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(DIR) Post #9goSn0RSUbgw9nEHyq by GodlessNZ@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-16T01:09:27Z
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(1) Thread: Criminal offences for online speech under NZ law. This is highly topical after 15/3, which is now NZ's 9/11. (We switch the dates around here, sorry.) "[Police are] aware there are distressing materials related to this event circulating widely online. We would urge anyone who has been affected... to seek appropriate support.We would also like to remind the public that it is an offence to distribute an objectionable publication and that is punishable by imprisonment."
(DIR) Post #9goSnZlX9xXviBtJdA by GodlessNZ@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-16T01:15:05Z
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(2) Pretty sure NZ Police are referring to the video of the larger of the two mass murder scenes. It falls well within NZ's legal definition of an "objectionable publication" that can lead to a hefty fine and/or a prison sentence. This law change was made in 2018. I didn't like it much then but I now realize it was designed to help combat the aftermath of the 15/3 that we knew would be inevitable in some form. 15/3 is far worse than I expected, based on attacks in the other 5 Eyes countries.
(DIR) Post #9goT5ot5fwbxp97ovo by ThomasWic@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-16T01:22:18Z
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@GodlessNZ The Islamic State is using the video to gin up support for attacks against westerners.I downloaded it, but I would never post it.Watching such things both traumatizes and inures you, creating a stew of stress hormones in your brain and circulatory system.The gore aficionados are giving themselves atherosclerosis without knowing it.They deserve it.
(DIR) Post #9goUSNnieIc6Qlw3yC by GodlessNZ@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-16T01:25:53Z
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(3) I'm using 5 Eyes as shorthand for the countries that always come to my mind when I'm doing "comparative politics", a sub-discipline of my 1990s college degree. The UK, US, CAN, AU and NZ are a unique grouping of English speaking allied countries who for at least a century have shared intel, among other things, in the fight against the world's axis of evil (whichever countries/networks are running it at the time.) Anyway, the POS/PsOS who attacked us on 15/3 picked the WRONG country.
(DIR) Post #9goUSO1Xotfl7eP6WG by GodlessNZ@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-16T01:30:35Z
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(4) These incompetent trolls who are playing into the hands of our adversaries (Islamic State, Iran, China, etc) want to spread their written and filmed sewage to as many people as possible, esp. those already vulnerable, eg children, and those with PTSD, such as around 250k people who, like me, were in Christchurch on 22 Feb 2011 when an earthquake killed 185 people. If you WANT to watch the vid, you can. I wouldn't do it.
(DIR) Post #9goUSOCBBMBBedNb60 by GodlessNZ@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-16T01:35:47Z
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(5) Since most of you are not in NZ and therefore not under the jurisdiction of NZ law, you don't need to take it into consideration before deciding to "distribute" the video. The legal definition of distribute (in NZ) includes sharing/sending the link or the file. It might even including downloading it, bc it's being transmitted from a server to your device or to cloud storage you own. They picked the wrong country, bc NZ can reduce the attention they can get, eg trying to speak in court.
(DIR) Post #9goZ9mM5dEbkqyxbjU by GodlessNZ@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-16T01:38:45Z
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(6) I'm not a lawyer but I've gained knowledge of the NZ courts and policing system through significant on the job experience. I'm also a policy analyst and PR adviser by profession. Surviving the earthquake and other traumas gave me PTSD, and progress at rebuilding my life is slow but is going in the right direction at last. So you get my free services for now, congrats.😎
(DIR) Post #9goZ9mYqrmofUYvncm by GodlessNZ@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-16T01:42:14Z
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(7) There is huge scope for a NZ judge to control his or her courtroom, and what information is allowed to leave it without someone being thrown in jail for contempt of court, or more. Our judges are very good at using this power wisely, compared to in other countries. AU, for example, has a judicial culture of mind-boggling leniency for sex offenders, exemplified yet again by the light sentence & disturbing remarks made re ex-priest and all round monster George Pell.
(DIR) Post #9goZ9mn2149uCXZ7j6 by GodlessNZ@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-16T01:45:54Z
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(8) In that case, the AU judge claimed that allegedly not molesting children for 22 years shows Pell has rehabilitated himself, despite his continued denials of any wrongdoing. One of his victims in just this prosecution died of a heroin overdose. Then there's all the other kids around the world molested bc Pell or the current Pope just moved a priest to another place instead of reporting him to local Police. But I digress. Each country's law and culture is different.
(DIR) Post #9goZ9mwbRToagE2le4 by GodlessNZ@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-16T01:52:11Z
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(9) A note about numbers. I don't know how many Christchurch earthquake survivors have PTSD, or to what degree. So I extrapolated a number from the data (which is what governments do most of the time anyway.) Population in 2011 was around 300k IIRC. The former Mayor said last night that around 500k were affected, so I estimate 50% have PTSD. It doesn't matter how many, it is a lot, and it's the dynamic that I'm interested in, not the numbers so much.
(DIR) Post #9goZ9n7wlItBFPLpKK by GodlessNZ@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-16T01:57:09Z
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(10) As @ThomasWic has said since yesterday, the intended purpose of the video can be inferred from what is already known about it. Here's one of his threads, there are many: https://social.quodverum.com/@ThomasWic/101752779816567794 The Islamic State are already using the video to incite retaliatory attacks against non-Muslims, as they always have. Thomas, Saul & I have always said that it will get rough when we get close to finally wiping out IS militarily. We are now past that point.
(DIR) Post #9goZ9nHsAOpRkBzknY by GodlessNZ@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-16T02:02:55Z
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(11) Not one of us can predict what will happen next. Will there be even more heinous attacks elsewhere in NZ or the US or other allied countries? Probably. Thomas says definitely. We each need to protect ourselves as best we can. At a minimum, get situational awareness training. If legal in your state or country, be armed and trained for self and other defense. Don't go to big events. There's a war on, it's not worth it. If you get killed at a soft target I'm sorry but I won't sympathize.
(DIR) Post #9goZ9nVLMJbWPyIVnM by GodlessNZ@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-16T02:04:59Z
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(12) I sympathize with the innocents who are killed at soft targets if they didn't know... ie children or just sweet innocent adults who didn't look for the information like what you are reading in this thread. My fellow New Zealanders who were murdered yesterday are in that category. I do sympathize with them... while wishing they had secured their building. There is a war on.
