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(DIR) Post #9oxooaZdv8mibMx3Oy by Deepsealioness@mastodon.social
2019-11-14T17:09:08Z
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Just another day in new India, Hindus not wanting a Muslim professor to teach Sanskrit. But Hindutva is different apparently 🙄 https://theprint.in/india/education/a-muslim-cant-teach-us-our-dharma-bhu-sanskrit-students-want-professor-out/321099/?amp&__twitter_impression=true
(DIR) Post #9oxoojJfPuLxiQXvFY by AmitRamesan@mastodon.social
2019-11-14T18:10:26Z
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@Deepsealioness Prabha, you are just doing the same thing the BJP is doing : conflating Hinduism and Hindutva. Hindutva by itself is morally indefensible ; why allow it to hide behind Hinduism?Agreed, Hinduism itself has a long way to go before we can create an egalitarian society in India.The "boil the ocean" approach isn't going to work ; let's prioritize the struggle against Hindutva and save our nation first, over reform in Hinduism.@ranjona @KavitaKrishnan
(DIR) Post #9oxook8iM7BcGkQgoi by Deepsealioness@mastodon.social
2019-11-14T18:56:19Z
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@AmitRamesan @ranjona @KavitaKrishnan Please don’t do false equivalence. Hindutva ideology did not do this Hindus did this, same with many other things. Let’s stop pretending that majority Hindus are turning bigoted
(DIR) Post #9oxooqExfnkTBrOlO4 by cprogrammer@mastodon.social
2019-11-14T19:10:53Z
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@Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona @KavitaKrishnan We keep on denying, but everywhere FB, Twitter & WA groups, the story is the same. We label them as Hindutva, but all of them happen to be our own friends, colleagues & relatives. Just handful of Hindus who r openly calling out the hatred. V keep on saying 31% when almost the entire country voted for Modi with a massive mandate. It's time we recognize this. At the moment, I personally feel, all is lost and V r no different than the Nazis.
(DIR) Post #9oxoos9iYGk58AxbUW by rkhuria@mastodon.social
2019-11-14T19:33:09Z
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@cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona @KavitaKrishnan Don’t think all is lost. Given current state of Economy and Employment, economic arguments might appeal more to voters than purely a communal argument. We need to find innovative channels, circumventing traditional TV media, to communicate. Modi’s disastrous economic performance gives us a window of opportunity
(DIR) Post #9oxooyWyqguou3tGaG by cprogrammer@mastodon.social
2019-11-14T19:45:16Z
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@rkhuria @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona There is a video of victims of the PMC bank disaster. A small section of the crowd starts shouting "Chowkidar Chor Hai" and there is an immediate reaction from many other PMC bank victims who tell "Don't speak like that about or PM". He is not responsible and a fight breaks out between two sections of the demonstrators. Folks acknowledge the economic mess but still want to blame the Cong party for the mess. I have few other stories like this too.
(DIR) Post #9oxop005Nxn7ScW1aa by rkhuria@mastodon.social
2019-11-14T19:51:18Z
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@cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona Just btw I am PMC victim. That apart don’t go by one video. On Whatsapp I get regular videos of PMC customers shower ‘Modiji’ with choicest abuses. And with Economic growth plummeting, ppl are likely to have less money in hand and little job security. If we can’t convert this situation against Modi, we will never be able to. Modi has never been so vulnerable as now with Major nations faulting him on Kashmir
(DIR) Post #9oxop6Gc5QZotcIJBQ by salm456@mastodon.social
2019-11-14T20:05:16Z
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@rkhuria @cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona But can common Hindus see beyond propaganda ? Can People go against Modi on economy and at the same time cheer him for locking Kashmir down, playing drama's on Pakistan ?The cheerleading majority has given Modi a free hand to do anything against democracy, freedom. Take situation in Kashmir for example. One state is locked down since 103 days, and it is not even part of road side discussions in rest of India.
(DIR) Post #9oxop8q8WKBEsMvhpY by tempearth@mastodon.social
2019-11-14T20:24:05Z
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@salm456 @rkhuria @cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona This has been on my mind for quite a long time. Economy is down, so ppl are not happy with Modi. But to me, it is very scary that majority of the ppl go against Modi only coz their money is in danger. Kashmir, the communal hatred and brainwashing being done should anger or alarm our ppl, even if they got the 15lakh jumla in their account. I feel scared when I think of the free reign they will give him if the economy improves.
(DIR) Post #9oxopCNvL9zPs1lEPY by SilkyNsa@mstdn.social
2019-11-14T20:34:31Z
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@tempearth @salm456 @rkhuria @cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona Impossible...he can never improve economy...the money for which he came in power is gonna bury him.
(DIR) Post #9oyKamYRmEPQEpquUC by rkhuria@mastodon.social
2019-11-14T20:35:55Z
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@tempearth @salm456 @cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona Economy is not going to improve in a hurry. Modi is also like to go slow on Muslim bashing because , going by his body language, his meetings in Saudi Arabia didn’t go too well. I still do believe what we need to tackle most urgently is communication- need to communicate our perspective to voters in the face of a hostile media. Voters prefer Modi / BJP because 24*7 they hear his propaganda on all channels
(DIR) Post #9oyKamzOA3xZaOSQTo by salm456@mastodon.social
2019-11-14T20:55:55Z
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@rkhuria @tempearth @cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona Everyone knew Modi is dangerous for economy,but still he won with even bigger Majority in 2019. The fundamental structure of Indian democracy has been weakened, constitutional institutions are bowing down. Only authority is Hindutva. When RSS thinks Modi can no longer lead, they will themselves disown Modi, and bring another bigot forward. There has to be a strategy to counter Hindutva rather than covering it up.
(DIR) Post #9oyKanKesyyQeMPPdI by rkhuria@mastodon.social
2019-11-14T21:00:30Z
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@salm456 @tempearth @cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona While I agree with most of u said, I also believe anyone who is regularly exposed to TV News can’t but believe in Modi because he is presented as a virtual superman. So the basic problem is not voters’ own thinking but the communication he is exposed to. Instead of blaming voters we need to find ways to expose him to alternative communication
(DIR) Post #9oyKanjTOip5tK1EJM by cprogrammer@mastodon.social
2019-11-14T21:19:55Z
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@rkhuria @salm456 @tempearth @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona the question is how do we do this? This is a superstitious country who now believe Modi will deliver s Hindu nation. Do you remember the madness that gripped entire country in Sep 1995, Ganesha drinking milk?Yes we are that mad to believe in such thingshttps://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/hindu-world-divided-by-a-24-hour-wonder-1602382.html
(DIR) Post #9oyKao4k7dpwxHyDSq by rkhuria@mastodon.social
2019-11-14T21:36:25Z
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@cprogrammer @salm456 @tempearth @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona So we really need to prove that Modi is bad for even Hindus. Is it so difficult to prove when in the economic disaster he has unleashed, common people are suffering- 70% of whom are Hindus?
(DIR) Post #9oyKaoQ0qYqo1FvCcK by itsriz@mastodon.social
2019-11-15T02:26:42Z
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@rkhuria @cprogrammer @salm456 @tempearth @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona "We really need to prove that Modi is bad for even Hindus" . Yes Indeed. As Owasi told "Hindu mind has been hacked", and it's hacked through a strategical propaganda through every other medium you name it, now majority of society believing to a point that blaming Modi/BJP is Hindu-blasphemy.
(DIR) Post #9oyKbedGiWLrxQWWUy by SRasikDoshi@mastodon.social
2019-11-15T01:43:38Z
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@cprogrammer @rkhuria @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona There was a video shared in What'sApp groups by bhakts that the solution to the PMC Bank disaster is to ostracise those in the bank responsible. There is no debate on what the govt is doing or should do. We are regressing to an age where the rule of the law will disappear and those accused of any crime will be judged by a mob and taken out on donkeys and their faces blackened.
(DIR) Post #9oyKbf11IDLn95dUWG by SRasikDoshi@mastodon.social
2019-11-15T01:49:47Z
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@cprogrammer @rkhuria @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona II've realised overtime after conversations with bhakts that the greatest flaw in our education system is that most people no matter how qualified or successful they are.. have no idea what the rule of the law or the Constitution really means.
