Post 9oz2NQZcaR16HeqOK8 by SabinaBasha@mastodon.social
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(DIR) Post #9oxDnlYRud8c438alU by ranjona@mstdn.social
2019-11-14T02:55:39Z
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I used to differentiate between Hindutva and Hindu but i don't think i shall bother any more. If Hindus don't believe in RSS fundamentalism and bigotry, they should stand up and say so.
(DIR) Post #9oxElh6xYt8Besr6pM by anuragsingh@mstdn.social
2019-11-14T13:50:49Z
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@ranjona I think Hindus are very disorganised community. All established Hindu religious organization are propped up by Hindutva gang so expecting organized resistance from any Hindu institution is futile.
(DIR) Post #9oyKi4u1xQFDAfQWsi by SabinaBasha@mastodon.social
2019-11-14T04:31:16Z
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@ranjona Agree. Many of the ones who do not believe in harcore Hindutva are deeply Islamophobic, believe that India is a Hindu country and Babri needed to be broken . Seems they want to keep the liberal tag. More dishonest than Hindutva supporters.
(DIR) Post #9oyKi5KyLFnMWE22sK by RaghunathR@mastodon.social
2019-11-14T20:55:47Z
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@SabinaBasha @ranjona any person sufficiently influenced by religion (any religion) cannot help harboring phobia (and bigotry) against other religions. That's the nature of religions, no matter what benign readings one professes publicly of their own religious text
(DIR) Post #9oyKi5qWRx2464nF3I by RaghunathR@mastodon.social
2019-11-14T20:58:55Z
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@SabinaBasha @ranjona that said, context is of course everything. In India, the problem seems disproportionally among Hindus who are increasingly being unmasked for their visceral hatred for all minorities.
(DIR) Post #9oz2NQEhqCHpEn3giu by SabinaBasha@mastodon.social
2019-11-15T03:14:28Z
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@RaghunathR @ranjona Disagree strongly here. One can be perfectly religious, practising their own religion and without hatred . So many stories, Sikhs helping Rohingyas, take the song "Man tadpat Hari Darshan ko aaj".
(DIR) Post #9oz2NQOHGbwViTXKds by RaghunathR@mastodon.social
2019-11-15T03:42:52Z
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@SabinaBasha @ranjona sure... My opinion is that to the extent that religious people expand their morality to help others selflessly, they do that by ignoring unsavory parts of their religion and being nominal believers. So in that sense they may culturally identify themselves with their religion while not subscribing to the hateful tenets in the religion they were born to.
(DIR) Post #9oz2NQZcaR16HeqOK8 by SabinaBasha@mastodon.social
2019-11-15T04:02:13Z
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@RaghunathR @ranjona Beg to differ. They are not nominal Sikhs or Muslims - they are practicing, deeply religious people who shun the bad things in the religion. Just, they do not hate.
(DIR) Post #9oz2NQjXzWxMmRUJnM by RaghunathR@mastodon.social
2019-11-15T04:07:18Z
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@SabinaBasha @ranjona I guess we will have to agree to disagree then. Deeply religious and humanism are inherently incompatible in my mind.
(DIR) Post #9oz2TjguQAAhJUGET2 by ranjona@mstdn.social
2019-11-15T10:42:41Z
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@SabinaBasha @RaghunathR in today's world, Rafi singing Man tadpat... would be an anomaly.
(DIR) Post #9oz2eDwIoUhg1SShhg by ranjona@mstdn.social
2019-11-15T10:44:34Z
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@RaghunathR i have to agree with you. Sorry,@SabinaBasha but all too often belief and empathy become disconnected. As Betrand Russell would say, morality trumps ethics for most believers.
(DIR) Post #9oz2eojU17Qy8PkUMK by SabinaBasha@mastodon.social
2019-11-15T04:27:34Z
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@RaghunathR @ranjona Sure.
(DIR) Post #9oz2fglT7x6liD5px2 by ManojGramath@mastodon.social
2019-11-15T04:42:19Z
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@SabinaBasha @RaghunathR @ranjona If I may add to the confusion here 🙂 There is something fundamentally wrong with the idea that you can practice your own religion deeply worshipping your one and only true god and at the same time love people who worship their other true gods. The nice Hindi song and the anecdotal Sikh-Rohingya or Christian-Parsee love apart, one has to be able to recognize the cognitive dissonance in that position.
(DIR) Post #9oz2jXjGfAMCqatxCa by SabinaBasha@mastodon.social
2019-11-15T04:46:22Z
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@ManojGramath @RaghunathR @ranjona That is your view, bigoted, imo. You are entitled to it. And I do not want your hatred & sarcasm on my TL.
