don't get from other services.
(DIR) Post #9puj34yHxlkiOMJFSq by Alumina@fedi.absturztau.be
2019-12-13T06:26:06.487815Z
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@kungtotte @null0x0 Make sense.Now here's the real question. Wouldnt most free mail services end up banning accounts for spammage? If your'e sending a lot of message it could be considered spam which could limit your account..
(DIR) Post #9puj35KybPttWivMpM by null0x0@fosstodon.org
2019-12-13T06:38:12Z
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@Alumina @kungtotte nope! Encrypted emails, and Most email servers care about spam reports not actual mails, so If you are using it normally then nope!
(DIR) Post #9puj496O5hRlUabeFc by null0x0@fosstodon.org
2019-12-13T06:38:26Z
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@kungtotte @Alumina yeah!
(DIR) Post #9pujDkyWeHI5YnVmk4 by null0x0@fosstodon.org
2019-12-13T06:40:10Z
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@flab login and then boom! It just works!
(DIR) Post #9pujdzwJdNG3V5zUgK by null0x0@fosstodon.org
2019-12-13T06:44:55Z
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Super easy setup. It just works!Try it out.
(DIR) Post #9pujfmqpGfoxUDHB2G by null0x0@fosstodon.org
2019-12-13T06:45:15Z
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Encryption on by default.
(DIR) Post #9pukZA66XWs3VjpLyC by null0x0@fosstodon.org
2019-12-13T06:55:15Z
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More screenshots!
(DIR) Post #9pukdN8bzuxT760Xc8 by null0x0@fosstodon.org
2019-12-13T06:56:00Z
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@flab It is seamless and very intuitive!
(DIR) Post #9pukldRnFAWU0qv5ay by flab@freesoftwareextremist.com
2019-12-13T06:57:30.233820Z
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@null0x0 I personally feel like sending a plain old email is just as intuitive but maybe either my age is showing or I'm just an email stan.
(DIR) Post #9pukmhu69yNe7kfcsS by null0x0@fosstodon.org
2019-12-13T06:57:42Z
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@gemlog @mike @nitoxRetoots please!
(DIR) Post #9pukquODgCxi0SlLvM by null0x0@fosstodon.org
2019-12-13T06:58:27Z
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@flab but this has encryption and WhatsApp like interface!
(DIR) Post #9pukw3UdGEdTgjDThw by flab@freesoftwareextremist.com
2019-12-13T06:59:17.927969Z
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@null0x0 but email has encryption and a command-line interface!
(DIR) Post #9pulUD7TyYb3OGftg0 by redstarfish@social.linux.pizza
2019-12-13T07:05:31Z
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@null0x0When using this, E-mail service providers do get all the info though, isn't it? For example if the other person and I both using gmail accounts to sign up and chat , google gets all the metadata, considering that this app end to end encrypts the chat. But if the other person is not using the app and using their email, then there's no way for the app to apply E2E and google(or email service provider) can read messeges too along with metadata.
(DIR) Post #9pulYi5glfwGbUyu7E by r@freesoftwareextremist.com
2019-12-13T07:06:21.950635Z
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@null0x0 SMTP isn't designed for such use cases
(DIR) Post #9pulj2ev9OOjI6O4sy by null0x0@fosstodon.org
2019-12-13T07:08:14Z
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@flab No the text content is only visible to the other party in this. Say if you use Gmail messages are stored on their servers in a machine readable form hence search works on Web UI. But i. This if you send Delta to Delta message then it is encrypted end to end.
(DIR) Post #9puls4gMzsIcAlN8tM by null0x0@fosstodon.org
2019-12-13T07:09:52Z
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@redstarfish yeah! So it's E2E for App only. But for normal messages it doesn't encrypt e2e rather sends it the old fashion way.
(DIR) Post #9pum1bwmglahwob61o by flab@freesoftwareextremist.com
2019-12-13T07:11:35.269906Z
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@null0x0 well, E2E exists for email too, PGP has been the gold standard for this for... over 20 years now.I'm sure that Delta makes key exchange easier (given that exchanging PGP keys is typically a manual process and a little obtuse) but still.
