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(DIR) Post #9p1bhUDQdmOa5CgRiS by Deepsealioness@mastodon.social
2019-11-16T16:18:10Z
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I don’t understand the purpose of men, why should women suffer so much to give birth to mostly trash who then have audacity to preach to us If you reply with not all men in replies, am going to 🥊 , stay away from me
(DIR) Post #9p1bhUiGn747cr74mu by anupverma@mstdn.social
2019-11-16T16:26:47Z
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@Deepsealioness Am I the only unlucky man to have met so many women trashier than even me? 🤣
(DIR) Post #9p1bj1LsvSbh8wN2aO by warisahmad@mstdn.social
2019-11-16T16:27:04Z
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@Deepsealioness Sometimes you stand for the weak and make so much senseSometimes you are way too toxic
(DIR) Post #9p1e1q19UUVbOtm19U by wolfie@pleroma.wolfie.pw
2019-11-16T16:52:53.722338Z
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@anupverma @Deepsealioness Am I the only lucky man to have not met any women I’d say were trashy? :akkothink:
(DIR) Post #9p1eVK72g3Nz8WaX7g by Deepsealioness@mastodon.social
2019-11-16T16:50:34Z
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@anupverma no you are like every other man who thinks you are superior
(DIR) Post #9p1eVKpM1IpbLxJvBw by anupverma@mstdn.social
2019-11-16T16:58:10Z
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@Deepsealioness No, I am neither superior, nor consider myself to be one. 🙂
(DIR) Post #9p1eYCeWrxw8rvcn20 by anupverma@mstdn.social
2019-11-16T16:58:43Z
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@wolfie @Deepsealioness I hope not!
(DIR) Post #9p1eeN3v51DytIRSds by Deepsealioness@mastodon.social
2019-11-16T16:58:48Z
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@anupverma that’s what you say but not think
(DIR) Post #9p1eeNO7rtO5txtb8a by anupverma@mstdn.social
2019-11-16T16:59:49Z
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@Deepsealioness 🤔
(DIR) Post #9p1gcC598J4AAK6afo by Deepsealioness@mastodon.social
2019-11-16T16:58:01Z
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No matter bird app or here, men who don’t have spine to talk against sexism will come all out and preach to women about how not all men are bad. Men please keep your comments to yourself. Thanks 🙏🏼
(DIR) Post #9p1gcEXZzYzxn5QKGm by ninad@mastodon.social
2019-11-16T17:15:46Z
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@Deepsealioness all men are sexist at some level, in some role. Maybe as father, brother, son, lover or friend. We can't imagine the level patriarchy has penetrated our minds. It appears in so many thoughts which seem harmless at first.Perhaps the next generation born in the internet explosion age will change that. btw don't punch me :welp:
(DIR) Post #9p1gz2Cu0udICQcmLw by freemo@qoto.org
2019-11-16T17:25:55Z
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@ninad I tend to agree on this point with one added detail. All women are sexist at some level too. The ubiquity of sexism extends to all races and is not exclusive to men in any way.@Deepsealioness
(DIR) Post #9p1h5x9tBO7uZJVviS by Deepsealioness@mastodon.social
2019-11-16T17:27:10Z
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@freemo Women being sexist don’t hold power dynamics in gender oppression, men do @ninad
(DIR) Post #9p1hB1vEtmZkn65B7A by freemo@qoto.org
2019-11-16T17:28:04Z
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@Deepsealioness Sometimes they do, sometimes they dont. Its very situational who is in power. But regardless sexism is sexism power or not.@ninad
(DIR) Post #9p1hCQ4ma3JDzbD0vg by moonshine@freespeechextremist.com
2019-11-16T17:28:25.928337Z
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@ninad @Deepsealioness the younger generation now is regressing feminist progress so 🤦🏻♀️👀
(DIR) Post #9p1hMS8rkq9nINu3eK by Deepsealioness@mastodon.social
2019-11-16T17:30:07Z
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@freemo @ninad A man gains from sexism, a woman loses , so yes power matters
(DIR) Post #9p1hV6ZJKjnAzcOkHg by capthaddock@mastodon.social
2019-11-16T17:31:42Z
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@freemo @ninad @Deepsealioness agree. Definition of sexism is also not the same as it was a generation ago.