(DIR) Post #9goZ9njAWufB6qlYLQ by GodlessNZ@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-16T02:08:41Z
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(13) The war has been raging since human life began, but especially since we learned how to travel the world in ships, aircraft and with phone, radio, TV and internet technology. Study WWI and the fall of the Ottoman Empire. That is essential to understanding the current war. Then study the Nazis from 1922-1947... their friends, their appeasers, and their postwar destinations. You will find the roots of Al Qaeda and the Islamic State.
(DIR) Post #9goZ9nylav8jtE40em by GodlessNZ@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-16T02:12:26Z
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(14) You will find that the Iranian Regime and the Muslim Brotherhood were involved through intermediaries in the groundwork over two decades that enabled Obama to win the 2008 election. All that time, since the mid 1960s at least, private citizen Donald J. Trump was covertly gathering info and doing the groundwork that enabled him to win the 2016 election. It's absolutely phenomenal. The greatest story never told... for now. Our kids will inherit the story.
(DIR) Post #9goZ9oBWpTLeWo2CY4 by GodlessNZ@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-16T02:15:55Z
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(15) I write disorganized threads when I'm under stress but I need make no apology because as you know, I'm one of the hundreds of thousands of already traumatized PTSD affected people that our adversaries are trying to gaslight on 16/3/19 (today, in NZ.) Only I can control who can gaslight me, and I choose to stop them being able to do it. What works for one person can work for a group of people, too. Take back control of your mind, every day. There's a war on.
(DIR) Post #9goZ9oV1eywbVH9lwG by Beemer4Trump@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-16T02:21:47Z
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@GodlessNZ Your threads areincredible! I understand that youhave PTSD, but like @ThomasWic you communicate in a mannerthat is relatable, and from theheart. It is a true gift.
(DIR) Post #9goZ9oiUqtigB3SWw4 by GodlessNZ@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-16T02:26:35Z
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@Beemer4Trump Thank you and I think you are right. My journey and my threads are different to those of @ThomasWic and @Debradelai and other sage men and women but we each have been blessed with certain gifts that we can use at this, the right time. My heart is filled with gratitude for the opportunities we all have.
(DIR) Post #9gofMTNs4qsbVMEJMG by GodlessNZ@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-16T02:24:34Z
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(16) Place yourself on a war footing, I have. Not knowing that 15/3 would come, I've spent the last 6 months watching WWII docos every day out of interest and bc they are oddly soothing. But it's not odd to me: They are stories of great adversity and great courage. And that training has been one of the pillars holding me up on and after 15/3. They survived truly "beyond words" suffering, and we can too. Winston S. Churchill. What a man. He's Trump's hero, and mine.
(DIR) Post #9gofMTaHKinw7q2DhI by GodlessNZ@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-16T02:33:11Z
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(17) Now obviously, the USA was the critical factor that allowed the allies to win the war, and I don't know if we'd been able to do it without you. But... I think I've figured out... you had a President who was a Democrat, so that's why certain things happened between 1939 and 1941. And it could have been worse, bc FDR himself saw what VP Wallace would have done so he quietly removed him from the succession. Thank God. All our countries were not sufficiently prepared for WWII.
(DIR) Post #9gofMTj8nltSZKBIVk by GodlessNZ@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-16T02:36:11Z
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(18) Study WWII (before, during and after) and you will get a better idea of what Trump is all about. He has closely studied all wars, since boyhood. He must be a speed reader, I think. And he will have listened to and discussed it with a plethora of eyewitnesses, decision makers and students of war. Just think of WWCD, (What Would Churchill Do), and you will know what Trump will do. Theresa May "gets it." She's doing just fine, btw.
(DIR) Post #9gofMTuq6HFd9bedkG by GodlessNZ@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-16T02:38:59Z
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(19) Seeing a headline this morning, within the first 24 hours since the 15/3 attacks, of NZ PM Ardern openly bashing Trump, the leader of a foreign country, for our darkest day, has led me to conclude the following. This was a double-tap attack. Psychologically. I'll explain.
(DIR) Post #9gofMU57U3TTfUSqlk by DeplorableAynNY@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-16T02:54:53Z
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@GodlessNZ Note to self: I am so angry at the accusation. Grrrrrr.
(DIR) Post #9gofMUF2t9PkAH6mEy by Baline@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-16T02:59:24Z
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@DeplorableAynNY @GodlessNZ Me too. HW is spot on, this was a double-tap. What PM Ardern said was not much different then what Jussie Smollett did, just on a bigger stage. Intentionally lie to inflame people and attempt to start a war. WTF is wrong with these people?!
(DIR) Post #9gofMUPKGvdag9uzGS by GodlessNZ@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-16T03:22:47Z
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@Baline @DeplorableAynNY What is wrong with these people (ie Jacinda Ardern) is that they are communists who hate America and her values. They will do literally anything to harm America and try to stop her from being the rest of the world's shining city on a hill. America is so strong she has always held off communists and others who hate her Freedom and Justice. And she will do it again. I just hope the body count is as low as possible.
(DIR) Post #9gofMUcRUA85Kq3Si0 by Baline@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-16T03:26:39Z
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@GodlessNZ @DeplorableAynNY Agree. I was more so asking in frustration at how they became what they are. That boggles my mind.
(DIR) Post #9gofMUjB57W7fjCqCu by capnjoe@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-16T03:39:44Z
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@Baline @GodlessNZ @DeplorableAynNY You're familiar, I'm sure, with the term "iron sharpens iron?"It's a bit like that only it's a slew of online turds rubbing against one another until the shittiest among them rises to the top.Cream of the crap.Picture an endless circle of turds, each one trying to be shittier than the next until "murder is the only door through which they enter life."https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcvQsetOV4g
(DIR) Post #9gofbqaw3waNpqfhWy by Baline@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-16T03:42:32Z
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@capnjoe @GodlessNZ @DeplorableAynNY I get that, but it still doesn't explain the genesis of their sickness.
(DIR) Post #9gofxGzJ839hm0HutM by capnjoe@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-16T03:46:25Z
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@Baline @GodlessNZ @DeplorableAynNY Immersion in filth is their Genesis.
(DIR) Post #9goiqQEEfngKGhhAhM by JJ@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-16T03:45:59Z
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@GodlessNZ Great thread! Stand strong NZ - we are with you.Hatred and violence must be defeated
(DIR) Post #9gouxLpubKAq7gO9ei by GodlessNZ@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-16T02:43:07Z
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(20) Many jihadist and other terrorist attacks, esp. in the middle east or north africa, are double-tap attacks. They detonate near or fire at people, then as first responders are trying to help the survivors, they strike again, to take them out as well. It is done as psychological warfare. A psyop, gaslighting. They WANT to kill the most vulnerable people, bc of the extreme harm & greater number of INDIRECT targets. I am an indirect target. So are you, probably. We can undo it though.