(DIR) Post #9oz2jYddHbRZfPGy3c by ManojGramath@mastodon.social
2019-11-15T05:00:06Z
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@SabinaBasha @RaghunathR @ranjona Sarcasm is you perception when you can't deal with the hipocrisy in your position and hatred is you shooing me off your TL. I have dim opinion of Hindutva and Hindus (no real difference between the two when you look at the core of Varnashrama based homophobia). But that doesn't mean other religions don't have there vices.
(DIR) Post #9oz2jZjLDrbX3Ox2au by ManojGramath@mastodon.social
2019-11-15T05:01:26Z
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@SabinaBasha @RaghunathR @ranjona That the oppressed minority anywhere needs to be supported irrespective of religion should be the liberal position. Not being able to recognize the vices that drives religion, when it is your own religion -that is bigotry.
(DIR) Post #9oz5Sxj73FWgPtc9HU by NSure@mastodon.social
2019-11-15T10:54:39Z
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@ManojGramath @SabinaBasha @RaghunathR @ranjona Not at all, I feel!!Your favourite music genre might be Pop, mine could be Carnatic. We do not need to come to blows on it, do we!!
(DIR) Post #9ozGY9RtzhUziVF0eO by SabinaBasha@mastodon.social
2019-11-15T05:04:33Z
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@ManojGramath @RaghunathR @ranjona Again, your view, you are entitled. Not going to argue with people who are clearly bigoted.
(DIR) Post #9ozGY9tCMDKj5A0oCG by ManojGramath@mastodon.social
2019-11-15T05:07:02Z
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@SabinaBasha @RaghunathR @ranjona Thanks for recognizing my entitlements and the name calling.Take care
(DIR) Post #9ozGYAHIuacEHvI3lo by anupverma@mstdn.social
2019-11-15T13:20:05Z
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@ManojGramath @SabinaBasha @RaghunathR @ranjona I think we can find deeply religious people who understand the importance of other religions and we can also find deeply religious people who don't. And you both are right in describing these two types of people. 🙂
(DIR) Post #9ozdSdGgVqB9PJKcLY by ManojGramath@mastodon.social
2019-11-15T12:30:54Z
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@NSure @SabinaBasha @RaghunathR @ranjona Oh I wish it were as benign and easy as moving from Classic Rock to HipHop. Unfortunately religion is an ugly beast that has fangs and doesn't compare in any respect with musical taste. Almost all of of us are indoctrinated into the religion of our parents in childhood and most of us get to our graves locked under its grip of fear and desire. So simple it is not to change and naive it is to expect that religions are benign to each other.
(DIR) Post #9ozdSdbFHOcqR4x2OW by NSure@mastodon.social
2019-11-15T13:21:12Z
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@ManojGramath @SabinaBasha @RaghunathR @ranjona Yes, I agree... I wonder if all humans would unite across caste, creed, nationality & economic strata, if there was an alien invasion... I wish I could say Yes...
(DIR) Post #9ozdSdxDxgCrXFEaeW by ranjona@mstdn.social
2019-11-15T17:37:04Z
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@NSure @ManojGramath @SabinaBasha @RaghunathR You know what would happen. Some humans would try to make friends. Some would fight. And some would tie up with the aliens to get back at each other. If the aliens had any sense they would make a deal with mosquitoes or viruses!!
(DIR) Post #9ozeM2opDXVMZuisxU by BhavanaVarun@mstdn.social
2019-11-15T17:47:04Z
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@ranjona I am all here for the #sciencefiction. Tell me, there is more. 😁
(DIR) Post #9ozeh2afGHnrx26xeK by kushal@toots.dgplug.org
2019-11-15T17:48:03Z
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@BhavanaVarun @ranjona #sciencefiction is the reason my managed to go through my childhood without much damage to myself.
(DIR) Post #9ozeh2t69kY4sCjgNk by BhavanaVarun@mstdn.social
2019-11-15T17:50:50Z
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@kushal @ranjona woah! any unforgettable scfi stories?
(DIR) Post #9ozewDQFGravtDTQYK by NSure@mastodon.social
2019-11-15T17:41:56Z
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@ranjona @ManojGramath @SabinaBasha @RaghunathR I think that is the best answer here!! If i had a trophy, I'd award it to you Ranjona! 😁
(DIR) Post #9ozexxNpsFq4j1B1n6 by ranjona@mstdn.social
2019-11-15T17:53:52Z
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@NSure @ManojGramath @SabinaBasha @RaghunathR 😜🙏
(DIR) Post #9ozfBodTC9kPeG68v2 by ranjona@mstdn.social
2019-11-15T17:56:25Z
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@BhavanaVarun @kushal Ray Bradbury, Kurt Vonnegut, apart from the Big Two of Asimov-Clark.And Doctor Who!!