(DIR) Post #9p1hX48xJxCW3D0Q8u by freemo@qoto.org
2019-11-16T17:32:04Z
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@Deepsealioness I disagree, in the cases where the woan holds the power then it is the man who looses from the sexism. In cases where the man has power then the woman looses. Who is on the loosing end of the sexism is, of course, situational.Of course power matters, I never claimed it didnt. Only that sexism is sexism evenwithout the power, it just so happens in those cases the sexism will do less damage.@ninad
(DIR) Post #9p1hdpEn8fpbqdxUuW by Deepsealioness@mastodon.social
2019-11-16T17:33:17Z
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@freemo @ninad agree to disagree
(DIR) Post #9p1hgFfDrE6KO3Tivw by freemo@qoto.org
2019-11-16T17:33:43Z
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@Deepsealioness As you wish :)@ninad
(DIR) Post #9p1ilyLvEWdQO9k6Jk by ninad@mastodon.social
2019-11-16T17:45:58Z
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@freemo I see it this way - most of those in power have malices in them including women. So yes some woman in power can indeed be sexist. But not all women! Simply because all of them still haven't even got the opportunity to be something or even think for themselves, let alone be sexist and exercise power by discriminating.@Deepsealioness
(DIR) Post #9p1iubbhAc8iS0EkgC by ninad@mastodon.social
2019-11-16T17:47:32Z
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@freemo No sir, most of the times, men do. That's the point. We have to realize that women being in power and being sexist is the exception not the norm. At least in developing countries it is the case.@Deepsealioness
(DIR) Post #9p1izjd6lkDgmTLN20 by quaylessed@pleroma.quaylessed.icu
2019-11-16T17:48:31.568988Z
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@Deepsealioness @ninad @freemo you're using the same retarded argument black power people use to justify their xenophobic attitudes towards white people. Yes, systemic racism exists, but that doesn't excuse a black person from their own racist behavior towards every single last white person. They justify their reverse racism by saying it's impossible for them to be racist, because of the power imbalance, but anyone who can critically think knows this is just retarded cognitive dissonance to allow them to engage in the same pathetic behavior they claim to oppose.
(DIR) Post #9p1j2UFcP62Fx8fWeu by freemo@qoto.org
2019-11-16T17:48:56Z
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@ninad Wellthere are two issues there.. sexism, and power. A woman who is sexist with no power is still sexist, they just wont do much harm. So if we are talking about what groups are or arent sexist then power isnt related to that. Now if we want to talk about which groups are **oppressive** then that would of course require an element of power. So its a bit of a semantic aspect that needs to be clarified before we define who is what.In terms of sexism I'd say everyone is probably sexist to some degree, some more than others, but it is pretty universal. Int erms of power I'd say it depends largely ont he country but men willmore often have some degree of power more than women. So men are more likely to be oppressive than women overall, but no more likely to be sexist.@Deepsealioness
(DIR) Post #9p1jJWcUqhnCDtUhvc by freemo@qoto.org
2019-11-16T17:52:00Z
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@ninad Well I never disputed that fact. I do agree that overall men are more likely to be oppressive (sexist + power) than women are. Absolutely, particularly in third world countries.My point is this. Sexism and prejudice is, sadly, human nature. Women are just as much capable of it as men, and exhibit that prejudice just as often. We should recognize that men are more oppressive than women NOT because they are any more sexist (which is why the distinction is important) but only because they have more power.I think its important we understand and maintain the distinction between sexual oppression and sexism.@Deepsealioness
(DIR) Post #9p1jWqo56dr0b1GcfA by ninad@mastodon.social
2019-11-16T17:54:25Z
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@freemo I agree on power.As far as sexism is concerned, in men, sexism is mostly (not always) thinking that they are 'better' than or superior to women.I can't say the same about women. So that's why sexism in men is politically incorrect imho.@Deepsealioness what do you think?