(DIR) Post #9gouxM1xsVoaj41mRU by GodlessNZ@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-16T02:47:38Z
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(21) 15/3 in Christchurch was the first-tap of the attack. Then, on 16/3, just as millions of responders were making progress in caring for those indirectly targeted, Jacinda Ardern swooped in and made the double-tap. She told the many Trump supporters or non-haters in NZ that he (inexplicably) caused it. No. 8chan culture caused it. Trump saves millions of Muslim lives. All lives matter. Ardern is a divisive figure. She is everything she tries to slander Trump with.
(DIR) Post #9gouxMF55kJ5NkAFt2 by GodlessNZ@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-16T02:55:36Z
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(22) Arden is worse than Trudeau, Merkel, Corbyn, any US Democrat, and even Maduro in some ways. She built her career when she was the head of the International Socialist Youth organization or whatever it's called. In 2011 an affiliate of that group was targeted by mass murderer Anders Breivik who slaughtered 77 innocent souls in Norway. Ardern was handpicked years ago by the then PM, Helen Clark, who is the Hillary Clinton of NZ. How I wish Clark was there now instead of Ardern.
(DIR) Post #9gouxMWo1qU8GiSPVw by GodlessNZ@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-16T04:40:31Z
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(23) The fact that I, one of the people who detests HRC the most, am now wishing her NZ protege was PM again instead of the radical far left anti-America Jacinda Ardern, says a lot, doesn't it? So much can change in 24 hours. I just heard NZ is going to ban semi-automatic weapons. Fine, whatever. It won't make a blind bit of difference, as sane, non-hysterical people like us all know. I was vulnerable without a gun before and I still am.
(DIR) Post #9gouxMmP5qxh35krpI by GodlessNZ@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-16T04:43:25Z
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(24) I could own long guns and get licensed if I want to but frankly I can't be bothered. Instead I campaign for our LEOs AT LEAST to be adequately armed to save their own and others' lives. They're often expected to get a gun from their locked car, as if that's going to save them. Insanity. That's what pervades in this country. I love the USA. God bless her.
(DIR) Post #9gouxMx2SJT7a4jMP2 by GodlessNZ@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-16T04:52:20Z
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(25) Here's some brief words from the NZ leader of the opposition, Simon Bridges. Think Marco Rubio mixed with Dan Quayle. Bridges is standing under the picture on the right of the row of pics. They relegated him to the b/g. Typical. The future PM to watch is Judith Collins. She will be great. Think Elaine Chao mixed with Marsha Blackburn. The women in the pic are wearing headscarves, which is right and proper today. https://www.facebook.com/simonjbridges/photos/a.815049635193874/2385864058112416/?type=3&permPage=1
(DIR) Post #9gouxN5tvMYe1YsRDU by GodlessNZ@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-16T04:58:13Z
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(26) I say headscarves bc in NZ most Muslim women who wear a head covering (and many don't) wear it loosely, like Ardern is wearing hers. I've only once seen a woman in a full burka. Almost all Muslims in NZ are "Kiwi Muslim," a unique kind of laidback, easy going person that you would love to hang out with. In fact I do sometimes. The food smells emanating from my neighbor's home are incredible. Its the same with Kiwi Jews. There's hardly any obvious division here based on faith or race.
(DIR) Post #9gouxNL90gkcmq0bya by GodlessNZ@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-16T05:01:49Z
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(27) And I don't see that social cohesion changing for the worse any time soon, either. This pain is bringing us all together. The secular majority, who have little appreciation or understanding of why religious freedom matters, are getting a lesson in that. Since the 1950s the left has steadily removed any consideration of faith or religion from national life. It's gone from schools. Parents have nothing to teach, bc they don't know anything about it, except to mock.
(DIR) Post #9gouxNRsbe8f7j9zTU by GodlessNZ@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-16T05:05:37Z
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(28) I am thankful every day that I was raised in a Christian home. Partly since I'm sought after in pub quiz teams bc I'm the only one who can answer questions about the religion and text that underpins our culture. And my upbringing gave me a working moral compass that even my adult siblings somehow didn't develop. Of course, some of them claim to be devout Christians. That's a story for another day, LOL.
(DIR) Post #9gouxNak4hEBZDJ4Hw by GodlessNZ@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-16T05:11:10Z
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(29) I already appreciated and respected Kiwi Muslims and being a sane, non hysterical person I am only looking for the good that can come from this terrible tragedy. Life is constantly giving us lemons with which to make ever improving quality batches of lemonade. If you don't get that principle yet, you will. I hope the lemons aren't too sour.
(DIR) Post #9gouxNnVJFR6CnHGBE by GodlessNZ@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-16T05:55:50Z
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(30) After 29 hours, finally, a few sad tears. I did pretty well, for me. Normally I can cry at the drop of a hat like GHWB could. A bunch of things have enabled me to function like a first responder for a personal-best record length of time. I'll be OK, tears are normal and expected and somehow helpful I guess. We're going through hell over here. It's our 9/11. Similar yet different, and it's no competition. TY all for the love and prayers. You're wonderful.
(DIR) Post #9gouxO4WHz2z3ZEqhc by GodlessNZ@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-16T05:59:18Z
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(31) Many songs helped me process my post 9/11/2001 feelings but I only heard this one recently. NZ still isn't ready for such Americanist themes, lol. I sure am though. "We'll put a boot in your ass, it's the American way." ⭐ ⭐ ⭐ 🇺🇸 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruNrdmjcNTc
(DIR) Post #9gp4zDocOORJMqJXYO by Dawnz@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-16T08:26:53Z
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@ThomasWic @GodlessNZ I would never watch it..I just couldnt. Nope.I agree with you,it traumatizes you and it DOES mess with stress hormones/etc/all. I get enough stress in day to day crap that happens
(DIR) Post #9gq5ATMt6PK9wlfUSO by iamfree@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-16T04:24:19Z
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@GodlessNZ Thank you for your very insightful comments. I had no concept that NZ government was as corrupt, or more corrupt, than Germany, Canada, France, Venezuela etc etc Equally, after reading your information, I also consider, how could it be otherwise!
(DIR) Post #9gq5ATXAUBY0SeThTs by GodlessNZ@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-16T04:29:39Z
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@iamfree Thank you. It is gratifying to be drawing attention to the current far left NZ government's corruption and enabling of violence, esp. in relation to Germany's malign influence on it. Merkel is like the grand mama spider, spawning her young around the world. These days NZ is one of the most anti-Israel countries at the UN. Tells you everything you need to know.