(DIR) Post #9pumC67DNY9YPOTbWq by null0x0@fosstodon.org
2019-12-13T07:13:29Z
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@r SMTP can handle it provided you use quality providers like in this list.https://support.delta.chat/t/provider-overview/56
(DIR) Post #9pumGZ4debgHNcOxTE by null0x0@fosstodon.org
2019-12-13T07:14:17Z
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@flab it makes it a one click process. Noob friendly! 🙂
(DIR) Post #9pumKreIXAG29F8Byy by null0x0@fosstodon.org
2019-12-13T07:15:04Z
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@flab I uses PGP and Have mailvelope/Kleopatra/Enigmail for thunderbird but this is way easier and faster.
(DIR) Post #9pumkCuway29Lo0AXQ by r@freesoftwareextremist.com
2019-12-13T07:19:40.514266Z
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@null0x0 >you can use a knife as screw driver provided you use a quality knifeok, but I prefer an actual screw driver
(DIR) Post #9pumzwPpiT4Onwx6Y4 by null0x0@fosstodon.org
2019-12-13T07:22:29Z
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@r Yeah! But this seems to be a better way to email than conventional methods! It has autocrypt, seamless login and setup experience and stability.
(DIR) Post #9pun81HfV3DyDhz9sW by opal@pl.wowana.me
2019-12-13T07:23:58.497135Z
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@flab @null0x0 no youre right, ignore pajeet
(DIR) Post #9punETesuvT5xXvLbE by nik@letsalllovela.in
2019-12-13T07:25:08.542804Z
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@null0x0 @r but why not just xmpp
(DIR) Post #9punU84yuohTfNaswi by nitox@fosstodon.org
2019-12-13T07:27:56Z
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@null0x0 @gemlog @mike i knew this one, the problem is... Are you gonna use it with gmail? Which reads all your email?Outlook? Email limits per day?Protonmail could be great but freely a limit of 150 which is good, i would pay.But my mother that has to use this to talk to me, has to pay, my family if want to use this, have to pay too... It looks a good idea, but effectively, it does not scale, email is for email.If this idea was viable, they wouldn't invent ActivityPub.
(DIR) Post #9punhtNwLRhe9C1ZQG by r@freesoftwareextremist.com
2019-12-13T07:30:17.797980Z
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@nik @null0x0 yeah, it's a much better alternative (compared to SMTP) even though it involves XML.
(DIR) Post #9purGhXWg3jHPJnX0q by samp@fosstodon.org
2019-12-13T08:10:21Z
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@nitoxIt will not work with proton or tutanota, as they don't support IMAP/pop3@null0x0 @gemlog @mike
(DIR) Post #9purtY2dvPPZF8sNpQ by hugot@amsterdon.nl
2019-12-13T08:17:17Z
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@null0x0This is so cool! This might actually be usable for non-technical people as well!
(DIR) Post #9puy1o7mc1yBAIbO0e by natharari@mastodon.social
2019-12-13T09:26:04Z
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@null0x0 This looks very interesting, actually. I'll check it out soon. Thanks for posting that. :)
(DIR) Post #9pv3RArPiWiEgprPmq by cb@cbfish.es
2019-12-13T10:26:40Z
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@null0x0 oh snap that sounds cool- use emails... I’m guessing they encrypt the messages? Very cool
(DIR) Post #9pv5Iept6Fq2xWDISu by spla@mastodont.cat
2019-12-13T10:47:31Z
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@null0x0 all e-mail passin trough gmail addresses are tracked so...
(DIR) Post #9pvDuPDqOlglAhvh7w by null0x0@fosstodon.org
2019-12-13T12:23:55Z
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@spla Tracked yes! But they can't see the encrypted data. And using GMail is just an option not a recommendation. A lot of people use it so I thought of mentioning the support.
(DIR) Post #9pvDzCD4CqXUGIqleK by fmartingr@fosstodon.org
2019-12-13T10:18:29Z
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@nitox AFAIK it uses e2e encryption so gmail would only read gibberish, right? @null0x0 @gemlog @mike
(DIR) Post #9pvDzCaomXXPRxxjfc by null0x0@fosstodon.org
2019-12-13T12:24:52Z
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@fmartingr @nitoxGMail servers would receive headers and sender data other than that content of the message would be encrypted. @gemlog @mike
(DIR) Post #9pvE9VIq4bq4NFStrU by null0x0@fosstodon.org
2019-12-13T12:26:45Z
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@cb yeah!