(DIR) Post #9p1jyrdraum9IKqUOO by freemo@qoto.org
2019-11-16T17:59:29Z
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@ninad I thinkt he way sexism manifests is very cultural. In the USA most sexism I see from women revolves around them thinking men are inherently "scum" and that women are better. Even some forms of sexism from men takes that form, praising women as superior.That said there is some of the sexism you describe as well in good numbers. Plenty of men who might think they are superior to women or that womena rent suited for a certain task. In general the sexism in america doesnt appear very different from either sex except for a few differences.In europe (I now moved to and live in the netherlands) I'd say its a bit different. I rarely see any sexism of any kind here. I cant recall ever having seen an incidence of sexism here, so I dunno. Maybe an expectation for women to dress a certain way and for men to dress a certain way, but thats about it.One form of sexism i saw in europe once was from tourists so I'm not going to go into that as it doesnt exemplify the dutch.@Deepsealioness
(DIR) Post #9p1k0Q1FGaWKCeWWAK by ManojGramath@mastodon.social
2019-11-16T17:59:46Z
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@freemo @ninad @Deepsealioness There are times when some details are inappropriate.
(DIR) Post #9p1kIsPESnS7SKXpNg by freemo@qoto.org
2019-11-16T18:03:05Z
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@ManojGramath I agree, there are times when that is true. At least for me in this case the details provided are not just appropriate but critical to the topic.With that said I think me and deep mostly agreed to disagree on this one, so we ended it on pretty respectable terms I'd say and while we may disagree on details we both showed respect for the other and I wouldnt say any party acted inappropriately.She is a stand up person as far as im concerned.@ninad @Deepsealioness
(DIR) Post #9p1kmDozv5seGzaaa8 by ninad@mastodon.social
2019-11-16T18:08:25Z
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@freemo True. It is different in different cultures. But mostly has been against women because men have been in powerful position. Now as we move towards a more equal society, the women are expressing more of themselves and as you said that expression could also have some sexism in it.@Deepsealioness
(DIR) Post #9p1ktFKEj8L0xqYBAO by freemo@qoto.org
2019-11-16T18:09:41Z
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@ninad Sounds pretty accurate, I'd agree.@Deepsealioness
(DIR) Post #9p1mHF17cnEGuccCdk by laedmotte@shitposter.club
2019-11-16T18:23:58.314811Z
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@freemo @ninad @Deepsealioness if sexism is bad then why is god a sexist by virtue of making men and women different?
(DIR) Post #9p1mHFSlxzLaINYHjs by freemo@qoto.org
2019-11-16T18:25:12Z
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@laedmotte Why would making men and women being different be an inherently sexist act? I cant think anything about that which would be inherently sexist.@Deepsealioness @ninad
(DIR) Post #9p1mZcrdhV0o5Kwj8C by freemo@qoto.org
2019-11-16T18:28:33Z
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@laedmotte Also if we are going to use that logic god also created murderers or evil the devil himself. Should we by the same logic assume murder is ok too?@Deepsealioness @ninad
(DIR) Post #9p1nD9xOb0xS0xUQt6 by laedmotte@shitposter.club
2019-11-16T18:31:16.142677Z
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@freemo @Deepsealioness @ninad well sexism is the act of believing that there are meaningful differences between sexes (a position that also implies eg that maybe men and women should have different jobs or even schools, like in racially segregated america). since god didn't make humans reproduce asexually, and thus have only one sex, isn't he the biggest sexist of all?