(DIR) Post #9oyKe1hbukAa5SgZAu by RaghunathR@mastodon.social
2019-11-14T21:29:33Z
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@salm456 @rkhuria @tempearth @cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona my worry is that "historians" will one day elevate Modi as a "non-partisan statesman" once Yogi ascends to power... Just like the comparison with Modi made Vajpayee look "moderate" in their eyes.
(DIR) Post #9oyKo760iS3Fi7uNTk by Deepsealioness@mastodon.social
2019-11-14T20:16:12Z
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@rkhuria @cprogrammer @AmitRamesan @ranjona am sorry you are a PMC victim, I hope you get your dues. But honestly the masses are so poisoned there is no fair reasoning. They have been told Muslims are our ebonies and Khangress is our enemy . They believe it
(DIR) Post #9oyKo7U7GpKkutBd3I by rkhuria@mastodon.social
2019-11-14T20:22:12Z
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@Deepsealioness @cprogrammer @AmitRamesan @ranjona I do feel mood is changing. In Haryana & Maharashtra & assembly by elections BJP performance was below par. Modi is being roundly criticised on Kashmir, Economic Mismanagement. Muslim bashing has reached a point of saturation and people seem more concerned about diminishing earnings / job security. BJP’s allies are deserting it. Now is the time to make a final combined push against Modi
(DIR) Post #9oz29ewoLc8OoH7qu8 by DesCoutinho@mastodon.social
2019-11-15T04:55:54Z
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@tempearth @salm456 @rkhuria @cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona Then again fascism also does better when the economy fails because the Gov can scape goat minority communities saying they have wealth because decent hard working hindus are poor.
(DIR) Post #9oz2F40cb5EXz6U7qy by Malik_@mastodon.social
2019-11-15T03:18:21Z
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@rkhuria @Deepsealioness @cprogrammer @AmitRamesan @ranjona we thought this before the general election but ultimately people were swayed by modi and unfortunately he has attained a kind of Messiah image
(DIR) Post #9oz2H4XtZZWoED0Rvs by VivekT@mastodon.social
2019-11-15T02:54:51Z
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@RaghunathR @salm456 @rkhuria @tempearth @cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona We have a saying in Marathi that means " a brick is softer than stone". Having said that, not all historians (i have deliberately avoided the quotation marks) see Vajpayee as a moderate. In fact they see his as the foundation on which the "Modi" edifice is constructed.
(DIR) Post #9oz9394KesMbsiU6Iy by rkhuria@mastodon.social
2019-11-15T11:44:27Z
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@DesCoutinho @tempearth @salm456 @cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona But why are we assuming their response and our failure before even starting. You are assuming BJP and Modi are unbeatable . I don’t agree. We need to refine our strategy and go ahead. Modi is most vulnerable now since 2014
(DIR) Post #9ozdEJzfNUWfZfY0Aq by tempearth@mastodon.social
2019-11-15T04:40:42Z
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@rkhuria @salm456 @cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona I agree with you on the propaganda channels. In a country where TV rules the lives of ppl, we should have a channel that lists out the facts and the reasons behind it. Modi may be slow in muslim bashing nowadays but his supporters and voters aren't. The duo has unleashed a hateful demon that maybe imposible even for them to reign in.
(DIR) Post #9ozdEKfUrxzDfP7PNI by rkhuria@mastodon.social
2019-11-15T12:26:46Z
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@tempearth @salm456 @cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona In fact Modi has subcontracted demonising of Muslims to TV channels. Our first battle is against TV channels or establishing alternative communication channels
(DIR) Post #9ozdELEalU3jQFXR4q by Vrigu@mastodon.social
2019-11-15T14:25:36Z
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@rkhuria @tempearth @salm456 @cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona This is exactly what the fascists did in the run up to 2014. To make up for the lack of space for them in tv news and newspapers, they just circumnavigated around traditional channels and spewed their venom on the nascent social media channels. Never thought that they will be dictating the terms in social media on day.
(DIR) Post #9p0QY6cJiVkXdJgnzs by NSure@mastodon.social
2019-11-15T04:20:02Z
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@cprogrammer @AmitRamesan @ranjona @KavitaKrishnan You forgot the EVMs, friend!!I am finding more & more bhakts unhappy with snoopy. Some themselves feel the pinch, others have bros/ sis/ dear friends feeling the pinch and so, the change!Neither ultra rich nor ultra poor will feel it - one has too much money to bother, the other isn't bothered coz they haven't seen money...It is the middle class that feels it and the majority of us are middle class!!
(DIR) Post #9p0QY6wAWhd4csyewK by AmitRamesan@mastodon.social
2019-11-15T16:47:59Z
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I don't think we should blame EVMs whenever the result goes against us; look at MH results. Besides, do consider the various opinions here that Mr. Modi still enjoys substantial, if waning, support. Let's prepare for the scary scenario : there's no fixing. There's a lot of good work being done by @naukarshah , @poonamjourno et al. on EVM issues in parallel, so I'd say , once again : we should prepare for the scary scenario of "No fixing." @NSure @cprogrammer @ranjona @KavitaKrishnan
(DIR) Post #9p0QY7H5GwMLfklMXY by cprogrammer@mastodon.social
2019-11-16T02:08:55Z
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@AmitRamesan @naukarshah @poonamjourno @NSure @ranjona @KavitaKrishnan i never believed that EVM have been solely responsible. I have asked so many people, shopkeepers, uber drivers, househelp here in Pune, Maharashtra. All of them voted 4 Modi in lok sabha elections. The state elections too, they voted for BJP. There is a huge class divide. For them Modi is a cult figure, who has destroyed the rich & the corrupt Khangress & he is correcting the wrong
(DIR) Post #9p0QY7dPvuDwn1DCLo by ranjona@mstdn.social
2019-11-16T02:47:04Z
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@cprogrammer @AmitRamesan @naukarshah @poonamjourno @NSure @KavitaKrishnan And yet i have met many who said they did not vote Modi, especially in May 2019 and yet... anecdotal evidence although us journalists use it all the time, is interesting but not a complete yardstick.
(DIR) Post #9p0TAhuzgDdwEWxZCa by cprogrammer@mastodon.social
2019-11-16T03:14:39Z
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@ranjona @AmitRamesan @naukarshah @poonamjourno @NSure @KavitaKrishnan my observation might not apply 2 other places, because Pune is urban and has large Brahmin population who always votes 4 BJP. I know so many who distributed sweets when Babri was felled down. Many have distributed pamphlets in the 90s that Taj Mahal was built over a shiv temple. Those pamphlets also provide proofs (all false). My own relatives r all blind bhakts, except 4 just 5 of us.
(DIR) Post #9p0W6hZBLUx1qXXToe by st_in@mastodon.social
2019-11-16T03:39:17Z
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@cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona @KavitaKrishnan how sure are you about mandate. this govt is nothing but a EVM sarkar even ECI and judiciary sides a fascist regime and only thing they are successful is creating a perception by making you believe that majority with them by continuous false narratives created with the help of modia and mob violence which effectively works as a good cover for manipulation
(DIR) Post #9p0W85S41iMCDMs0f2 by ansh_blue@mastodon.social
2019-11-16T03:23:41Z
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@cprogrammer @ranjona @AmitRamesan @naukarshah @poonamjourno @NSure @KavitaKrishnan it's a combination of both then, where the race is neck to neck tamper the evms... But we've turned far right in extremely short span of time
(DIR) Post #9p0Wao7lWpMKsA4Rmq by RaghunathR@mastodon.social
2019-11-16T03:44:52Z
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@cprogrammer @ranjona @AmitRamesan @naukarshah @poonamjourno @NSure @KavitaKrishnan relatives, friends, high school classmates, neighbors...all seem to be under the thrall of "dear leader".... If not for Mastodon, I would be forgiven to think we are an endangered tribe
(DIR) Post #9p0WaoTOEQelxEBiUa by NSure@mastodon.social
2019-11-16T03:53:10Z
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@RaghunathR @cprogrammer @ranjona @AmitRamesan @naukarshah @poonamjourno @KavitaKrishnan It's changing before my eyes! Someone's brother has lost his job, someone else is bothered by the prospect of paying tax on his gold. Someone else is now worried that his property is worth much less now, while someone else has now started seeing the devious agenda - completely disregarding economy & humanity if the bjpeeNo, I'd say bjpee fandom is getting weaker by the day, coz their policies spare noone!