(DIR) Post #9pvEEvxCPfliTivsQ4 by kungtotte@fosstodon.org
2019-12-13T09:52:44Z
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@nik @null0x0 @r the upside of this over XMPP is that your brother/wife/grandma don't have to sign up for another chat service (unless they want to), they'll see them as just plain emails. You also already have everyone's contact info since it uses existing email addresses, with XMPP you have to know that it's brother@some-jabber.org, wife@xmpp-provider.com, etc.That's the real killer feature of this thing.
(DIR) Post #9pvEEwKb0gU3eHsYt6 by null0x0@fosstodon.org
2019-12-13T12:27:42Z
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@kungtotte @nik @r yeah!
(DIR) Post #9pvEGNc340KIYBjFwm by null0x0@fosstodon.org
2019-12-13T12:28:01Z
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@natharari My pleasure.
(DIR) Post #9pvEHIsKAADK9AmYjI by null0x0@fosstodon.org
2019-12-13T12:28:11Z
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@hugot yeah! 🙂
(DIR) Post #9pvENt9oBEcsPY6Hcu by null0x0@fosstodon.org
2019-12-13T12:29:21Z
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@samp @nitox @gemlog @mike yeah! It will work with providers who have IMAP/SMTP support.You can even use your own Mailinabox Server if you wish.
(DIR) Post #9pvEPzJYG7fC5PetrU by null0x0@fosstodon.org
2019-12-13T12:29:45Z
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@nik @r i use xmpp! It is not beginner friendly.
(DIR) Post #9pvEXe9ioH2MmTiFzE by null0x0@fosstodon.org
2019-12-13T12:31:07Z
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@nikXMPP is better than this! I would say this is suitable for absolute noobs! @r
(DIR) Post #9pvEdtrjJXBjF2HMoK by null0x0@fosstodon.org
2019-12-13T12:32:14Z
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@delta is here! Ask any technical questions to them! 🙂
(DIR) Post #9pvEorMiwwQkfn0CtE by design_RG@qoto.org
2019-12-13T12:34:15Z
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@null0x0 @delta Wonderful, I like that.Hadn't heard about it yet but it's nice to have independent alternatives. 👍
(DIR) Post #9pvEupuBIB2ZshV9PM by nitox@fosstodon.org
2019-12-13T10:46:10Z
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@fmartingr @null0x0 @gemlog @mike well, true thing, but emails are for emails, its slow, it can't scale like instant messaging.
(DIR) Post #9pvEuq6wWjFUWHTLIe by gemlog@mastodonten.de
2019-12-13T11:15:19Z
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@samp proton and tutanota can each perform an MITM with javascript if they wish, so I think they are a dead-end anyhow.Still reading, but it looks interesting. It seems to solve a couple of long-standing problems for getting people to use encryption.https://delta.chat/en/helpBut. But, they still need to install a certain app and even that's too much for many ppl. However, it works around that by not encrypting, so it is not a show-stopper.Interesting...@nitox @fmartingr @null0x0 @mike
(DIR) Post #9pvEuqL7g0ajEG6fOy by null0x0@fosstodon.org
2019-12-13T12:35:17Z
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@gemlog @samp @nitox @fmartingr @mike it is an introductory passage to advanced tools without depending on centralised solutions like Signal, WhatsApp etc..More advanced users can use XMPP, Riot yadayada!
(DIR) Post #9pvExhgsI4A3Gye2Nc by fmartingr@fosstodon.org
2019-12-13T11:16:26Z
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@nitox Well, maybe it's not the perfect solution but is a smart one. Is fast enough for messaging and everyone already have an e-mail address. Plus the infrastructure is already there, so no need to create new protocols and stuff. I saw the talk of the folk who created it and it was very interesting.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prfgtpdeoNA @null0x0 @gemlog @mike
(DIR) Post #9pvExi3uuOaoQRQRIO by null0x0@fosstodon.org
2019-12-13T12:35:49Z
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@fmartingr @nitox @gemlog @mike added to my watch list! Thank you for sharing. Will watch it this weekend if I get free time.