(DIR) Post #9p1nDAXuPGAHqCZang by freemo@qoto.org
2019-11-16T18:35:41Z
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@laedmotte Except that is not the definition of sexism. If I say "women often have larger breasts than women" this is not a sexist statement. I would suggest you you double check what the definition of that word is.@Deepsealioness @ninad
(DIR) Post #9p1ouBpPc9t8Dxq0XI by laedmotte@shitposter.club
2019-11-16T18:46:22.318668Z
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@freemo @Deepsealioness @ninad that's not a meaningful difference, though. the only justification for treating two groups of people differently is that there are meaningful differences (as opposed to simply meaningless differences) between them. god made there be meaningful differences between men and women, ergo he is the biggest sexist
(DIR) Post #9p1ouCAgL4tzHvmzgm by freemo@qoto.org
2019-11-16T18:54:39Z
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@laedmotte You cant just make up your own definition of sexism. That is simply not the definition. Sexism implies superiority, not difference.@Deepsealioness @ninad
(DIR) Post #9p1oxHC27mTJjQtGoS by anupverma@mstdn.social
2019-11-16T18:55:18Z
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@ninad @Deepsealioness reporting these kind of toots for violation of rules!
(DIR) Post #9p1pH7blTFtnnQOBge by anupverma@mstdn.social
2019-11-16T18:58:53Z
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@Deepsealioness reporting these kind of toots for violating the rules!
(DIR) Post #9p1pNQ63dxrUsJYt3A by Deepsealioness@mastodon.social
2019-11-16T18:58:04Z
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You both are missing male privilege as a factor in this @ninad @freemo
(DIR) Post #9p1pNRB3crSIE6uOTw by freemo@qoto.org
2019-11-16T18:59:56Z
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@Deepsealioness Not sure i follow. In what way would our arguments have changed through the recognition of male privilege?@ninad
(DIR) Post #9p1pzKgqC5c76uqRe4 by ninad@mastodon.social
2019-11-16T19:06:49Z
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@freemo I think by privilege she means what we have already discussed - that men have traditionally been in power and oppressed women. That privilege.@Deepsealioness right?
(DIR) Post #9p1q6qe7mQKWFR9r6m by freemo@qoto.org
2019-11-16T19:08:10Z
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@ninad Yea but we both already agreed to that point. So why does she think we are "missing" the point then if we covered it anfd agreed to it? I presume its more than just that? Or maybe she missed the earlier part of the convo?@Deepsealioness
(DIR) Post #9p1qeV5CSTS7DTrvv6 by ninad@mastodon.social
2019-11-16T19:14:15Z
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@freemo Yes. She might have not read the full convo. I have replied with a link to one of my toots. Although can't risk to irk her much :breathe: I still fear the punch will land on me :blobpeek: @Deepsealioness
(DIR) Post #9p1qnAIZ6UDfMRFgo4 by freemo@qoto.org
2019-11-16T19:15:49Z
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@ninad She is a very sweet person. As long as you talk to her respectfully I usually find she will also treat you with respect, even if you differ in opinion :)@Deepsealioness
(DIR) Post #9p1rDJ458Inu4vwVma by Deepsealioness@mastodon.social
2019-11-16T19:20:33Z
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@freemo @ninad male privilege is what all men have which women don’t. So it is a privileged person commenting on a not privileged person Vs two non privileged persons commenting on each other
(DIR) Post #9p1rSab8EAvonfgmH2 by kingannoy@octodon.social
2019-11-16T19:23:15Z
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@freemoI think what you are missing is that sexism is mostly spread through culture and media. This results in everybody being, to a certain extent, sexist.So far we agree I think?Where I disagree with you is when you say that women are sexist towards men. I think that almost never happens.Women and men are both sexist towards women because that is what is fed to them in media and culture.@ManojGramath @ninad @Deepsealioness
(DIR) Post #9p1rVHOU5H2k6o3XFI by ninad@mastodon.social
2019-11-16T19:23:46Z