(DIR) Post #9p0Wd5r0a4KSRJK4Nk by ranjona@mstdn.social
2019-11-16T03:55:14Z
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@NSure @RaghunathR @cprogrammer @AmitRamesan @naukarshah @poonamjourno @KavitaKrishnan Also I'd say people are scared to speak up.
(DIR) Post #9p0ZITIqVDkWwkCZkG by SabinaBasha@mastodon.social
2019-11-16T04:18:39Z
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@ranjona @NSure The mystery is why they still vote BJP.
(DIR) Post #9p0ZIU1Vp9TjBH6FMm by ranjona@mstdn.social
2019-11-16T04:25:06Z
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@SabinaBasha @NSure apart from manipulation? I would say hatred and insecurity.
(DIR) Post #9p0ZJ1tBub1aDJT57I by st_in@mastodon.social
2019-11-16T03:44:25Z
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@cprogrammer @AmitRamesan @naukarshah @poonamjourno @NSure @ranjona @KavitaKrishnan this is because all fear for their life now whoever speaks the truth either often visited by various arms of police or tax officials if this two doesn't work they send goons
(DIR) Post #9p0ZJ2ESdW2RHHQ4Gm by NSure@mastodon.social
2019-11-16T03:55:58Z
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@st_in @cprogrammer @AmitRamesan @naukarshah @poonamjourno @ranjona @KavitaKrishnan That's true only if you're someone sort of well known. These bastards don't control our thoughts & actions like the Gestapo once did - totally!!
(DIR) Post #9p0ZJ2YfQOCYHwsClU by st_in@mastodon.social
2019-11-16T04:07:08Z
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@NSure @cprogrammer @AmitRamesan @naukarshah @poonamjourno @ranjona @KavitaKrishnan when leaders of main opposition run for bail between all the courts what message it gives to poor common citizens if u go through the law books u can see how effectively they created a space for political interventions simply means u can be haunted or pampered or both under laws nobody is accountable to anybody that is how they got courage to implement DeMo like disasters
(DIR) Post #9p0ZKts8gp6lvdrsa8 by NSure@mastodon.social
2019-11-16T03:58:43Z
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@ranjona @RaghunathR @cprogrammer @AmitRamesan @naukarshah @poonamjourno @KavitaKrishnan Indeed. Life is precious to each one of us!But if life itself is threatened, even a butterfly would fight back and that situation is drawing near!Once we get rid of hacked EVMs, we will see the real number of bjpee bhaktha!
(DIR) Post #9p0qjzlLcmrUerF9bE by VivekT@mastodon.social
2019-11-16T06:57:57Z
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@rkhuria @DesCoutinho @tempearth @salm456 @cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona A question to everyone in this discussion :Were you aware of the emergence of Modi on the national scene, or were blindsided by his win in 2014.Personally i was living in a liberal cocoon thinking that Indians by and large are tolerant and would never support BJP ideology on a larger canvas.The cocoon cracked in 2014 and was totally destroyed in 2019.
(DIR) Post #9p0qk0ljsoljmMQyqe by rkhuria@mastodon.social
2019-11-16T07:16:34Z
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@VivekT @DesCoutinho @tempearth @salm456 @cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona I was shocked in 2014 by the magnitude of Modi’s success, though I had more or less accepted his victory. In 2019 I was expecting his defeat or a marginal win; and see the role of a faulty electoral process. Communalism alone has not contributed to his win, media ran a sustained campaign in his favour plus enormous amount of money was poured by his capitalists to ensure his victory
(DIR) Post #9p0qkSyT15aTFwbXZg by DesCoutinho@mastodon.social
2019-11-16T07:00:41Z
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@VivekT @rkhuria @tempearth @salm456 @cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona As far as I recall prior to 2014 he was a universal persona non grata because of the evidence of his being guilty of the Gurjarat genocide. But once the Indian People elected him PM he was granted visas to respect the Indian People's choice. No Gov changed their view of the man. They just said that's India for you.
(DIR) Post #9p0qkTkK99rteMzlAW by rkhuria@mastodon.social
2019-11-16T07:05:05Z
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@DesCoutinho @VivekT @tempearth @salm456 @cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona True. Inherently he is the same man who was responsible for Genocide of 2002, who now wears a cloak of respectability because of his electoral success.
(DIR) Post #9p0qkUm8JuuSqGqicy by DesCoutinho@mastodon.social
2019-11-16T07:07:00Z
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@rkhuria @VivekT @tempearth @salm456 @cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona And though some claim its all faulty EVMs he is a genuinely populist ruler like Indirah Gandhi and like her can get away with a lot. This is an 80% Hindu country and like Trump giving voice to the mid west WASPs and White Trash he is reclaiming India from their fears of what it might become. Plus Congress remains incredibly corrupt on delivery. He values delivery of schemes for the poor.
(DIR) Post #9p0qkViyn7ytmmNiLo by VivekT@mastodon.social
2019-11-16T07:14:43Z
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@DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @salm456 @cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona The specific question i raised was were we liberals caught by surprise and shocked by his ascendancy or we were expecting it?If we were shocked we should analyse where we went wrong. Were we complacent and condescending with the people who we now criticize and label as "bhakts"? Anyway only navel gazing won't help. The idea is to find a solution and a voice.
(DIR) Post #9p0qlTv6z9KwTmWFai by DesCoutinho@mastodon.social
2019-11-16T07:04:18Z
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@VivekT @rkhuria @tempearth @salm456 @cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona But on Indian liberals they didn't seem to react much to the Kashmir Coup. The few I knew would say there were of course miffed by the way it happens but they joined the nation in expressing joy at such a bold move that has now united India. And what a fool that Nehru was. I just assume he'll be reelected.
(DIR) Post #9p0qlV2aoounxH1jtI by rkhuria@mastodon.social
2019-11-16T07:10:07Z
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@DesCoutinho @VivekT @tempearth @salm456 @cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona U must understand limitations of liberals. They are already presented by BJP and media as anti Hindu, even anti National. If they strongly oppose what is perceived by a majority as a ‘Nationalistic’ act they will be isolated and become unpopular. And unpopular liberals will be of no use to Kashmiris, to Minorities, in fact to anyone.
(DIR) Post #9p0qlW09FOYOvytIie by DesCoutinho@mastodon.social
2019-11-16T07:11:47Z
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@rkhuria @VivekT @tempearth @salm456 @cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona That's the reason many voices have been stifled. But my response is if you remain silent now when the Government has not come for you don't you just hand power over. I certainly don't expect support from any Indian liberal if trouble comes that's not what they do. For the most part they belong to a business giving each other meaningless awards and networking. Nobody rocks the boat.
(DIR) Post #9p0qqUdTkh1U99f3mi by Saumyajit@mastodon.social
2019-11-16T04:20:19Z
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@NSure @RaghunathR @cprogrammer @ranjona @AmitRamesan @naukarshah @poonamjourno @KavitaKrishnan Couple of my friends have voted Congress for the first time in their life in the Maha elections. They are not bhakts but lifetime BJP voters.
(DIR) Post #9p0qqW7eE0kWl0mfRo by NSure@mastodon.social
2019-11-16T04:23:48Z
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@Saumyajit @RaghunathR @cprogrammer @ranjona @AmitRamesan @naukarshah @poonamjourno @KavitaKrishnan The Prodigal Voters! I'm happy you have a ready example for what I believe strongly in! May the examples multiply like rabbits!!
(DIR) Post #9p0qqXiuGy9BirDwA4 by Saumyajit@mastodon.social
2019-11-16T04:26:37Z
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@NSure @RaghunathR @cprogrammer @ranjona @AmitRamesan @naukarshah @poonamjourno @KavitaKrishnan The cult of the bhakts still remain though.
(DIR) Post #9p0qqZ6h80lm0vMRsW by NSure@mastodon.social
2019-11-16T04:28:36Z
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@Saumyajit @RaghunathR @cprogrammer @ranjona @AmitRamesan @naukarshah @poonamjourno @KavitaKrishnan I think it is a few people making all the noise.I'm more worried about the large number of quiet sheep!! Hopefully, they will grow larynxes and stings soon!!