(DIR) Post #9gqE3uHLYAOgy91JwW by GodlessNZ@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-16T20:43:54Z
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(32) Day 3 after the terrorist attack on my country. I'm doing better today, thanks to your support and prayers. "DECLASS is coming." The US administration is about to declassify evidence from the last decade and more that will expose how NZ, AU, CAN, UK and others assisted Obama, Bill Clinton, and others to use the power of the state against its own citizens. So of course the NZ and AU Prime Ministers are making pre-emptive rhetorical strikes against the current US admin.
(DIR) Post #9gqE3uVWhRjvg7ee2q by GodlessNZ@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-16T20:47:44Z
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(33) No I do not believe any 5 Eyes govt was involved even very indirectly in the cause of the Christchurch attacks. I do believe that career politicians specialize in CYA or Cover Your Ass politics, though. Hell, I wrote many papers advising them how to CYA during my years in NZ's capital city, Wellington. I never once stepped outside the law in doing so. That's where I differ from career politicians. And it's one of the ways Trump differs from them too.
(DIR) Post #9gqE3ufS6XgCAuIZW4 by GodlessNZ@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-16T20:49:45Z
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(34) "Hey Uncle Sam, put your name at the top of his list/And the Statue of Liberty started shakin' her fist/And the eagle will fly man, it's gonna be hell/When you hear mother freedom start ringin' her bell/And it feels like the whole wide world is raining down on you/Brought to you courtesy of the red white and blue/🇺🇸
(DIR) Post #9gqE3ul7lSDUSUx6MC by GodlessNZ@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-16T20:52:28Z
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(35) In 2001 American planes started hitting terrorist targets in Afghanistan... in 2019 Americans will expose the deadly corruption that has been concealed for too long... "Justice will be served and the battle will rage/This big dog will fight when you rattle his cage/And you'll be sorry that you messed withThe U.S. of A./'Cause we'll put a boot in your ass/It's the American way/" I am pumped for this. God bless the USA. 🦅
(DIR) Post #9gqE3uuLDBaav5GSiu by GodlessNZ@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-16T20:56:43Z
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(36) The pathetic shadow of a human who fired the weapons is immaterial (but rest assured he will never be let out of prison), and his cheering, pathetic fans are the same, but I want to be very clear about the peddlers of the ideology that allowed him to become radicalized and willing to murder for entertainment. That would be communists and socialists, who have spent the last few centuries trying to win and hold power everywhere they can, in order to enslave the rest of us.
(DIR) Post #9gqE3v2Uis6xKN4yQq by GodlessNZ@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-16T21:05:05Z
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(37) Communists often do not seem like communists, or the (direct or indirect) killers that they are. If I want, I can show good evidence for each of these: Hitler His lieutenants in Germany and elsewhere at the time FDR Woodrow Wilson JFK LBJ Jimmy Carter Khomeini and the Mullahs WJC The PLO Hamas HRC Obama Al Qaeda John Brennan Bernie Sanders Jeremy Corbyn Jacinda Ardern Justin Trudeau Maduro Castro continued...
(DIR) Post #9gqE3v9wHC49hSYv2G by GodlessNZ@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-16T21:08:58Z
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(38) Communists: Most of the current LatAm leaders Jerry Brown Jim Jones Aung San Suu Kyi Nelson Mandela Most of the Nobel Peace Prize recipients Most of the Rhodes Scholars All sociology professors You get the picture. For my purposes, I define Communism as any ideology seeking to limit the kind of freedoms affirmed in the US Constitution, for anyone in the world. "Free speech, thought, markets, and people." Freedom requires appropriate security.
(DIR) Post #9gqE3vPBMWG8Sjh5nM by GodlessNZ@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-16T21:36:23Z
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(39) This is where the US comes in. No, not as the world's policeman (another communist false claim.) The US leads by example, which is always the best way to lead. Reagan said the US is a shining city on a hill. Damn straight it is. The civic nationalism that Trump stands for is about the US getting its own house in order first, then *offering* help to other countries to gain more freedom and security if they want it. Many countries do, and they are America's closest allies.
(DIR) Post #9gqE3vXKsCmUs1VbVI by GodlessNZ@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-16T21:43:00Z
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(40) I really cannot stress enough the importance of actively ignoring the lies of communists like Jacinda Ardern, AOC, and everyone else in the Orange Man Bad club. They attack Trump for their own purposes but really they are attacking you, and me. Ardern's selfishly motivated double-tap attack on the hurting people of her own country within 24 hours is one of the most evil things I've ever seen.
(DIR) Post #9gqE5iXABjb77dHX96 by Torchbearer@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-16T02:14:50Z
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@GodlessNZ The enemy has been there for eternity.......
(DIR) Post #9gqE5j1INhhUd5Nb72 by GodlessNZ@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-16T02:19:52Z
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@Torchbearer As an agnostic I have always said I don't believe in a supernatural evil force or persona BUT since studying the real story behind world politics for the last 3 years, it's clear that "the enemy" does seem to manifest in human form... as certain politicians, cartel bosses etc.
(DIR) Post #9gqE5jEPawBzHlW4Ya by Torchbearer@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-16T02:25:36Z
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@GodlessNZ you know we are all growing here together.......Thomas shared something earlier about a dream he had prior to this horror......just beginning to understand quantum theory......just beginning.....my answer has served me my whole life and my faith is being proven out before my eyes......everything we are witnessing strengthens my resolve to stand on my faith in Christ.......no soap box here just my genuine hope that all find him......
(DIR) Post #9gqE5ja2IXUQMpdLGK by GodlessNZ@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-16T02:28:35Z
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@Torchbearer Maybe people are finding him but it seems different to different people? I do believe that our humanity brings us together if we allow it, and that if a Creator made us that way, then the ultimate credit goes to the Creator.
(DIR) Post #9gqGOwxmxpEhHi2BV2 by GodlessNZ@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-16T03:40:44Z
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@Baline @DeplorableAynNY Well, I'd like to have a go at answering that if I may. the only way I can get my head around violent socialism is that the leaders are sociopaths and the followers are gullible, more or less. I denounce the abusers and pity the victims. Some of the victims can be reached, others can't. Teaching critical thinking is key.