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@freemo Of course she is. I have interacted and argued with her before. She is one of the reasons many flocked here from BirdSite. I am just making the discussion a bit on lighter notes...@Deepsealioness
(DIR) Post #9p1rouc2Ui0RFGl2ps by freemo@qoto.org
2019-11-16T19:27:17Z
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@Deepsealioness I'm not sure its that cut and dry. Consider the following:A white woman in a majority white country, lets say the USA, vs a black gay male in the USA.Obviously we cant say that the woman is non-privileged and the man is privileged. Because its just not that simpleTake me for example, I'm male, so in that regard I do have the majority advantage (would be privileged), but I am also overweight, which makes me a target of prejudice in that regard and an non-privileged. I am also native american which makes me significantly non-privileged and oppressed int he USA. Similarly I have a disability (spinal injury) which further makes me non-privileged. I moved to the netherlands but most of that still applies here.So am I more privileged than a skinny, pure european, with no disabilities who happens to be a woman.. Well im not sure that logic really works at all.I think this applies to most everyone. While everyone has certain properties that denote privilege and others that do not. People are not overall defacto privileged or not by sex alone.That's one reason i dont generally like using the term "privileged" for any individual. I think its fine to say "men are more privileged than women" that certainly has truth to it. But to assume all men are therefore privileged is where the logic immediately fails.@ninad
(DIR) Post #9p1rz0CqYHoRUPmlTk by freemo@qoto.org
2019-11-16T19:29:09Z
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@kingannoy Out of curiosity what culture are you from? I think its possible that in some cultures there is rarely sexism towards men for sure. I know myself as coming from the USA I saw an overwhelming amount of sexism towards men, as well as women. To say that it almost never happens towards men I could say is absolutely not true in america as I would witness it almost constantly towards both sexes there. As I said earlier now that I moved to europe it appears almost non existant most of the time though.@ManojGramath @ninad @Deepsealioness
(DIR) Post #9p1s1sy9unQFuhI3w8 by Deepsealioness@mastodon.social
2019-11-16T19:29:42Z
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@freemo @ninad you have explain very well but the part is when we are discussing gender issues , all the other privileges or lack of it doesn’t come in. It is male vs female so it automatically makes the man privileged
(DIR) Post #9p1s2vm0yVKWtr6mX2 by KnottedBow@mastodon.social
2019-11-16T19:29:52Z
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@freemo @ninad @Deepsealioness That she is. Most definitely, without doubt.
(DIR) Post #9p1sCLasLRQFaQO8FU by KnottedBow@mastodon.social
2019-11-16T19:31:35Z
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@freemo @ninad @Deepsealioness That she is. Most definitely, without doubt. Sweet and respectful, when given the same.
(DIR) Post #9p1sEHBVi0R0UVRZNA by freemo@qoto.org
2019-11-16T19:31:55Z
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@Deepsealioness Well in a sense that is what I was trying to say. If we talk in general terms, not about specific people I think its totally valid to say "males are more privilaged than women"But my point is the second we talk about individuals and make statements that "all males are privilaged people and all females are non-privilaged people" then it becomes false.Its a fine generalization, but it becomes dangerous the second we start assuming the generalization applies to specific people, just as generalizations tend to do.@ninad
(DIR) Post #9p1sP6kopUNHKK7k48 by ninad@mastodon.social
2019-11-16T19:05:35Z
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@Deepsealioness https://mastodon.social/@ninad/103148837786867419@freemo
(DIR) Post #9p1sP72BmuGkCCFc8m by Deepsealioness@mastodon.social
2019-11-16T19:23:52Z
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@ninad @freemo using one of my old tweets which is not exact fit but still
(DIR) Post #9p1sP7RMHKOzSG1iN6 by ninad@mastodon.social
2019-11-16T19:30:36Z