(DIR) Post #9p0qqal8z6if8fIGZ6 by cprogrammer@mastodon.social
2019-11-16T06:02:33Z
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@NSure @Saumyajit @RaghunathR @ranjona @AmitRamesan @naukarshah @poonamjourno @KavitaKrishnan Justice Katju: "Everything has collapsed in India, all state institutions have become hollow and empty shells, and largely corrupt, while the Indian economy is tanking and the people’s distress is growing, with record and rising unemployment.http://www.therationaldaily.com/opinion/a-french-revolution-is-coming-in-india/
(DIR) Post #9p0qz7nw0YH3wVfSrI by BaankeyBihari@mastodon.social
2019-11-16T04:42:51Z
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@cprogrammer @ranjona @AmitRamesan @naukarshah @poonamjourno @NSure @KavitaKrishnan just wanna say something, Please read Harry Potter. And understand the reaction of people when rise and fall of Voldemort happened. People on both sides kept fighting but most of them came out only when their side is winning. Times now show the same. We all are fighting our battles so that we can collectively win the war.
(DIR) Post #9p0qz8LG0evfbrG4nY by NSure@mastodon.social
2019-11-16T05:01:00Z
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@BaankeyBihari @cprogrammer @ranjona @AmitRamesan @naukarshah @poonamjourno @KavitaKrishnan And where did she (harry potter author - I forget her name) get that from???From observing LIFE! Every revolution has followed the same pattern!
(DIR) Post #9p0qz8uhsrHlNnqO3M by ranjona@mstdn.social
2019-11-16T07:43:19Z
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@NSure @BaankeyBihari @cprogrammer @AmitRamesan @naukarshah @poonamjourno @KavitaKrishnan JK Rowling.
(DIR) Post #9p0rCVYj03HNNgw2Ns by DesCoutinho@mastodon.social
2019-11-16T07:17:06Z
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@VivekT @rkhuria @tempearth @salm456 @cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona I got an easy solution stop using scions of the Nehru/Gandhi family to run Congress and be PM. Then allow youth congress the power to choose their own leaders. Allow local parties to select and deselect their own MPs and stop the whole process of election being around money. Make political service be about service not making a shed load of money
(DIR) Post #9p0rCW4d5QneydrW76 by VivekT@mastodon.social
2019-11-16T07:24:34Z
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@DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @salm456 @cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona Yogendra Yadav's Political party is trying to do what you suggest. Nehru-Gandhi family cannot be neglected because it is seen as the only magnet that keeps the fratricidal Congress satraps in check. On a national level they are still the ones who can garner votes although the law of diminishing returns is stands proved by them. Unfortunately there is no comparative focal point yer.
(DIR) Post #9p0rCWYPIicSSznIWm by DesCoutinho@mastodon.social
2019-11-16T07:27:31Z
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@VivekT @rkhuria @tempearth @salm456 @cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona I was told once that the example of Arwind Kejriwal for good or ill was a one off. The people of Delhi are the most politically mature in India not so bound to petty clan loyalties. I heard maybe regional parties could bring down the BJP if they formed an agreed campaign memorandum and didn't sell out for personal wealth or power. But India is a new country God knows what it will decide to do
(DIR) Post #9p0rCWzLgYAboYOoWO by ranjona@mstdn.social
2019-11-16T07:45:44Z
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@DesCoutinho @VivekT @rkhuria @tempearth @salm456 @cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan Bombay people keep complaining about the BMC and then keep voting for the Sena! Or rather, don't vote in municipal elections so the votebank wins. And then next monsoon, boo hoo hoo. People are weird.
(DIR) Post #9p0rQItsrTEMAuPVZI by ranjona@mstdn.social
2019-11-16T07:48:13Z
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@VivekT @DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @salm456 @cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan As AAP discovered, fighting elections minus grassroots penetration and support is almost impossible. Plus, you need lots of money!!I find middle class and above do-gooders quite ignorant about the electoral process. Or should i say innocent?
(DIR) Post #9p0rXbbRiweACuGgDo by NSure@mastodon.social
2019-11-16T07:47:41Z
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@ranjona @BaankeyBihari @cprogrammer @AmitRamesan @naukarshah @poonamjourno @KavitaKrishnan Thanks, Ranjona! 😊I remembered the name a bit after pressing TOOT! 😂
(DIR) Post #9p0rXbx4QXwbHyNwvY by ranjona@mstdn.social
2019-11-16T07:49:33Z
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@NSure @BaankeyBihari @cprogrammer @AmitRamesan @naukarshah @poonamjourno @KavitaKrishnan Haha! Murphy's law never fails!
(DIR) Post #9p0rj9LabVOi34M7ua by NSure@mastodon.social
2019-11-16T07:49:23Z
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@VivekT @rkhuria @DesCoutinho @tempearth @salm456 @cprogrammer @AmitRamesan @ranjona I was blindsided, Vivek. Even though I was far from happy with UPA2...
(DIR) Post #9p0rj9ejSKi50RJPkW by ranjona@mstdn.social
2019-11-16T07:51:38Z
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@NSure @VivekT @rkhuria @DesCoutinho @tempearth @salm456 @cprogrammer @AmitRamesan But so much of that "unhappiness" was predicated on lies. The so-called spectrum scam. The RSS run India Against Corruption movement. APCO's creation of Superhero Modi. A very very clever campaign.
(DIR) Post #9p0tcCqhNzGSn3iwQS by tempearth@mastodon.social
2019-11-16T08:04:54Z
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@VivekT @rkhuria @DesCoutinho @salm456 @cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona I wasn't blindsided, was sure that Modi will win. 2014 as I observed in my 20s+ circle, wasn't about BJP vs Cong, it was about Modi vs Rahul Gandhi and Modi became a demigod in a short time before the elections. 2019 crushed my thinking, hopes and impression of this country. My friends and near ones were happy in re-electing him. 2019 burned my idea of India to ashes and the phoenix is nowhere in sight.
(DIR) Post #9p0teZr8ohxmj03s1Y by VivekT@mastodon.social
2019-11-16T08:10:24Z
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@ranjona @NSure @rkhuria @DesCoutinho @tempearth @salm456 @cprogrammer @AmitRamesan Yes a very cleverly marketed campaign. The point missed by many is that the higher echelons of bureaucracy are filled with RSS "Apparatchiks" who halways tried to weaken the congress governments from within.Nehru being too popular and Indira too strong, they remained in check.The politically weaker PMs could not do that and lost credibility.Their negative image was countered by the seeming positive Modi.
(DIR) Post #9p0tfmfieaOGlIIJ8K by CharismaticSal_@mastodon.social
2019-11-16T08:07:29Z
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@cprogrammer you are absolutely right! In one of d WA groups I saw a member comparing PMC Bank crisis and what Congress did. I deleted that forward, otherwise wud have shared here. That WA forward simply trying to prove whatsoever, Congress did more damage than what the ruling govt is doing. In a way supporting the ruling party no matter what the economic condition is currently. @rkhuria @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona
(DIR) Post #9p0th3EUZAYGPjABA8 by NSure@mastodon.social
2019-11-16T07:56:40Z
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@ranjona @VivekT @rkhuria @DesCoutinho @tempearth @salm456 @cprogrammer @AmitRamesan Satya Vachan, Ranjona!Bloody liars, perjurers, monsters!!
(DIR) Post #9p0tiWZuwglDiWt4gy by VivekT@mastodon.social
2019-11-16T07:55:59Z
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@ranjona @DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @salm456 @cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan After 72 years of independence criminally ignorant is the right word. Talking about elections sans money is too naive. Propagation of ideology needs money unless science/technology finds a cheap way of transmitting thought waves.(Do I hear someone saying ancient India had such technology?)
(DIR) Post #9p0tl421XPWu3AFEnY by ranjona@mstdn.social
2019-11-16T08:14:22Z
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@VivekT @DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @salm456 @cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan 😂
(DIR) Post #9p0tmzWHHhRCdSJZya by CharismaticSal_@mastodon.social
2019-11-16T08:14:14Z
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@cprogrammer u r absolutely right! I saw a member in one of the groups trying to prove that Congress did more damage than the ruling party. Deleted that forward, otherwise wud have shared here. In short, what that forward trying to mean was that the PMC Bank crisis is nothing as compared to the damage done by Congress. Whatsoever, trying to prove the ruling party is always correct! Supporting blindly!@rkhuria @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona
(DIR) Post #9p0to6xz5BbC1MoBF2 by VivekT@mastodon.social
2019-11-16T08:13:47Z
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@tempearth @rkhuria @DesCoutinho @salm456 @cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona To what do you attribute Modi's rise as a Demi God apart from the usual suspects like modia and social media networking acumen
(DIR) Post #9p0u0mILFbJffpN1SS by ranjona@mstdn.social
2019-11-16T08:17:14Z
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@VivekT @tempearth @rkhuria @DesCoutinho @salm456 @cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan There is an innate human desire for a "strong" leader. An abdication of civic responsibility according to me. Charisma and speechifying ain't going to give you good policies or implementation skills.