(DIR) Post #9gqGOxAYCNRbvI0NOK by JM@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-16T22:01:09Z
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@GodlessNZ As the left has taken critical thinking out of education.@Baline @DeplorableAynNY
(DIR) Post #9gqL1XJQfPysq8oM2y by RAD@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-16T22:13:08Z
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@GodlessNZ As has been shown over & over, if they follow thru with this ban of semi-automatic weapons, it will actually make more people vulnerable & not able to defend themselves.The bad guys will always have access to these weapons & any other weapons they deem necessary to cause the havoc they intend.Totalitarian types always try to take steps to disarm the citizens so that they have no way to defend themselves as the dictators take over!!!
(DIR) Post #9gqNPoKhEkJYUD6fpY by capnjoe@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-16T23:28:06Z
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@cressie @Baline @GodlessNZ @DeplorableAynNY A sewer is exactly what I described.And you only partially quoted me. Here's the rest. Notice the first six words."It's a bit like that only it's a slew of online turds rubbing against one another until the shittiest among them rises to the top.Cream of the crap.Picture an endless circle of turds, each one trying to be shittier than the next until "murder is the only door through which they enter life."
(DIR) Post #9gqOlTQjjUAdz0pEsi by GodlessNZ@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-16T21:45:56Z
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(41) Stop letting these abusive psychopaths gaslight you. Stop reading what they say, beyond the barest minimum you need in order to comment on it. That's how I preserve my sanity. I've been gaslit all my life by family and others around me irl. It's made me tough on crime and committed to shutting abusers out of my mind. The freedom I gain from this is outstanding.
(DIR) Post #9gqOlTggmAvmmUHykK by GodlessNZ@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-16T21:48:44Z
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(42) Time for thread #3 in response to NZ's 15/3 attacks, which have changed my country forever. Whenever I turn my gaze away from NZ and toward the USA these days, I feel a peace and hope that is beyond words. Thank you for every vote that placed this man in charge, and every prayer and kind thought you have sent.END
(DIR) Post #9gqOlU59JEUs0LjVs8 by cmclark63@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-16T22:02:08Z
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@GodlessNZ I grew up in New Zealand, and now live in Australia. I'm seeing similar trends here with knee-jerk pronouncements about the 'right wing' and social media. A proposed 'religious discrimination' act could effectively become a blasphemy law. Although I'm a Christian, I am not in favour of censorship to protect religious ideas.
(DIR) Post #9gqOlUDIov1EPdY1a4 by GodlessNZ@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-16T23:06:19Z
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@cmclark63 NZ already has a blasphemy law and I've helped campaign to get it revoked but neither side is interested. Religious discrimination is already illegal under our Human Rights Act, which forms part of our constitution. So there is no need for another law. Such laws are bad for people of faith, and religious freedom, as you said. IMO it's one of the most important freedoms, period.
(DIR) Post #9gqPoOGHVQOMm9tDtY by capnjoe@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-16T23:54:57Z
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@cressie @Baline @GodlessNZ @DeplorableAynNY It doesn't apply to them.These trolls think they're sharpening one another the way iron sharpens iron.A turd cannot be sharpened.
(DIR) Post #9gqVgYKAoAxRORM8Zc by JennyR@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-16T23:51:11Z
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@cmclark63 @GodlessNZ Blasphemy laws are the worst thing that can happen to a religion: it only gives the intolerant crazies inside each a license to be intolerant.And then it sets stage for bad future events.A religion, any religion, needs a certain amount of respectful, objective, constructive criticism in order to keep the ship right (this goes with anything really). Better protection against psychotic freaks would be better serve people imhao.
(DIR) Post #9gqVgYZlsBR0Aoeasy by GodlessNZ@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-17T00:46:03Z
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@JennyR @cmclark63 Yes. A great example of this is the Roman Catholic Church. If those in charge (Jesuits) had listened to and acted on the "respectful, objective, constructive criticism in order to keep the ship right" over many years/centuries, they wouldn't need to be held responsible for the monstrous level of harm they have created and enabled. cc @Debradelai
(DIR) Post #9gqVgYp0xVcyw5mle4 by cmclark63@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-17T00:51:54Z
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@GodlessNZ @JennyR @Debradelai Have you ever heard of Father Malachi Martin? A Jesuit traditionalist, he left the order and wrote a series of books about the corruption of the church (such as 'Windswept House'). His interviews in the 1990s were quite prophetic. I wonder how much influence Obama and friends had on unseating Benedict and installing the ineffectual and politically correct Francis.
(DIR) Post #9gqViAXmC9G0DaUPey by Debradelai@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-17T01:01:03Z
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@cmclark63 @GodlessNZ @JennyR Zero had Zero influence.
(DIR) Post #9gqVmALyqPB8mosUhk by cmclark63@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-17T01:01:47Z
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@Debradelai @GodlessNZ @JennyR Consistent with the rest of his presidency, I guess.
(DIR) Post #9gqWOCvdiamjmFhGeu by GodlessNZ@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-17T01:06:27Z
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@cmclark63 @JennyR Thanks for the tip, I will look up the works of Fr Malachi Martin. As @Debradelai said, Obama is more just a tool of the cabal than anything actually leading it. But I do stress that he should be held accountable for everything done by his admin incl HRC, Comey etc. His marketable "persona" was used to get hold of the power that the WH wields.
(DIR) Post #9gqWOD5Z7gj0H2LC88 by Debradelai@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-17T01:08:38Z
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@GodlessNZ @cmclark63 @JennyRYou'll find "The Jesuits" quite interesting.Of course others before hil, like Chiniquy, maybe better choices, but Martin is a good starting point.
(DIR) Post #9gqWZ2UEsi9qZs2sFM by cmclark63@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-17T01:10:36Z
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@Debradelai @GodlessNZ @JennyR Thank you! I will read that and look up Chiniquy.
(DIR) Post #9gqWe9dPjUqwC7mB3g by cmclark63@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-17T01:09:56Z
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@GodlessNZ @JennyR @Debradelai Martin was a very religious man, so I suspect you are unlikely to agree with his echatological/theorlogical pronouncements. But he did know Vatican insiders personally so he was well informed about the politics.
(DIR) Post #9gqWeA5m23XPc52pGK by Debradelai@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-17T01:11:31Z
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@cmclark63 @GodlessNZ @JennyR I agree with much more than you can imagine, and know as many insiders as did Martin.Don't jump to conclusions without information.
(DIR) Post #9gqWsno7AWviqFlXnc by cmclark63@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-17T01:14:11Z
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@Debradelai @GodlessNZ @JennyR Fair point - I was actually referring to @GodlessNZ, as his handle suggests that he is not particularly religious person, but as you note, I may be wrong about that too.
