Post 9prBJ9G7oFZIPKGNjU by pkphilip@mstdn.social
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(DIR) Post #9pbq8ebYb3jC74r2FU by praveen@social.masto.host
2019-12-04T02:19:52Z
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Interview: Why Harsher Criminal Laws Won't Make Sexual Violence Go AwayWhen laws are not implemented, there is a temptation to ask for more draconian laws that are implemented even less, because of the bad conscience this may give judges, while compromising the right to fair trial guaranteed under our constitution and overcriminalising consensual sexual relations at a time when sexual mores are undergoing a dramatic change.https://thewire.in/law/prabha-kotiswaran-sexual-violence-human-trafficking#rape #india
(DIR) Post #9pbqX1P3U6XNlrct2e by pkphilip@mstdn.social
2019-12-04T04:02:34Z
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@praveen Yes, the entire judicial system needs to be overhauled. In the vast majority of cases, the judicial system simply does not work. This is something very few people are willing to acknowledge - especially the courts themselves. A working judicial system would have the following characteristics: Cases must be tried and completed without the huge delays that we are seeing now.
(DIR) Post #9pbsdwr2zguLbE9M5w by pkphilip@mstdn.social
2019-12-04T04:26:13Z
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@praveen I think the legal system could use a software with a built in rules engine for allowing both sides to enter answer a series of questions using a decision tree and with an ability to scan and upload pre-authenticated documents to support their statements.If such a system included a decision-tree based logic for at least informing the judge as to which side is legally right or not, I wonder if this wouldn't drastically lower the time it takes for cases to go through the court system.
(DIR) Post #9pbstbB7LzJr0N0532 by pkphilip@mstdn.social
2019-12-04T04:29:03Z
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@praveen For instance, for a case where a tenant is squatting on a property, the landlord could initiate a case for illegal squatting and that specified decision tree logic will then ask him a series of questions and also ask him to furnish a set of pre-authenticated documents. The tenant will receive a notification and they will be able to counter with their own answers (via the decision tree logic) and also present their own documents to support their case.After this the court can step in
(DIR) Post #9prBJ8tn9HhhI3oXvE by praveen@social.masto.host
2019-12-04T08:41:03Z
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@pkphilipI guess it could help to some extend. But social problems can't be solved entirely by technology alone. There needs to be political will to bring forward such changes too. I don't expect the current ruling class would really want such changes. For me the solution starts when we are willing to get involved in politics and take ownership of the mess we are in. Ideas does not matter much if we don't find a way to implement it.
(DIR) Post #9prBJ9G7oFZIPKGNjU by pkphilip@mstdn.social
2019-12-11T13:35:58Z
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@praveen True, but I am referring only to automating some aspects of the legal process to speed justice delivery. Social problems cannot be solved through automation.
(DIR) Post #9prBY5pErFrw6NoV1c by aashiks@micro.inflo.ws
2019-12-04T09:25:49.793384Z
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@praveen @pkphilip https://twitter.com/random_walker/status/1202045579330760705There is merit to this. Even though law is logical and a course of action can be a decision tree, determining something like justice from a finite set of rules is neither easy and ironically, not justified. Technology is awesome. We can avoid lawyers to a certain extent, but applying technology to solve social problems isn't always feasible. I recall the excellent "100 സിംഹാസനങ്ങൾ" here. Such a rules based system can't really determine the very real social injustice without also reinforcing the existing system. Zynep Tufekci( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeynep_Tufekci) has written and talked about it a lot. Do watch some of her talks, like this https://www.ted.com/talks/zeynep_tufekci_machine_intelligence_makes_human_morals_more_important/transcriptThe blatant ignorance of privacy and people's emotions are some of the things we programmers must be aware of. Software should not just be correct, it should also do the right thing.
(DIR) Post #9prBY6A9bUbD9FbCcq by pkphilip@mstdn.social
2019-12-11T13:38:42Z
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@aashiks @praveen A lot of legal process is actually quite easily definable via a decision tree. Example: If a person is squatting on property, then a few questions about who is the actual owner of the property, whether there is an existing valid legally binding rental agreement etc can all lead to the correct decision support for the judge - that, this person is indeed an illegal squatter and should be asked to vacate the property.
(DIR) Post #9prBqrFhGV4EPE8YEK by pkphilip@mstdn.social
2019-12-11T13:42:07Z
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@aashiks @praveen We don't necessarily need an AI driven system.. A simple system which processes a decision tree based on a rule engine should be sufficient.
(DIR) Post #9psWd2kpzmsUDkuto8 by aashiks@micro.inflo.ws
2019-12-11T23:39:22.921763Z
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@pkphilip @praveen it may not always be the case and it'd be easy to game such a system. You'd only have time to plug it with exceptions. Like I said, what we as technologists overlook is the social justice aspect. Hence the encouragement to read the book
(DIR) Post #9psWd3A0UD0jToh02S by pkphilip@mstdn.social
2019-12-12T05:09:37Z
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@aashiks @praveen A fully open source solution where the rules are human readable and clear and which can be tested should work ok. Also, this is just a decision support system. The judge ultimately decides on the judgement.There are a number of existing opensource rules engines. Ex: Drools.
(DIR) Post #9psWtm98zrUJdRGSAK by aashiks@micro.inflo.ws
2019-12-12T05:10:30.613818Z
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@pkphilip @praveen I strongly suggest you watch the Zainep's talk. Something without a sense of morality in such cases is a drag.
(DIR) Post #9psWtmOk3rxsPoYuTg by pkphilip@mstdn.social
2019-12-12T05:12:39Z
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@aashiks @praveen Zainep's approach uses AI which has its problems in a legal scenario. Decision trees are already being used in legal scenarios and it is a lot easier to tell how a decision was arrived at:http://settlementperspectives.com/2009/01/decision-tree-analysis-in-litigation-the-basics/