(DIR) Post #9p0uOYa1tRI25Wyxfc by SilkyNsa@mstdn.social
2019-11-16T08:21:32Z
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@tempearth @VivekT @rkhuria @DesCoutinho @salm456 @cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona Dont commit sin of giving up hope in mankind esp Indian DNA.Hope Phoenix always come when least expected..at last breathe
(DIR) Post #9p0vBhr4CMON2jO5ku by tempearth@mastodon.social
2019-11-16T08:29:41Z
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@SilkyNsa Something that keeps me going is that only hope :)
(DIR) Post #9p0vBiAZ1rzK1CVf96 by SilkyNsa@mstdn.social
2019-11-16T08:30:25Z
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@tempearth That's with all of us
(DIR) Post #9p1MXJxiPQvc4f1pXk by DesCoutinho@mastodon.social
2019-11-16T12:59:44Z
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@VivekT @ranjona @NSure @rkhuria @tempearth @salm456 @cprogrammer @AmitRamesan Indira Gandhi showed that Indians are as stupid or naive as you might imagine. She foolishly allowed an election after she and her sociopathic son initiated their reign of terror and being surrounded by psycophants were shocked when the people threw they out. And that dear Indians for a simple people who like to overcomplicate is the key power of democracy. You remove govs by guns and bombs or peaceful elections
(DIR) Post #9p1MXKMWvAmHJcdeDo by VivekT@mastodon.social
2019-11-16T13:09:56Z
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@DesCoutinho @ranjona @NSure @rkhuria @tempearth @salm456 @cprogrammer @AmitRamesan Indira Gandhi showed that Indians are as stupid or naive as you might imagine. She foolishly allowed an election after she and her sociopathic son initiated their reign of terror and being surrounded by psycophants were shocked when the people threw they out.Those are two contradictory statements. Either she knew the Indian people or she was foolish. Or we wer foolish when we elected her and wise when she lost
(DIR) Post #9p1MXKgji2wOKI5miW by DesCoutinho@mastodon.social
2019-11-16T13:13:55Z
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@VivekT @ranjona @NSure @rkhuria @tempearth @salm456 @cprogrammer @AmitRamesan People voted her back the election after but they threw her out. Committing genocide against Sikhs and keeping Sikh body guards prolly not the wisest decision. But if you're still confused. Seems to me you suffer from an orientalist mindset. you should understand now why Modi-ji will be elected again by his followers. Your love for that tyrant is like the love they have for him
(DIR) Post #9p1MXL3mKNN9TksBdI by VivekT@mastodon.social
2019-11-16T13:15:41Z
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@DesCoutinho @ranjona @NSure @rkhuria @tempearth @salm456 @cprogrammer @AmitRamesan I don't think people threw her out after making a come back. Rather she was assassinated.
(DIR) Post #9p1MXLXYXfBwy6ny2y by cprogrammer@mastodon.social
2019-11-16T13:33:08Z
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@VivekT @DesCoutinho @ranjona @NSure @rkhuria @tempearth @salm456 @AmitRamesan I was doing my degree in the 80s and people would heavily come down on me whenever I criticized IG and the doordarshan for continuously praising her. She was no lesser god during her time, than what Modi is now. She also promoted sycophancy and crony capitalism and kept india technologically backward. Her own son RG along with Sam Pitroda ushered in some progress. Remember how easy it became 2 call home?
(DIR) Post #9p1MXTo9npDybudL28 by ranjona@mstdn.social
2019-11-16T13:36:49Z
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@cprogrammer @VivekT @DesCoutinho @NSure @rkhuria @tempearth @salm456 @AmitRamesan All that most of you have said is true. And it is important to remember and analyse or re-analyse the past. But Indira Gandhi was assassinated in 1984. India is a different country in many ways now in 2019. The current dispensation has learnt from Indira Gandhi but taken it further. We need collective thought and action now. Not breastbeating about the dead and gone.
(DIR) Post #9p1Ml4E9hwK3KNGzSK by NSure@mastodon.social
2019-11-16T13:38:29Z
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@cprogrammer @VivekT @DesCoutinho @ranjona @rkhuria @tempearth @salm456 @AmitRamesan Yes, IG was the Iron Lady, did what she wanted!! But not vicious like modi! And, she had charm, wit, poise! Internationally, we came into some reckoning thanks to her!!Reg: IT, those were early days! I completed my BE in 1982, working on a Mainframe as big as a building! Punch Cards & all! Rajiv ushered in PC & Telecom shortly after the world did, IG ensured we were the 5th Nuclear Power?? So, no complaints!!
(DIR) Post #9p1Mx4EDWuRYo11XqS by ranjona@mstdn.social
2019-11-16T13:41:31Z
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@NSure @cprogrammer @VivekT @DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @salm456 @AmitRamesan Frankly i cannot understand this need for perfection from the Opposition, individually or collectively, while Modi, Shah, the BJP, the RSS are allowed to get away with murder, destruction and worse. I say expose them first.
(DIR) Post #9p1OcNHXh3qHj6q8lU by cprogrammer@mastodon.social
2019-11-16T13:53:24Z
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@ranjona @NSure @VivekT @DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @salm456 @AmitRamesan The opposition just need to come out and start becoming the voice of the people and start speaking against1. Victimization of Muslims2. Misuse of laws against citizens (PSA, etc)3. Do not engage with media unless for speaking about issues4. Organize peaceful street protests, and move away from air-conditioned PCs5. Take a firm stand on issues like ayodhya, triple talaq, #370, sabrimala, communalism
(DIR) Post #9p1OdKpcI19gPsEgZE by NSure@mastodon.social
2019-11-16T13:45:41Z
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@ranjona @cprogrammer @VivekT @DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @salm456 @AmitRamesan Agreed again!! WHOEVER else runs the country - including the mongrel that begs for a crumb during my walk to my office - can run it better than 56 cms & chaddi buddy vomit shah!!!Let's get then to vacate Parliament House first!!
(DIR) Post #9p1OdpcDprrPtJCvUe by VivekT@mastodon.social
2019-11-16T13:44:52Z
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@ranjona @NSure @cprogrammer @DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @salm456 @AmitRamesan It's almost like the media is blaming the opposition for the failure of the Modi-Shah combine. Like when a spoiled entitled brat blames the parents for his/her failures.
(DIR) Post #9p2z1qbDcWTROsRttA by rkhuria@mastodon.social
2019-11-16T07:59:28Z
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@DesCoutinho @VivekT @tempearth @salm456 @cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona Recipe for sure disaster. If Gandhi family is not on the scene, Modi will sweep elections. Gandhi family is the only proven safeguard against Communalism
(DIR) Post #9p2z1qvQPOdYPXu2Ns by DesCoutinho@mastodon.social
2019-11-16T13:12:14Z
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@rkhuria @VivekT @tempearth @salm456 @cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona Well spotted sir typo Indians are not as stupid or naive as you might think. The rest I think you are deliberately misunderstanding because you think you are still on twitter. She establshed dictatorial coup ending democracy in India so far Mr Modi just does that to individual states though she practised first on that. With her son she decided the best way to save indian was to sterlize the poor and low caste
(DIR) Post #9p2z1rGh8JePTVr1XM by rkhuria@mastodon.social
2019-11-16T15:16:00Z
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@DesCoutinho @VivekT @tempearth @salm456 @cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona A remarkably ignorant and uninformed comment! But are we discussing how to get rid of Modi or making a post mortem of Indira Gandhi regime
(DIR) Post #9p2z1rfrcjmejZd7lg by cprogrammer@mastodon.social
2019-11-17T02:48:36Z
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@rkhuria @DesCoutinho @VivekT @tempearth @salm456 @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona If we have to get rid of Modi, it cannot be with the current opposition (including the Cong party insistence on the Gandhi's leading it. It has to be an opposition which has the spine and the fire inside it to come out on the streets. The current oppososition, including the Cong just doesn't have that fire. They all have serve serving individuals.https://www.hindustantimes.com/columns/why-the-gandhis-cannot-lead-india-s-opposition-writes-ramachandra-guha/story-9PX89Gl9ecU1zK0nxK5TgM.html
(DIR) Post #9p2z1ryeUsoRfqQ83M by rkhuria@mastodon.social
2019-11-17T07:49:13Z
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@cprogrammer @DesCoutinho @VivekT @tempearth @salm456 @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona Gandhis are the best bet for stopping Modi. So the charade of Opposition without Gandhi is being enacted at behest of Modi. Feel sad some well meaning individuals are falling for it. Without Gandhis, Modi will be unstoppable.