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@Deepsealioness Umm... I would rather put it as...blacks/women being racist or sexist would be an exception historically, and they being prejudiced against by whites/men the norm.One additional point is this: If in 21st century, in a place where the majority is black, if a white is discriminated against, I would oppose it.@freemo
(DIR) Post #9p1sP7tMbCnsr7851U by freemo@qoto.org
2019-11-16T19:33:52Z
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@ninad Sure, I certainly agree that historically speaking blacks got the short end of the stick and women tended to have less power than men, no doubt about that.I myself opose all discrimination regardless of color, creed, or environment. I find that if i take that stance, and one group happens to be more oppressed than the other, than naturally I will come to their defence more often, since it happens more often, so no need to make the distinction in the first place.@Deepsealioness
(DIR) Post #9p1sixGvnEuDi6bksy by Deepsealioness@mastodon.social
2019-11-16T19:37:28Z
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@freemo @ninad disagree there. All men are privileged because we live in a patriarchal worldAlso here is a pretty long dialogue between me and guy discussing Male privilege https://twitter.com/deepsealioness/status/1148476146989748224?s=21
(DIR) Post #9p1tMQiAGxeeJBAYYy by freemo@qoto.org
2019-11-16T19:44:35Z
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@Deepsealioness Again not sure a black gay man is a privileged person in a patriarchal world, but you could say "him being a man adds to his privilege while his other qualities detracts from his privilege", that I could agree with. But to just say he, as a person, overall, is privileged just for being male, im not sure that is accurate or even a good way to view it.@ninad
(DIR) Post #9p1tY0v5zScZnCk1Oy by moonshine@freespeechextremist.com
2019-11-16T19:46:47.695319Z
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@freemo @Deepsealioness @ninad you're privileged on the axis of sex based oppression. different kinds of privilege and oppression don't score points and give you an overall privilege score, because that would be ridiculous. that's why we discuss it axis by axis
(DIR) Post #9p1tZG516xJF6GyX3Y by Deepsealioness@mastodon.social
2019-11-16T19:46:55Z
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@freemo @ninad a black gay man still has privileges which women don’t get. Male privilege is something you get just be being born Male
(DIR) Post #9p1tgq3VkjN2hhsxxg by freemo@qoto.org
2019-11-16T19:48:22Z
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@moonshine I agree, that is also **exactly** what I'm trying to say, so thank you.. A **person** is not privileged overall (or if he is it isnt the result of any one quality). Individual features can be said, in a generalized way, to carry with it privilege or not. But one can not say that all people who hold said property are therefore privileged (because as you said there is not overall privilege score).@Deepsealioness @ninad
(DIR) Post #9p1twPNOiHfEapbyQy by freemo@qoto.org
2019-11-16T19:51:06Z
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@DeepsealionessAgreed, a black gay man would have privilages in the USA a white straight woman would not have, many of those privilages extending from his sex. But to carry it to its full completion, the woman in this scenario also has privileges the man doesnt have, those stemming from her whiteness and straightness in this case, so she is also privileged.Which is the point im getting at. We can talking about characteristics that carry with it privilege, but we cant make generalizations about everyone who has those characteristics being a privileged individual overall.We cant say "All men are privilaged people" but we can say "being a man carried with it privileges" @ninad
(DIR) Post #9p1uAtfsrW1kcDAPvE by ninad@mastodon.social
2019-11-16T19:49:39Z
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@Deepsealioness So when we say privileged or oppressed, we must say so in relative terms. We can compare genders with genders, casts with casts, races with races. That way it's clear that women, blacks and dalits are the oppressed.Comparing a white woman with a Black man as @freemo did is complex. This comparison isn't binary. We can't say - either privileged or not. This comparison will have the privileged box checked 4 the white woman on some issues and 4 black man on some issues.