(DIR) Post #9pvF0FesyAS1CYvgDQ by null0x0@fosstodon.org
2019-12-13T12:36:18Z
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@design_RG @delta And also available on FDroid! ++
(DIR) Post #9pvHBeaYos9ZcCTGUa by design_RG@qoto.org
2019-12-13T13:00:46Z
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@null0x0 @delta Wonderful!And while I was having breaksfast, I remembered where I had heard the name.A few Cuban young people were hanging out and chatting away, I joined them to practice Spanish and was fun. Then it became clear they were still living in Cuba - and that surprised me, that they could be connected into the Mastodon instances, while still physically there. Internet in Cuba was slow, hard to find and expensive last time I was there.They explained that they used their government issued email accounts and something called #deltachat . Aha!This has opened a channel they wouldn't have otherwise; our chat was fast paced, and knowing it worked bridging these and across national barriers to other traffic is great.@esperera_98 is at our instance, some others were from different ones.
(DIR) Post #9pvIFs3YmxTAUsbt6u by null0x0@fosstodon.org
2019-12-13T13:12:44Z
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@design_RG @delta @esperera_98 oh amazing! So Govt promotes Deltachat? Nice.
(DIR) Post #9pvIYdpHv7gJrgsvT6 by design_RG@qoto.org
2019-12-13T13:16:07Z
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@null0x0 Nooooo. I don't think they know their people are using it and getting access to the Net under the radar.Which is even more amazing!@delta @esperera_98
(DIR) Post #9pvIbtQ6OpYn64efFw by null0x0@fosstodon.org
2019-12-13T13:16:42Z
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@jookiaCan you expand on this? @delta
(DIR) Post #9pvIgtg6roYrLUWpFI by null0x0@fosstodon.org
2019-12-13T13:17:37Z
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@design_RG @deltaIT is! :itisamystery: @esperera_98
(DIR) Post #9pvIpgItxgpITKrUEi by design_RG@qoto.org
2019-12-13T13:19:13Z
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@null0x0 @delta The conversation is here for details. All in Spanish though.https://mastodon.xyz/@adbenitez/103252228792127546
(DIR) Post #9pvJdR3ev4gdfQSNHc by null0x0@fosstodon.org
2019-12-13T13:28:12Z
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@jookiaThat makes sense, it is vulnerable if someone manages to steal access to the account? But it is still secure in the sense no one can easily decrypt already encrypted messages ! So I don't see any issue with that. As I said advanced users can use other tools ;) @delta
(DIR) Post #9pvMz3noMbvBm52zIm by BalooUriza@meow.social
2019-12-13T14:05:41Z
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@null0x0 Why not just be its own thing using SMTP/IMAP for transport instead of relying on an external MUA?
(DIR) Post #9pvNkpbUSQ2Bdc3yKG by amanajayvarma@fosstodon.org
2019-12-13T14:14:19Z
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@null0x0 great app
(DIR) Post #9pvNz0vl8nXAp1J4SG by Massick@mastodon.social
2019-12-13T14:16:53Z
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@null0x0 there are similar non-open-source alternatives here, since mail is the only way some of us have to access internet, this is changing though #cuba anyway, #DeltaChat is a great option and its best asset is the big (and growing) community of developers and enthusiasts@design_RG @delta @esperera_98 @adbenitez
(DIR) Post #9pvOFh4MEonS97HXPc by design_RG@qoto.org
2019-12-13T14:19:56Z
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@Massick I haven't visited Cuba in many years, am very fond of the country. I am happy that this bridge is opening for you.The Revolution needs to update itself, the struggle is very real and widespread nowadays.Future belongs to the younger, as we all have a limited time on this planet. Cheering for you all, hermanos y hermanas.@null0x0 @delta @esperera_98 @adbenitez
(DIR) Post #9pvOxoxCHikhLCyS6S by amanajayvarma@fosstodon.org
2019-12-13T14:27:54Z
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@null0x0 I really like that is have Linux Clint also. :linux:
(DIR) Post #9pvPakb0QBMF7R9of2 by null0x0@fosstodon.org
2019-12-13T14:34:55Z
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@MassickGreat! 🙂 @design_RG @delta @esperera_98 @adbenitez
(DIR) Post #9pvPf71EzilxozVa2S by null0x0@fosstodon.org
2019-12-13T14:35:32Z
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@amanajayvarma yeah!