(DIR) Post #9p2z1sLL8WxcoD2FPs by VivekT@mastodon.social
2019-11-17T07:58:08Z
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@rkhuria I wouldn't say that well meaning individuals are falling for Modi's charade. What they need is reassuring signs that the Congress under the leadership of Gandhis is ready to take to the streets and fight. Too many of the Congress have become soft. It needs people like Gourav Vallabh to fight on the streets not just on TV shows.@cprogrammer @DesCoutinho @tempearth @salm456 @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona
(DIR) Post #9p2z1seTzMGzlZzXFo by ranjona@mstdn.social
2019-11-17T08:22:51Z
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@VivekT @rkhuria @cprogrammer @DesCoutinho @tempearth @salm456 @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan I've said before and i'll say it again: a log of wood could not be a worse PM than Narendra Modi.
(DIR) Post #9p52xNWwXoGmDdUfQm by AmitRamesan@mastodon.social
2019-11-18T07:16:07Z
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Well said, Ma'am. Narendra Modi is the #WorstPMEver . I don't understand the so-called TINA factor, since Mr. Modi is not an alternative. Consider corruption, which people say is a reason to vote against INC : corruption, which was an esoteric art under INC, is now an exact science under BJP. Electoral bonds, foreign funding, shell companies all have LEGALIZED corruption.@ranjona @VivekT @rkhuria @cprogrammer @DesCoutinho @tempearth @salm456 @Deepsealioness
(DIR) Post #9p53LimNC2EX4TJnU0 by tariquesani@fosstodon.org
2019-11-18T08:04:11Z
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@VivekT I personally was shocked and surprised. I always use to boast my India will not allow it. My friends from all religion are very secure and secular they will see through it and not support. All that has unfortunately been proven wrong. People I have known for half a century appear like strangers, nay zombies following some unresistable force. I can’t fathom what could I have done differently @DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @salm456 @cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona
(DIR) Post #9p53OdY75vNFif2Ssy by VivekT@mastodon.social
2019-11-18T08:08:14Z
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@tariquesani So how are you dealing with it and what do you see is the way forward?@DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @salm456 @cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona
(DIR) Post #9p53Oetm4sILu8BHHs by tariquesani@fosstodon.org
2019-11-18T08:18:13Z
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@VivekT I don’t think I am dealing with it at all, other than just be stunned! At times doubting my own self...What do you do when a childhood friend says your death could be an acceptable collateral damage? Or suddenly when my silence is the price asked for “inclusion”? @DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @salm456 @cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona
(DIR) Post #9p53SrCYHHnpDexweW by ranjona@mstdn.social
2019-11-18T08:21:59Z
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@tariquesani @VivekT @DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @salm456 @cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan How can anyone deal with such rabid targeted hatred?
(DIR) Post #9p56KxnYAQMRDzCPKq by VivekT@mastodon.social
2019-11-18T08:29:09Z
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@tariquesani I really do not have an answer and I can't say "you should do this...or do that" because I am not facing the problems that you are. I too am looking for answers, which is why I put forth this topic for discussion@DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @salm456 @cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona @shinjini
(DIR) Post #9p56KyURawfjN1GfC4 by tariquesani@fosstodon.org
2019-11-18T08:37:45Z
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@VivekT Thanks for listening anyway. I have been reading how the Germans dealt with it, unfortunately there are only a few stories of individual heroism. No real answers. Most are rather apologetic pieces of how the seemingly good people all around allowed the genocide to happen and said “that part we never supported” De novo thinking is needed! The only hope is facist always fall! @DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @salm456 @cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona @shinjini
(DIR) Post #9p56Kz9D9NHXPSLDjk by shinjini@mastodon.social
2019-11-18T08:49:55Z
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@tariquesani I can empathise. I’m Hindu married to a Muslim and I’m really scared. Husband has seen many riots - in fact, we got married soon after Godhra - but this is the first time he’s worried too.Still....he’s hoping it will all somehow pass. I’ve been trying to convince him to leave the country, but he says he’s too old to move and start from scratch again.@VivekT @DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @salm456 @cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona
(DIR) Post #9p56NMpq3FizSEPq5Y by shinjini@mastodon.social
2019-11-18T08:47:13Z
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@VivekT I kind of saw it coming. NDA’s second term had been a disaster, and Modi hit the right notes on economy and corruption. I don’t remember him bringing up religion during his first campaign.I knew people wanted a change. But that they would vote BJP so overwhelmingly was a shock. @tariquesani @DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @salm456 @cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona
(DIR) Post #9p56NN8yu52MPbN7vU by tariquesani@fosstodon.org
2019-11-18T08:50:33Z
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@shinjini bigger shock for me was 2019. I could accept people wanted change and were desperate for it in 2014.@VivekT @DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @salm456 @cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona
(DIR) Post #9p5NDm1RFZ6Rtaqvdg by VivekT@mastodon.social
2019-11-18T09:34:58Z
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@shinjini I can understand the desire to leave the country and I wouldn't blame anyone who did that. However that option is not available to all 200 million plus people. Also it is not just the Muslims who having these feelings, there are millions of non Muslims who are feeling depressed as well as oppressed in the present milieu.@tariquesani @DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @salm456 @cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona
(DIR) Post #9p5NDnIqUKcZrs0LPU by shinjini@mastodon.social
2019-11-18T09:46:19Z
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@VivekT That is true. Not everyone can leave. Also no citizen should be made to feel so threatened that they would want to leave their homeland. @tariquesani @DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @salm456 @cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona
(DIR) Post #9p5NWny2F5W3QkKs9w by salm456@mastodon.social
2019-11-18T10:30:41Z
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@shinjini @VivekT @tariquesani @DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona The prominent Muslim leaders in BJP are married to Hindu women. But still they are "Hindutva Samrats" just because they are spineless. So they have problem with vocal Muslims. Stop asking questions, become blind follower of Modi, forget Muslim history of this land, that's all they want from Muslims.
(DIR) Post #9p5mvbDXHV6zyrVPEW by Deepsealioness@mastodon.social
2019-11-18T14:56:01Z
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@shinjini this, so much this, although I want to leave too as mine in inter caste marriage @VivekT @tariquesani @DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @salm456 @cprogrammer @AmitRamesan @ranjona
(DIR) Post #9p5mvcN8zGOLYx0aqe by shinjini@mastodon.social
2019-11-18T15:37:49Z
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@Deepsealioness same. But my husband refuses to leave. @VivekT @tariquesani @DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @salm456 @cprogrammer @AmitRamesan @ranjona
(DIR) Post #9p5mvdZaWTwLHpq2sq by Deepsealioness@mastodon.social
2019-11-18T16:00:59Z
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@shinjini my husband never wanted to leave India ever, in fact that was the only condition he had when we married, now he is like maybe it’s time @VivekT @tariquesani @DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @salm456 @cprogrammer @AmitRamesan @ranjona
(DIR) Post #9p5mvf5AuWnhy5cmky by rkhuria@mastodon.social
2019-11-18T16:37:52Z
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@Deepsealioness @shinjini @VivekT @tariquesani @DesCoutinho @tempearth @salm456 @cprogrammer @AmitRamesan @ranjona We need brave people in India.