(DIR) Post #9gqX479dZpfU20E8Aa by Pissyfit@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-17T01:16:14Z
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@ThomasWic @GodlessNZ I can't watch it. Watching a child be abused or an animal tortured sends me into a dark place. Makes me so sad. I couldn't stomach watching someone massacre others. However that doesn't mean I can't imagine it or understand the horror of it 😞
(DIR) Post #9gqXUq15P4O8hJyCOG by Debradelai@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-17T01:21:03Z
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@cmclark63 @GodlessNZ @JennyR Indeed you are. It's a reference to NZ, schmuck.
(DIR) Post #9gqXZJ71AUio5vsLaq by GodlessNZ@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-17T01:21:52Z
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@Debradelai @cmclark63 @JennyR Someone hasn't bothered to read my profile bio and see that I'm not a "he." That tells me everything I needed to know. Lulz.
(DIR) Post #9gqXiK9UffqlvUKiYq by Debradelai@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-17T01:23:28Z
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@GodlessNZ @cmclark63 @JennyR I supposed if you picked "GodlessRussia" you'd be a drunken Commie Cossack...
(DIR) Post #9gqXxTfXZOQDmnY4NU by GodlessNZ@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-17T01:26:14Z
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@Debradelai @cmclark63 @JennyR What, like my current Prime Minister?
(DIR) Post #9gqY0lEIjhqX7ONCF6 by cmclark63@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-17T01:24:49Z
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@GodlessNZ @Debradelai Mea maxima culpa. 😑
(DIR) Post #9gqY2ofIvxuKLuz3Sq by Debradelai@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-17T01:27:12Z
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@cmclark63 @GodlessNZ Recite one Paternoster and go in peace.Ego te absolvo.
(DIR) Post #9gqY5hoiqqndyxlbUm by Debradelai@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-17T01:27:42Z
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@GodlessNZ @cmclark63 @JennyRPerish the thought!
(DIR) Post #9gqYbXSetE4D8AcrAG by Debradelai@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-17T01:33:27Z
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@cmclark63 @GodlessNZ @JennyR Chiniquy, a friend of Lincoln, wrote many books.This one is intersting in light of your interest for Martin.https://www.google.com/search?client=ms-android-att-us&source=android-browser&q=50+Years+in+the+Church+of+Rome&stick=H4sIAAAAAAAAAONgVuLSz9U3MLOILyypWsQqZ2qgEJmaWFSskJmnUJKRquCcUVqUnKGQn6YQlJ-bCgALDfM7LwAAAA&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjH8eaug4jhAhXM11kKHV_5BcoQgOQBCKoBMBU&biw=360&bih=616
(DIR) Post #9gqYsxC0TSSprH8o9Q by cmclark63@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-17T01:36:37Z
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@Debradelai @GodlessNZ @JennyR Was just searching for him - an interesting life. Expelled by the Catholics and became a Presbyterian. https://www.christianity.com/church/church-history/timeline/1801-1900/charles-chiniquy-vs-the-catholic-church-11630658.html
(DIR) Post #9gqZ3AE0sJBdAnwqf2 by cmclark63@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-17T01:38:28Z
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@Debradelai @GodlessNZ @JennyR Thanks for the recommendation - I'll look into it.
(DIR) Post #9gqb2x4pxVCIItgOPo by GodlessNZ@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-17T01:46:52Z
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@cmclark63 @Debradelai @JennyR He sounds like most of my ancestors - expelled by the Catholics and became a Presbyterian.
(DIR) Post #9gqb2xHxAjgmxZorrM by cmclark63@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-17T01:51:31Z
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@GodlessNZ @Debradelai @JennyR Strangely enough, according to a cousin of mine who is a keen amateur genealogist, I have an ancestor - Archibald Bower - who was a a priest in the 18th century. He reputedly got a nun pregnant and had to flee Italy. He was also later busted for plagiarism. Either a rogue or terribly misunderstood.
(DIR) Post #9gqb2xXYEkALjx7KAi by Debradelai@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-17T02:00:50Z
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@cmclark63 @GodlessNZ @JennyR Probably both.And desperate.A nun? He mounted a nun?Who could do something like that!Have you seen them?
(DIR) Post #9gqbBL5WZOip5c0HgG by GodlessNZ@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-17T02:02:20Z
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@Debradelai @cmclark63 @JennyR 😂 😂 🤣
(DIR) Post #9gqbDsMdoyhUsADfeq by cmclark63@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-17T02:02:48Z
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@Debradelai @GodlessNZ @JennyR Yes, but needs must - monks aren't exactly babe magnets either!
(DIR) Post #9gqgQdlLv5eZ7egStk by janis@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-17T02:20:20Z
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@GodlessNZ This is an outstanding comment, HW, just outstanding! You make it so clear and direct and your understanding of what Trump is doing and why comes from a very deep place inside you. It affects the way you see everything now, I think. Same here. We live in a new world and so very much want others to see it and live there, too.And are saddened when they keep choosing such ignorance.We will prevail. I play the video t "We Will Prevail" from Trump's Saudi Arabia trip for the lift.
(DIR) Post #9gqgQdzX4MznpdJn04 by GodlessNZ@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-17T02:25:05Z
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@janis Thanks so much, and I agree with everything you said! Yes, my appreciation of Trump's foreign policy approach and of the USA itself does come from a very deep place inside of me. I've been transformed personally in every area of my life because of Trump running for office. I never, ever had hope for the world before he became President. Thanks for the song tip, too. Lee Greenwood's God Bless the USA makes me cry with pride and hope every single time.
(DIR) Post #9gqgQeAsOC4OOocqgK by janis@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-17T02:31:01Z
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@GodlessNZ So there you are in New Zealand, clear the other side of the world with a different government, and I am here in rural eastern Tn-- hill country-- and we are yet sharing the same reality, looking through the same eyes. Because of Trump. And living with the same hope for the world at long last. Life is amazing and this place is a huge gift for all of us. Thank you, Saul, thank you from the bottom of my heart. You gave us a home.
(DIR) Post #9gqxRJzob0odKMMKqe by Elaines2cents@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-17T06:11:45Z
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@Debradelai @cmclark63 @GodlessNZ @JennyR You are a hoot Saul 😂
(DIR) Post #9grvsLG00gGkJ5e5yq by JennyR@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-17T15:58:27Z
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@GodlessNZ @cmclark63 @Debradelai There is a significant number of Jesuits (and from other orders as well) who long ago "went hippie".But there are also many who stayed traditionalist and some of them criticized the others.Catholic here -- not all, yes even Jesuits, were definitely not a fans of the direction his order and the RCC was going.I would conjecture that the three Abrahamic religions have certainly had their issues with many who have forgotten just what they are about.