(DIR) Post #9pvPsiyx9yQtKIvfeK by Massick@mastodon.social
2019-12-13T14:38:10Z
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@null0x0 @design_RG @delta @esperera_98 @adbenitez And now I'm replying from #DeltaChat
(DIR) Post #9pvRuHmjRtMrSo5Kvg by racuna@mstdn.io
2019-12-13T15:00:53Z
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@null0x0 I hope they fixed the battery consumption when the phone has no service (rural areas, while hiking, etc)
(DIR) Post #9pvSfXaIWaNO4inmKm by null0x0@fosstodon.org
2019-12-13T15:09:25Z
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@racuna @delta can let you know!
(DIR) Post #9pvkc5z6TxjsmWuZXs by dsteve@mastodon.social
2019-12-13T18:30:28Z
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@null0x0 But the problem is always the users. Whatsapp and company drag users to use their app because their friends, family and coworkers use that app. I am not criticizing no delta chat (if not quite the opposite) or anything like that, but I find it difficult to think that one day it will be a big whatsapp.
(DIR) Post #9pvmxRiN5L7yAMOSe0 by null0x0@fosstodon.org
2019-12-13T18:56:45Z
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@dsteve I am not saying that it will be big 🙂, I just want this or any other app to be the foundation or stepping stone to users taking back their privacy. I have used various apps and this is one of the few apps that just works, No phone number required, people already have e-mail ID so it just works and fits right in.
(DIR) Post #9pvoP97TukSiYbuXLM by dsteve@mastodon.social
2019-12-13T19:12:58Z
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@null0x0 ah, you don't need phone number? I didn't know, I didn't try it either. that's cool when you need the app for something very specific
(DIR) Post #9pvpbi8Nen5Sa8t24u by null0x0@fosstodon.org
2019-12-13T19:26:26Z
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@dsteve 🙂
(DIR) Post #9pwKFbS24gWuo2x6rA by null0x0@fosstodon.org
2019-12-14T01:09:48Z
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@BalooUriza because they want to focus on being a drop in replacement over existing tech.
(DIR) Post #9pwviEe9dXHymV8dsW by TeddyDD@octodon.social
2019-12-14T08:09:32Z
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@null0x0I keep eye on https://git.sr.ht/~eliasnaur/scatterbut this looks interest too
(DIR) Post #9q2gky1PJWp5BZgJEG by adbenitez@mastodon.social
2019-12-16T18:47:08Z
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@jookia @null0x0 @delta that is an Autocrypt issue but not for #DeltaChat!!! with Delta Chat you can verify a contact just by scanning a QR code, once your contact is verified, it is warrantied that there are no MITM, also tehre are "Verified Groups" which only works if all contacts are verified
(DIR) Post #9q2gl00lurVFMBOpW4 by null0x0@fosstodon.org
2019-12-17T02:50:12Z
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@adbenitez @jookia @delta yeah! I saw that we have an option to scan and verify QR!
(DIR) Post #9q2icpdMocCSlNgY9A by adbenitez@mastodon.social
2019-12-16T18:21:20Z
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@flab @null0x0 the good thing is that #DeltaChat doesn't force you to use Delta Chat, so you can be happy in your terminal using something like #mutt chatting with encrypted emails, with your friends that don't love classic #email as much as us ;) or simply don't even know what #PGP is
(DIR) Post #9q2ictJf7ooaBQUrzM by null0x0@fosstodon.org
2019-12-17T03:11:04Z
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@adbenitez @flab yeah! That's cool.
(DIR) Post #9qolRFfNuFOko8HSHw by hugot@amsterdon.nl
2020-01-08T21:34:02Z
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Hi, I just came back to this toot to say that since it introduced me to deltachat I have been a happy user and have started working on some deltachat related projects in my favourite language: Go.Both projects are work in progress but I figured that some people might be interested in them🤓There's go bindings to the C FFI here:https://github.com/hugot/go-deltachatAnd there's a WhatsApp bridge here:https://github.com/hugot/whapp-deltachatThanks for introducing me to DC @null0x0 !#deltachat #golang #foss
(DIR) Post #9qomFkCaeLkbzVtAbA by null0x0@fosstodon.org
2020-01-09T07:37:55Z
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@hugot wow! Nice! Will check the links when free, 🙂