(DIR) Post #9p5p11b2pbdZ9ODTt2 by KayKap@mastodon.social
2019-11-18T14:56:43Z
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@tariquesani Not to be facetious, but you tell them to please consider you dead to them and them to you and you cut the chord that binds... safer to stay sane and non threatened than to be told your loss is acceptable collateral damage; or that silence is the price you must pay.. @VivekT @DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @salm456 @cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona
(DIR) Post #9p5p14brd14iUncg52 by tariquesani@fosstodon.org
2019-11-18T15:02:52Z
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@KayKap That in my book would be surrender. I am willing to accept what is but I am not willing to surrender. Also, pray where do I go? These were more of brothers to me than my own brothers! My parents really “integrated” in the true ganga-jamuni sense. I can blame them? @VivekT @DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @salm456 @cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona
(DIR) Post #9p5p17u3NqPKi59kLg by KayKap@mastodon.social
2019-11-18T15:07:42Z
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@tariquesani Have been where U r at; I considered being alive & able to protest/put fwd my view another day as a win. Emotions are currently hyper-charged; someone will have to take the step back... imho... @VivekT @DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @salm456 @cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona
(DIR) Post #9p5p19uptuDox5XOqW by KayKap@mastodon.social
2019-11-18T15:11:51Z
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@tariquesani Sometimes a strategic retreat works wonders; allows you to calm down, think, re-devise and return stronger... understand you are feeling alienated... I am currently receiving similar vibes from some chuddy-buddies ... @VivekT @DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @salm456 @cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona
(DIR) Post #9p5p1CDhKkUw6ANUWW by tariquesani@fosstodon.org
2019-11-18T15:17:40Z
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@KayKap Well I intend to be there, in view, Stoic in my silence. I anyways rarely speak. Let’s see how it pans out. Sooner or later somebody will come for them or their children too. Thanks for your concern though. @VivekT @DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @salm456 @cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona
(DIR) Post #9p5p1EC002KMDTbA9Y by salm456@mastodon.social
2019-11-18T15:31:19Z
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@tariquesani @KayKap @VivekT @DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona Everything thats going to happen is already before us. The worst that could happen is a Hindu Rashtra. And Hindu Rashtra is more dangerous for Hindus than for Muslims. If your friends have become hateful, then just observe them closely. Because you may be having the best view of how people are being indoctrinated by hate.
(DIR) Post #9p5p1GjOYqEI5dErU8 by VivekT@mastodon.social
2019-11-18T15:51:44Z
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@salm456 I am surprised why any of the intellectuals have not pointed out that "Hindu Rashtra" is an Oxymoron. A religion which believes that superiority or inferiority depends on the accident of birth can never unite its practitioners ultimately. Divide, subdivide and rule is its Mantra. @tariquesani @KayKap @DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona
(DIR) Post #9p5p1Ie9RJDu1wnhaa by KayKap@mastodon.social
2019-11-18T15:56:39Z
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@VivekT Thing is that Hinduism isn't truly a religion; it was initially a philosophy of sorts, a guide to a more spiritual journey (or so I was taught); and it was self-doable, meaning intermediaries were not required. That angered so-called middle fellas/is and they coined rites and rituals to reach God. And thence began the classes, the dos/don'ts; 2day notion of a Hindu Rashtra.. @salm456 @tariquesani @DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona
(DIR) Post #9p5p1LQR6l2EeHPI80 by VivekT@mastodon.social
2019-11-18T16:48:59Z
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@KayKapThat is what i believe too but the Sanatanis say the Vedas are here since the beginning and the Atharvashirsha which justifies casteism is from the Rg Veda. Then Hinduism was never egalitarian. Today this theory seems to be having the most adherents. @salm456 @tariquesani @DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona
(DIR) Post #9p5p1OI2SR6HX6V7xI by cprogrammer@mastodon.social
2019-11-18T17:01:16Z
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@VivekT @KayKap @salm456 @tariquesani @DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona The Rig Vedia itself mentions twice born. There are too many instances trash and extreme tribalism. e.g. checkout the Ashwamedh Yagna. Now that the DNA evidence has come that all these came from the pastorals who migrated from the steppes, it makes sense. There are many things common between the Zen Avesta & Rig Veda, except that Asuras & Deivas interchanged.
(DIR) Post #9p5p1S2aVp7NALIqQa by AmitRamesan@mastodon.social
2019-11-18T17:03:04Z
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Timeout!!Can we please get back to discussing what we want to achieve in the next 5 years?And how?@cprogrammer @VivekT @KayKap @salm456 @tariquesani @DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @Deepsealioness @ranjona
(DIR) Post #9p5pXWFmNuu9UwlRzc by KayKap@mastodon.social
2019-11-18T16:53:26Z
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@VivekT I can only share what I was taught /has been reinforced to date. The part that you talk of was never a part of the initial Rg Veda; it was added later. Ancient Indian scriptures: the 4 Veds, the Upanishads & the Puranas. It is said there was a 5th Ved, but it was destroyed & completely lost. It is also said that 1part was tacked on to the Rg Veda and thence begat all the issues.. @salm456 @tariquesani @DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona
(DIR) Post #9p5pXXXta2zRVQFQrw by VivekT@mastodon.social
2019-11-18T16:56:19Z
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@KayKapAgreed. What I tooted is what the Sanatanis try to make me believe albeit unsuccessfully. @salm456 @tariquesani @DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona
(DIR) Post #9p5pXYWrvLlMYWm7uK by cprogrammer@mastodon.social
2019-11-18T17:18:32Z
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@VivekT @salm456 @tariquesani @DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona The sanatanis will never accept.But now we have the Rakhigarhi DNA which is rewriting the history. Try to get your hands on the Book "The Early Indians" by Tony Joseph. Meanwhile you can read thishttps://www.thehindu.com/opinion/op-ed/what-puranic-historians-wont-accept-horse-drawn-war-chariot-is-younger-than-harappan-civilisation/article29442496.ece
(DIR) Post #9p5ph6C67yu7ZXbtiq by ranjona@mstdn.social
2019-11-18T17:22:25Z
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@cprogrammer @VivekT @salm456 @tariquesani @DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan Yes, genome studies are turning old established notions on their heads. Now we can fight over which "eve" we got our mitochondrial DNA from!!
(DIR) Post #9p5pjAAmJ1u6UVyeR6 by KayKap@mastodon.social
2019-11-18T17:09:09Z
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@AmitRamesan Devising was and means of unseating Modi and correcting the course of the country... @cprogrammer @VivekT @salm456 @tariquesani @DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @Deepsealioness @ranjona
(DIR) Post #9p5pln54cNBzk1Ytfs by cprogrammer@mastodon.social
2019-11-18T17:03:57Z
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@VivekT @KayKap @salm456 @tariquesani @DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona So it is most probable that Sanskrit, Rig Veda, horse worship came from outside, somewhere from the region where Syria is.
(DIR) Post #9p5plnku6qeXpl8IsK by KayKap@mastodon.social
2019-11-18T17:08:10Z
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Eurasia is the commonly accepted origin point. European plains also had civilization extending back into the ice age... Shift into India happened when earth as we know broke into shelves... all older/ancient religions were pastoral/native... but that discussion for another day... ..@cprogrammer @VivekT @salm456 @tariquesani @DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona
(DIR) Post #9p5ptqN4Gj5EGKooV6 by ranjona@mstdn.social
2019-11-18T17:24:41Z
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@cprogrammer @VivekT @KayKap @salm456 @tariquesani @DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan More like Central Asia. Anyone i always recommend that Bhakts read Kosambi. Just for the fun of watching their brains explode.
(DIR) Post #9p5pzjD5o0yrn5xV7w by KayKap@mastodon.social
2019-11-18T17:25:20Z
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@ranjona You are wicked! Good Wicked, but...!
(DIR) Post #9p5pzjaqNhymyl4T9E by ranjona@mstdn.social
2019-11-18T17:25:47Z
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@KayKap 😇😂
(DIR) Post #9p5qLxbswpb0p29l5M by cprogrammer@mastodon.social
2019-11-18T17:26:42Z
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@ranjona @VivekT @salm456 @tariquesani @DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan Yes Ranjona. This is the guy David Reich who along with Vasant Shinde & many others did the study.What the study has proved that the original settlers were the Hunter gatherers & Peaceful Iranian Settlers who formed the IVC. Vedas came much much laterhttps://www.sciencemag.org/news/2019/09/genome-nearly-5000-year-old-woman-links-modern-indians-ancient-civilization
(DIR) Post #9p5qbb30bQ3TTlIbOS by rkhuria@mastodon.social
2019-11-18T17:27:22Z
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@ranjona @cprogrammer @VivekT @salm456 @tariquesani @DesCoutinho @tempearth @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan Is there anything conclusive one can read on Aryan Invasion Theory, that Bhakts so stoutly deny?