(DIR) Post #9grvsLVb4gkJ5SwYIC by JennyR@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-17T16:05:32Z
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@GodlessNZ @cmclark63 @Debradelai I will also say, that, as a member of one of them: this is entirely our fault and it happened long ago. We are seeing the fruits of it now.
(DIR) Post #9grvsLjmDy5XnRZsOW by Debradelai@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-17T17:28:56Z
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@JennyR @GodlessNZ @cmclark63It started in the IVth Century, so I don't think it's your fault.For interesting reading in more contemporary times, read the anathema's against the US from 1776 to 1931.
(DIR) Post #9grwIsRZFHx8lKi3tY by JennyR@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-17T17:33:44Z
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@Debradelai @GodlessNZ @cmclark63 Well, not my fault personally, but as a member it does befall on me to, in whatever small way I can, try and correct.There are many aspects, and I am personally a nobody. So, it is just a small thing, but one has to try.I love my family, my country, and my faith...and I kinda like my life too. The first three are deserving of at least something from me, if anything because I like the latter.
(DIR) Post #9grwqrOZeKV7MCVvFo by JennyR@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-17T17:39:53Z
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@Debradelai @GodlessNZ @cmclark63 I've read some of them ;)
(DIR) Post #9grxOo34bD3Yp5dyUK by Debradelai@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-17T17:46:01Z
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@JennyR @GodlessNZ @cmclark63I do not believe that "as a member" you bear any responsibility.As an American, I hope you make informed decisions.
(DIR) Post #9grxfJkiUaodmgvm2i by JennyR@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-17T17:49:00Z
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@Debradelai @GodlessNZ @cmclark63 I try to do my best. It probably doesn't amount to much -- but the benefit is that I am not a person of importance, so any misstep is likely not to have much influence.
(DIR) Post #9gs4hhFgnACMvQV1zk by GodlessNZ@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-17T19:07:50Z
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@Debradelai @JennyR @cmclark63 Thanks for the reading tip Saul... can you tell us where we would find the anathema's against the US from 1776 to 1931?
(DIR) Post #9gsTFcnGGyWHqKui8W by GodlessNZ@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-17T19:02:50Z
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@JennyR @cmclark63 @Debradelai I never hold the members of a religion (or non faith group) responsible for the direction the leaders may take. Aung San Suu Kyi in Burma has allowed extremist Buddhists to drive the genocide of the Rohingya Muslims. A great example of what I'm talking about. She is just as evil as the people lighting the villages on fire.
(DIR) Post #9gsTFd5hARGUlVXQrw by JennyR@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-17T20:45:53Z
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@GodlessNZ @cmclark63 @Debradelai And people finally realize that not all Buddihists are sweetness and light, nor if Buddihism some happy hippie la-la land.Unfortunately, some insist on this vision.
(DIR) Post #9gsTFdKwFlSTWmfbd2 by Debradelai@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-17T23:42:54Z
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@JennyR @GodlessNZ @cmclark63Perhaps they should take a fresh look at that notorious Fascist that calls himself Dalai Lama...
(DIR) Post #9gswg19ZDvX7arHgmm by MAJA_4_THETRUTH@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-16T07:06:00Z
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@GodlessNZ HW, I’m praying for all of New Zealand🙏🏼 🇳🇿 When I first heard about this sad tragedy, I immediately thought of you. I was on twitter so I checked there 1st. I’m grateful for your threads which help me understand the depth of impact this has on you & your fellow Kiwi’s. I appreciate you for your willingness to share with us. You are one of my favorites & I’m Blessed I found you on twitter a year or so ago. Be safe & know we all care about you!💜
(DIR) Post #9gswg1KYZ4K88wQSum by GodlessNZ@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-16T09:09:12Z
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@MAJA_4_THETRUTH Thank you so much sweetheart, the feeling is very mutual! I raced online to let folk know I was OK as I'm thankfully not in Christchurch these days. Even before 15/3 I found visiting the city painful bc of the memories. It is a beautiful place though and if you're ever visiting NZ it's a must-see. It's going to be the most modern city in the Western world when fully rebuilt after the quakes. Your prayers are helping. xxx
(DIR) Post #9gswg1WFrZgIjDto9I by MAJA_4_THETRUTH@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-17T21:36:26Z
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@GodlessNZ Yes! New Zealand is in my “bucket list!” Is true y’all have a great view of the “Southern Cross” at certain times of the year?
(DIR) Post #9gswg1j167tDMns02a by GodlessNZ@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-17T21:39:08Z
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@MAJA_4_THETRUTH Yes, we do! On most nights when I take my dog outside to do his business, I can get a great view of the Southern Cross. We also have dark sky reserves here, which help with viewing the Aurora Australis, which I have done many times. The Southern Cross is on our flag.
(DIR) Post #9gswg1vQLzoXzHfuNc by MAJA_4_THETRUTH@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-18T03:40:46Z
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@GodlessNZ Great! It’s on my “bucket list” also. I did not know it is in your flag. That’s awesome! New Zealand 🇳🇿
(DIR) Post #9gswg2B1Q0I6leyMgy by GodlessNZ@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-18T03:42:41Z
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@MAJA_4_THETRUTH Yes. You can tell the NZ and AU flags apart by the stars. NZ has 4 stars, red with white border. AU has 5 stars in white. IIRC they had 5 states at the time. NZ doesn't have states, just one "unitary" central govt. I want NZ to be a state of AU but there aren't enough who think like me.
(DIR) Post #9gswg2OUbv4BRRH7gm by MAJA_4_THETRUTH@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-18T05:00:25Z
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@GodlessNZ HW, will you be eventually bringing your President Trump picture threads to SQV? I really enjoyed those threads too!
(DIR) Post #9gtbL3jCFxOAIpsD0C by JennyR@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-18T12:48:14Z
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@Debradelai @GodlessNZ @cmclark63 Ha! Yes...that always flew through my mind when I was on FB and got the "be at peace" DL quotes...
(DIR) Post #9gtgXs9n5Wd7x2F35s by GodlessNZ@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-17T18:58:36Z
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@JennyR @cmclark63 Oh I agree, there are inevitably plenty of Jesuits who are not communist-fascist politicians/activists. I'm only referring to the actions of the leadership, which include direct and indirect support for violent revolutions and other atrocities for many centuries now. I defer to @Debradelai's far greater knowledge about this topic. My heart goes out to any and every Catholic who isn't an enabler of atrocity. They are victims too.