(DIR) Post #9p1uAuG2h4x0QM5IHY by freemo@qoto.org
2019-11-16T19:53:42Z
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@ninad The point here though is just that, people **are** complex.. yes we can talk about race overall and the privilages it may denote. But when we talk about individuals we have to understand that virtually everyone has privilages and has oppression.Everyone is oppressed for some aspect of who they are, and almost everyone is privilaged for some aspect of who they are.@Deepsealioness
(DIR) Post #9p1uVCntRxVfjdb5hQ by Deepsealioness@mastodon.social
2019-11-16T19:56:22Z
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@ninad @freemo I agree with both of you, where Freemo & I disagree is I say all men are privileged & he disagrees. So we have to be agree to disagree and move on
(DIR) Post #9p1uVDFXn9cz7OXAnY by freemo@qoto.org
2019-11-16T19:57:23Z
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@Deepsealioness Fair, but to be clear im not sure if we really disagree on even that point. I think its just semantics (which apparently is important to both of us and we disagree there). But the underlying meaning of the words we are saying are mostly the same, we just disagree on how it should be said.@ninad
(DIR) Post #9p1udYUegxuLJya2d6 by ninad@mastodon.social
2019-11-16T19:58:54Z
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@freemo Not everyone. For example, say being a white straight male in US is (or was) the best position. In India, that position is being a Brahmin male. Similarly worst conditions too exist. Being a dalit/tribal woman in India. Untill the notion of hierarchy isn't completely eliminated from a generation, we must keep fighting. Positive note is that it has started happening in India as well. And with technology, will only gain pace & move exponentially!!@Deepsealioness
(DIR) Post #9p1uv7IaXWJuBuJHVo by freemo@qoto.org
2019-11-16T20:02:02Z
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@ninad Well some people may be oppressed in ways that are so minor as to not be particularly significant, but even a white straight male may have otehr ways they are oppressed.. If they are significantly overweight for example, that will absolutely cause them to be part of an oppressed group, same for if they happen to be disabled, or autistic, or if they have a history of drug abuse.There are countless qualities a person may have that falls ont he side of oppression rather than the side of privilege. I would assert that virtually everyone has at least some qualities that they are oppressed for, even if they may not be as significant as other qualities.One thing is clear to me, no one is univerally a member of the "privilaged" nor universally a member of "the oppressed", everyone is some mix of each in countless ways.@Deepsealioness
(DIR) Post #9p1vIWtHYWpYDtdZei by ninad@mastodon.social
2019-11-16T20:04:21Z
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@Deepsealioness No he doesn't disagree as far as I understood him. He just said what I said in earlier toot, to which I think you agree too :- Sometimes when comparing between hierarchies, things get complex. At such a time, each person in the comparison has certain privileges and is oppressed on certain issues.So better statement would be :- All men in India and US are privileged viz a viz women. All whites......viz a viz blacks..All brahmins....viz a viz dalits.@freemo
(DIR) Post #9p1vIXjOQmVwpW1Bse by freemo@qoto.org
2019-11-16T20:06:18Z
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@ninad Yes I'd say that is mostly it. I would just pick a slightly different wording (though we agree in what we are trying to say).My wording would be "being male caries with it privilage over being female" which while being slightly different wording I think is in agreement with what you said, yes.@Deepsealioness
(DIR) Post #9p1vX2AO4NgPHHYQd6 by Deepsealioness@mastodon.social
2019-11-16T20:08:56Z
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@freemo @ninad here my point is systematic oppression Vs oppression . Systematic oppression has large scale effects on entire community
(DIR) Post #9p1vnCwDmzJhJndmIi by freemo@qoto.org
2019-11-16T20:11:50Z
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@ninad I also want to point out one area that was from earlier where they may be some level of real disagreement, im not sure.But the other thing that is important to note for me is that while, on average and overall being male will give you more privilage than female, even that in isolation is situational.A male looking to get a raise in a small company owned by a female with sexist tendencies may very well hold the male back explicitly for his sex. In this scenario i think it would be fair to say the male is the victim of sexism and, at least in this scenario, not as privilaged for his sex.With that said, just as in the other conversation while the individual circumstances might be that way, on average it si more likely to be privilaged in most scenarios more often than you would be oppressed when compared against a woman.So for me me it all boils down to one important fact i was trying to get at when i started all of this and that is this:Generalizations are fine, and even useful if we want to fix society. But we must be very cautious of assuming that generalizations hold true against individual people or even specific scenarios. It is always contextual and if we loose sight of the context we tread very dangerous waters, that was all I was getting at.@Deepsealioness