(DIR) Post #9p5qbbewKOOdNP2tW4 by ranjona@mstdn.social
2019-11-18T17:32:38Z
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@rkhuria @cprogrammer @VivekT @salm456 @tariquesani @DesCoutinho @tempearth @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan As someone mentioned here, Tony Joseph's Early Indians is a good place to start. Also reports on the human genome project in various science journals. Including work done by the molecular research lab in Hyderabad.
(DIR) Post #9p5qnF8dszYr0JUIPg by ranjona@mstdn.social
2019-11-18T17:34:44Z
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@rkhuria @cprogrammer @VivekT @salm456 @tariquesani @DesCoutinho @tempearth @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan Not that the Bhakts will be impressed by science. They have Vedic spacecraft and whatnot, after all!!
(DIR) Post #9p5qsgbLCtkzcuVTQu by cprogrammer@mastodon.social
2019-11-18T17:35:15Z
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@ranjona @rkhuria @VivekT @salm456 @tariquesani @DesCoutinho @tempearth @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan For those who are interested, here is the link to the research paper. It has been peer reviewed and now more or less the accepted fact. Tony Joseph's book heavily borrows from this paperhttps://www.biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/early/2018/03/31/292581.full.pdf
(DIR) Post #9p6czsnB4k23GMXZUO by tariquesani@fosstodon.org
2019-11-19T02:06:10Z
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@ranjona oh yes! My son got it done out of curiosity and turns out he has European genes from his mothers side with a couple of 4/5th degree living cousins in Netherlands. Left us wondering as to what might have happened there... 😳 It’s interesting! @cprogrammer @VivekT @salm456 @DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan
(DIR) Post #9p6d5sZumeSWKxCESm by ranjona@mstdn.social
2019-11-19T02:35:54Z
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@tariquesani @cprogrammer @VivekT @salm456 @DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan Maybe we'll realise there is one human race...
(DIR) Post #9p6dATtxxSq9Ffllmi by cprogrammer@mastodon.social
2019-11-18T17:39:55Z
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@ranjona @rkhuria @VivekT @salm456 @tariquesani @DesCoutinho @tempearth @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan Bhakts will not like it because it makes Sanskrit, Vedas foreign and not indigenous. In fact, they tried planting a malicious article that the Rakigarhi DNA proves Aryan invasion never took place. Here is that articlehttps://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/rakhigarhi-dna-study-questions-aryan-invasion-theory-claims-author/articleshow/71001985.cms
(DIR) Post #9p6dOCIqBdnCixwdZA by ranjona@mstdn.social
2019-11-19T02:39:15Z
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@cprogrammer @rkhuria @VivekT @salm456 @tariquesani @DesCoutinho @tempearth @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan Of course, what we don't want to talk about our the migrations out of Africa. And that's the story of the whole planet!! Plus, heh heh, our close proximity to fruit flies. So much for caste superiority!!!
(DIR) Post #9p6lJLg6hYr3zE1gzQ by nawedbelagam@mastodon.social
2019-11-18T15:37:22Z
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@salm456 @tariquesani @KayKap @VivekT @DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona I still don't think that Hindu rashtra will happen. Yes Muslims specifically and other minorities generally will be suppressed more and more. No hate situation can go on for long.
(DIR) Post #9p6lJMDQhfVfeZcIvg by salm456@mastodon.social
2019-11-18T16:41:25Z
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@nawedbelagam @tariquesani @KayKap @VivekT @DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @cprogrammer @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan @ranjona The hate for secularism itself is the foundation of Hindu Rashtra. India may become Hindu Rashtra, but it cant survive as a Hindu State.
(DIR) Post #9p6lJNgXEwNyD8F3w0 by NSure@mastodon.social
2019-11-19T03:26:26Z
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@salm456 @nawedbelagam @tariquesani @KayKap @VivekT @DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @cprogrammer @AmitRamesan @ranjona Somebody pls tell me 3 - ok 2, alright, 1 benefit of being a hindu rashtra. Are we that fucking big, to go it alone in a world where we'd be jokers with our cows & cloud & radar, with a rapidly regressing economy???Why does the bjpee want to inflict this humiliation on itself and us???
(DIR) Post #9p6lJOOqaBpaQYyS0G by cprogrammer@mastodon.social
2019-11-19T03:43:39Z
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@NSure @salm456 @nawedbelagam @tariquesani @KayKap @VivekT @DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @AmitRamesan @ranjona Why the BJP is donig this? Because we are a nation of superstitious morons and we fall for it. Do you remember this when the entire nation, including Tamil Nadu fell for 'Ganesha Drinking Milk' Miracle?https://www.bbc.com/news/av/magazine-38301718/the-milk-miracle-that-brought-india-to-a-standstill
(DIR) Post #9p6lJPT8birDk9zOKW by nawedbelagam@mastodon.social
2019-11-19T03:48:26Z
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@cprogrammer @NSure @salm456 @tariquesani @KayKap @VivekT @DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @AmitRamesan @ranjona Very true. We don't understand the basics of religion and depend on clergy to tell us what is what and that leads to superstition. It is prevalent among Muslims too.
(DIR) Post #9p6lJQfw7cgnU8z7uy by NSure@mastodon.social
2019-11-19T04:06:39Z
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@nawedbelagam @cprogrammer @salm456 @tariquesani @KayKap @VivekT @DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @AmitRamesan @ranjona True, Nawedbhai... ultimately, religion has ended up dividing man, dividing land, dividing minds... There is a Malayalam film song - KJ Yesudas won his first National Award for it, if I remember - which says,"Man created Religions. Religions created Gods and Devils. Religion"s, Gods and Devils together divided the land. Shared human minds..."
(DIR) Post #9p6lXhEDNLMksRoz4q by ranjona@mstdn.social
2019-11-19T04:10:35Z
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@NSure @nawedbelagam @cprogrammer @salm456 @tariquesani @KayKap @VivekT @DesCoutinho @rkhuria @tempearth @AmitRamesan Interesting as this discussion is, I don't think history and facts are going to make a difference to rightwing politics. Religion is always open to question because it's based on belief. We need to stress and fight for the importance of democracy where our differences don't matter. Otherwise, there's no hope.
(DIR) Post #9p7fOdsW3Xm5JXvo0G by cprogrammer@mastodon.social
2019-11-19T03:53:31Z
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@ranjona @rkhuria @VivekT @salm456 @tariquesani @DesCoutinho @tempearth @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesanKeezhadi - Tamil Nadu : Artifacts dated to 583 BC hint at script continuity from Indus Valley CivilizationThis could be the moment that could rewrite the entire history of India.https://www.thenewsminute.com/article/major-discovery-tamil-nadu-s-keezhadi-possible-link-indus-valley-civilisation-109165
(DIR) Post #9p8maw1DKY5Zt5lhL6 by tamil1947@mastodon.social
2019-11-19T16:00:24Z
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@cprogrammer @ranjona @rkhuria @VivekT @salm456 @tariquesani @DesCoutinho @tempearth @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan Comically, conveniently and selfishly the same lot were attempting to identify self with European branch when Euro hegemony was in vogue.
(DIR) Post #9p8mawYBLySbXLC1j6 by VivekT@mastodon.social
2019-11-19T16:07:26Z
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@tamil1947To be frank where we came from is not what bothers me as much as where we have arrived now...and am trying to figure out the how and why of it. @cprogrammer @ranjona @rkhuria @salm456 @tariquesani @DesCoutinho @tempearth @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan
(DIR) Post #9p8maxWRjufMYFO9ey by tamil1947@mastodon.social
2019-11-19T18:28:54Z
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@VivekT @cprogrammer @ranjona @rkhuria @salm456 @tariquesani @DesCoutinho @tempearth @Deepsealioness @AmitRamesan That's how all of us transparent-minded have been doing. But, the supremacist wolves have been exploiting us socially, materially, ethnically with soins, myths, manus & other manipulations & psy-ops. Now we have to plant our feet deep in past & present, to retrieve future from cunning caspian fascists. Especially since 2014.