(DIR) Post #9gtgXsWTjAmJ5OrASO by JennyR@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-17T20:49:54Z
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@GodlessNZ @cmclark63 @Debradelai Far too many of them are my dear, far too many.
(DIR) Post #9gtgXsnqgaflxGz2X2 by GodlessNZ@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-17T20:56:17Z
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@JennyR @cmclark63 @Debradelai I was raised in a protestant church where the idea of a hierarchical human representative of Christ was idolatry, so it's hard for me to understand why Catholics don't move to a different organization. I don't think the Vatican can be reformed.
(DIR) Post #9gtgXt0bv8sgaqxEQK by JennyR@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-17T21:08:46Z
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@GodlessNZ @cmclark63 @Debradelai I have my own reasons for staying with my church, as you do yours (heh, you could say we see things in the opposite light about the Protestants!). But in the end, do we both (you and I and perhaps our respective faiths) believe that life is valuable and worth protecting? If so, then we have a common cause, for we have both seen that there are those that hate life and would love to have us keep niggling at each other while they go about their destruction.
(DIR) Post #9gtgXtCJDeErB8QZeq by GodlessNZ@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-17T21:17:10Z
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@JennyR @cmclark63 @Debradelai Of course I agree with all that and I know people are free to stay with their church if they want to. I'm simply pondering why people want to. Perhaps we better let it drop. I am no longer associated with any faith group, btw.
(DIR) Post #9gtgXtLse3tXeouDZo by GodlessNZ@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-17T21:32:59Z
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@JennyR @cmclark63 @Debradelai On second thoughts, I think I know why this convo went away from where I thought it was going. I wasn't criticizing Catholicism or defending Protestantism, not at all. Was j/s from my cultural b/g the two differ bc it's easier for us to move around between denominations than it is for Catholics... I was affirming how hard it would be to leave the Church, and empathizing with that. Also, IMO protestantism is newer and better able to adapt to modern politics (cont'd)
(DIR) Post #9gtgXtXDxsy8E0DHG4 by GodlessNZ@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-17T21:36:26Z
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@JennyR @cmclark63 @Debradelai Faith/spirituality being separate from government is a modern idea. So, IMO, when a leader of a faith group (eg a Pope) gets political it is a form of spiritual abuse, one of the worst kinds of abuse. If the head of the Presbyterian church was a campaigning communist, we'd just roll our eyes and join or start a new local church with our own rules and name. We're lucky in that respect.
(DIR) Post #9gtgXtf1UtCucBrVPk by cmclark63@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-17T22:25:36Z
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@GodlessNZ @JennyR @Debradelai I admire many aspects of the Catholic Church - its contributions to science, art, literature, architecture, the creation of an extensive bureaucracy and system of keeping records, libraries and scholarship. I don't believe that protestant churches are any better in terms of human failings, but as Hurricane Watcher points out, nobody thinks our leaders are infallible.
(DIR) Post #9gtgXtnsxwIR3g0aEC by GodlessNZ@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-17T22:56:16Z
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@cmclark63 @JennyR @Debradelai I am careful not to imply that a Catholic thinks his or her leaders are infallible. The only distinction I make between the C and P churches is that of structure/law. I empathize greatly with Catholics bc their church "hardwiring" doesn't allow for people to just vote with their feet as easily as a protestant can. They are in a bind.
(DIR) Post #9gtgXu1M9r4VjSJLE0 by JennyR@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-18T12:51:47Z
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@GodlessNZ @cmclark63 @Debradelai It's ok. Sometimes I empathize greatly with protestants that you can vote so easily with your feet: I come from an area where we have the protestant cowbody church, the rock band church, the holy roller church, and even a long time ago a snake handler church, and on the more normal end of things 3 different Christian churches (who hated each other)....I think sometimes it's too easy to vote with your feet and you end up with that sort of thing.
(DIR) Post #9gtgXuHfBE7EY1wMds by Debradelai@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-18T13:46:34Z
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@JennyR @GodlessNZ @cmclark63 Nice fallacy, Jenny.I wish I could be like X who can (insert a falsehood here) but I fear... (insert erroneous conclusion.)Never mind your presuming to know where I stand.If Catholics didn't vote with their feet, there would be no Protestants.And despite the unimaginable violence the Church brought upon those who refused its "teaching," exterminating entire peoples in the process, they kept leaving.Those who left gave us freedom and prosperity.
(DIR) Post #9gtiGYeeXlEwS3Y5S4 by rigger@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-18T14:05:52Z
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@Debradelai @JennyR @GodlessNZ @cmclark63 If he saw something, he should say somethinghttps://www.thehindu.com/news/international/i-knew-about-sexual-abuse-by-buddhist-teachers-dalai-lama/article24962042.ece
(DIR) Post #9gtrJ19cSAfD0XHSwy by Debradelai@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-18T15:47:09Z
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@rigger @JennyR @GodlessNZ @cmclark63 If he ever says what he saw, we'd hang him from the closest tree.
(DIR) Post #9gu4cNXijfRvLq7GyG by JennyR@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-18T18:16:18Z
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@Debradelai @GodlessNZ @cmclark63 My apologies if I offended -- I was merely pointing out that while some protestants find our hierarchy unfathomable, we too sometimes find the lack of it hard to comprehend. It's ok -- just different pov.And the only presumption I have ever made concerning you is that I presumed you are not a fan of my church. Ok, I don't take it personally and can converse with them and perhaps agree on much.
(DIR) Post #9p2EyBzbXiNGhVAsYi by GodlessNZ@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-16T02:59:21Z
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@DeplorableAynNY I was in full-on rage mode when I heard the accusation. Had to calm myself down so I could be functional. OBVIOUSLY I would never break the law or carry out violence against anyone bc of my rage. Thankfully I still have enough brain function to ensure that restraint. Undeserved as it may be.
(DIR) Post #9p2EyDfpIDk3ujw70a by Torchbearer@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-16T03:22:10Z
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@GodlessNZ @DeplorableAynNY I found something you might enjoy.......
(DIR) Post #9p2EyEkpH7KrGXHcRM by Torchbearer@social.quodverum.com
2019-03-16T03:26:24Z
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@GodlessNZ @DeplorableAynNY and I didn't post it.......here goes.....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNwVraX_JKg