Post 9pYcL2sQEDur1i8yA4 by freemo@qoto.org
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(DIR) Post #9pYSCkXHXLDkHif32W by freemo@qoto.org
2019-12-02T12:45:47Z
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Interesting fact of the day: Webster's Dictionary in 1828 defined gender in much the same way as modern liberals define it, that being, ones expression of pronouns and does not strictly adhere to any sense of sex. In fact the dictionary definition at the time goes into some detail on that point.So strictly speaking assigning ones gender based on preferred pronouns or expression of femininity/masculinity is in fact the traditional and historic usage of the word.Here is a word-for-word copy of the text of the definition for gender in Webster's 1828 dictionary:In grammar, a difference in words to express distinction of sex; usually a difference of termination in nouns, adjectives and participles, to express the distinction of male and female. But although this was the original design of different terminations, yet in the progress of language, other words having no relation to one sex or the other, came to have genders assigned them by custom. Words expressing males are said to be of the masculine gender; those expressing females, of the feminine gender; and in some languages, words expressing things having no sex, are of the neuter or neither genderhttp://webstersdictionary1828.com/Dictionary/gender#gender #english #grammar #lgbt #lgbtq #equalrights #trans
(DIR) Post #9pYSPXVxGGLVfF8gZE by Rovine@qoto.org
2019-12-02T12:48:05Z
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@freemo That's it, I'm choosing Attack Helicopter as my gender.
(DIR) Post #9pYSdFTB9FBFkmNTFY by freemo@qoto.org
2019-12-02T12:50:34Z
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@Rovine There are two different arguments being conflated here1) People can choose their gender, on a spectrum between masculine and feminine, based on how they express themselves (dress, act, talk)2) That genders do not exist on a spectrum and can be anything that you feel id "right"I agree with #1, but not with #2.
(DIR) Post #9pYT36ZIrhYPfyZUqe by freemo@qoto.org
2019-12-02T12:55:12Z
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@CCoinTradingIdeas Gender is still about words, The words we use called adjectives. No one wants it to be about anything other than that. Thats why sex is a different word.There are only two **sexes** (and more rarely intersex). But as the definition has **always** been, sex is **not** the same as gender.
(DIR) Post #9pYVVYsxNPUJW4SekS by Meachamus_Prime@noagendasocial.com
2019-12-02T13:22:51Z
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@freemo @CCoinTradingIdeas I think it's pretty obvious this definition is referring to conventions for gendering inanimate objects, such as in the Latin languages where their neuter pronoun is a recent development and conventions in English like referring to sea ships or nations with feminine pronouns.
(DIR) Post #9pYVwpZxQ03L6pZrP6 by freemo@qoto.org
2019-12-02T13:27:47Z
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@Meachamus_Prime No, if that were the case then the definition would say so. Definitions are wordy and precise specifically so you cant pull that sort of nonsense.What I will say is this. At the time cross-dressers/trans were a lot less common in public. For that reason most of the time it wasnt even a question which one had to think about when talking about people. That only happened behind closed doors.@CCoinTradingIdeas
(DIR) Post #9pYazSNOdo2pmrm1MO by Meachamus_Prime@noagendasocial.com
2019-12-02T14:24:19Z
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@freemo @CCoinTradingIdeas Which is exactly why that definition does say so. Dictionaries have contemporary context. Regardless of how much they attempt to define the context, they cannot always do so due to in-system biases. The in-system bias in this case is the assumption that gender for non neuter objects is their sex.
(DIR) Post #9pYb5Y2uTUG56n5zuK by Meachamus_Prime@noagendasocial.com
2019-12-02T14:25:25Z
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@freemo @CCoinTradingIdeas Its actually well proven by the sentence, "But although this was the original design of different terminations, yet in the progress of language, other words having no relation to one sex or the other, came to have genders assigned them by custom." It has the in-system bias of gender being a sex specific trait.
(DIR) Post #9pYcL2sQEDur1i8yA4 by freemo@qoto.org
2019-12-02T14:39:24Z
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@Meachamus_Prime Fair point, but as you say, context. It is explaining that while gender grew out of the idea of sex it has now come to mean something no longer dictated by sex.@CCoinTradingIdeas