(DIR) Post #9p1w3dtdKJibYrGbEu by freemo@qoto.org
2019-11-16T20:14:49Z
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@Deepsealioness Agreed thats why when we started i wasnt particularly happy with the word sexism as i felt we were talking about oppression not sexism, but at this point i agree we are talking specifically about systematic oppression (when talking in the generalized state), which of course is very serious, but it is also somewhat different from just sexism.But again, semantics so lets not beat a dead horse considering that we pretty much agree and really just use slightly different words to get there :)@ninad
(DIR) Post #9p1xTobEFsOOEvhb3w by techbolt@soc.safebook.space
2019-11-16T20:22:54.991851Z
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@freemoDavid Cameron, Jacob Rees Mogg, Boris Johnson, Michael Gove = universal members of "privileged class" 🤣😂They brought upon a nation the bane called Brexit for their internal party squabbles...Privilege is and does exist and is dependent on the context and cannot be generalized. Oppression is what weaker members of society face but weaker in what context has to be clearly defined for any action plan to be formulated.@ninad @Deepsealioness
(DIR) Post #9p1xTovR2kYVFb9jYe by freemo@qoto.org
2019-11-16T20:30:42Z
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@techbolt Well i thinkw e are mincing words here. When we talk about privilage in terms of sexism we are talking about "inherent advantages you have due to something you were born with".. we arent really talking about the more colloquial use of the term privilage which tends to mean "someone who has a lot of resources at his disposal".Women, as we covered, tend to be oppressed in much of the world, they are not generally considered "priilaged". But of course a billionair woman born into riches we might, as a colloquial term say "she is privilaged" even if her sex itself may add to her oppression rather than privilage. So we have to be careful not to mix these terms.Boris for example is clearly privilaged in the colloqual sense. He is a person who has power, and as such is privilaged. I'd also say that. Similarly we could say Teresa May was privilaged for the same reason, even if her sex may have contributed to some degree of oppression, overall she was privilaged in status and class.So by extension to take what I said earlier, Boris I am sure has at least some aspects in which he is oppressed. I really dont know him well enough to speculate what those may be. In fact its likely he probably hides them from the public if he has any such qualities (perhaps he has a heart defect for example he doesnt tell people about).So I'd say even Boris, while overall mostly privileged, likely has some aspects of his makeup, albeit perhaps minor, that also would cause him to have some aspect of oppression on him as well.@Deepsealioness @ninad
(DIR) Post #9p1y9qLO9wA3oSKkAy by DA70D6@kiwifarms.cc
2019-11-16T20:38:26.913577Z
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@Deepsealioness @freemo @ninad Can't make more women without a manCheckmate, feminists
(DIR) Post #9p1yIljGgcqU6el7fk by freemo@qoto.org
2019-11-16T20:39:58Z
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@DA70D6 100 women and one man can produce 100 new humans every 9 months.100 men and 1 woman can produce only 1 new human every 9 months.Would seem when it comes to making new humans the women are more vital component than the men.@Deepsealioness @ninad
(DIR) Post #9p1yPgaaCBnoBwzkC8 by DA70D6@kiwifarms.cc
2019-11-16T20:41:18.578891Z
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@freemo @Deepsealioness @ninad Are you saying that men are disposable and not as all-powerful as they are rumored? Checkmate, feminists
(DIR) Post #9p1yTVnuEiHTtu3EMi by freemo@qoto.org
2019-11-16T20:41:54Z
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@DA70D6 No I am saying that your metaphore fails to hold up to its intended purpose, nothing more.@Deepsealioness @ninad
(DIR) Post #9p21I1rDXJz5hSoeie by nerthos@shitposter.club
2019-11-16T21:13:31.891111Z
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@freemo @DA70D6 @Deepsealioness @ninad nice way to get serious inbreeding issues within 3 generations
(DIR) Post #9p225QrpL5S9SLetQ8 by DA70D6@kiwifarms.cc
2019-11-16T21:22:28.271992Z
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@freemo @Deepsealioness @ninad The purpose was to get (you)s, it worked out
(DIR) Post #9p2bVASMTOiCU4kp8q by yuduki@aria.company
2019-11-17T03:59:17.356096Z
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@nerthos @freemo @DA70D6 @Deepsealioness @ninad some say this has already happened after the previous cataclysm