(DIR) Post #9ozfOiY98KpqXPlBgm by kushal@toots.dgplug.org
2019-11-15T17:58:29Z
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@BhavanaVarun @ranjona Professor Sonku by Satyajit Ray, Jules Verne were the most important in my life
(DIR) Post #9ozgDclOPGffMQEKUy by BhavanaVarun@mstdn.social
2019-11-15T18:07:55Z
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@ranjona @kushal I, Robot, the collection of short stories by Isaac Asimov is my favourite which talks about humanity’s complex relationship with its own creations. Apart from that, Contact by Carl Sagan, Orwell's Nineteen Eighty-Four and Huxley's Brave New World.
(DIR) Post #9ozgVSKhvQUWDwFdSK by BhavanaVarun@mstdn.social
2019-11-15T18:11:00Z
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@kushal @ranjona Yes! Journey to the Center of the Earth & The Time Machine are forever classics. Ray's work is seminal too, though I haven't had an opportunity to read it yet. Would surely look for translations.
(DIR) Post #9ozgXl53C3w2wn1ePA by kushal@toots.dgplug.org
2019-11-15T17:59:24Z
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@BhavanaVarun @ranjona my previous blogging engine was named Shonku, it was my tribute
(DIR) Post #9ozgXlOu0FoZwMJVLc by BhavanaVarun@mstdn.social
2019-11-15T18:11:30Z
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@kushal @ranjona that's so nice! 💜
(DIR) Post #9ozghjVft6R8yKEdhg by kushal@toots.dgplug.org
2019-11-15T18:11:37Z
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@BhavanaVarun @ranjona there is a full English version available iirc
(DIR) Post #9ozghjn2qWKbqCMVmK by BhavanaVarun@mstdn.social
2019-11-15T18:13:16Z
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@kushal @ranjona really? Share the link if you find it.
(DIR) Post #9ozhTwIvcbFiYMGAJU by BhavanaVarun@mstdn.social
2019-11-15T18:22:05Z
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@NSure @ManojGramath @SabinaBasha @RaghunathR @ranjona Let's assume that the ones sitting in power are Aliens! Oppressors don't believe in humanity and the way they don't treat, humans like humans, we might assume that they aren't humans at all. May be then, we can unite to fight these divisive forces, considering they are Aliens! Religion, caste, gender, race, nationality won't be a deterrent. 😁😂
(DIR) Post #9ozhtuxhEeUrv1iSNk by ashwin_baindur@mastodon.social
2019-11-15T18:23:05Z
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@BhavanaVarun @ranjona @kushal I prefer Philip K. Dick's works which have become such exceptional movies as Blade Runner, Minority Report, Paycheck, etc. For military space opera books, Old Man's War & for sheer fun, the recent Janitors of the Post-Apocalypse. As of classic sci fi, in movies Gattaca best describes the human dystopic condition.
(DIR) Post #9ozhtvM9li3x8t9zVY by ashwin_baindur@mastodon.social
2019-11-15T18:23:16Z
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@BhavanaVarun @ranjona @kushal As far as TV series, The Expanse is unbeatable, followed by Battlestar Galactica. For sheer cult loyalty, Mal and gang in Firefly. For Galactic horror, Event Horizon. For breaking new ground: Interstellar.
(DIR) Post #9ozhtvqzv2jUgXaca0 by BhavanaVarun@mstdn.social
2019-11-15T18:26:48Z
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@ashwin_baindur @ranjona @kushal Woah! All these recommendations. Thank you so much. Will surely check these out. 😊
(DIR) Post #9ozikXfmYNz72NQiye by bull500@mastodon.social
2019-11-15T18:31:42Z
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@BhavanaVarun @ashwin_baindur @ranjona @kushal will add Prey by Michael Crichton(creator of jurassic park). If you like Sci fi you'll love his works.
(DIR) Post #9ozikYC2cRmyeQWUG8 by BhavanaVarun@mstdn.social
2019-11-15T18:36:17Z
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@bull500 @ashwin_baindur @ranjona @kushal Yes! We can add here. Any recommendations on modern scifi
(DIR) Post #9ozjxUP87KpYcQNXge by bull500@mastodon.social
2019-11-15T18:47:48Z
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@BhavanaVarun @ashwin_baindur @ranjona @kushal recent one I liked was what the movie arrival was based on.Story of your life by Ted Chiang.Movie is awesome as well!And not a book but highly recommend Predestination(it's slow worth it and don't let anyone spoil it for you) and Ex Machina
(DIR) Post #9ozk36NkLQV1quPLqS by BhavanaVarun@mstdn.social
2019-11-15T18:50:52Z
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@bull500 would check them. interesting! thank you 😊
(DIR) Post #9p0Q0IHxoc3vzE2xH6 by orphean_warbler@mastodon.social
2019-11-15T18:22:30Z
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@ManojGramath @NSure @SabinaBasha @RaghunathR @ranjona The Point here is ,, how do you feel about this yourself, that's the point. Let's talk about ourselves first. How do you feel when the Azaan of a Mosque at a prayer time reaches you? That's the point
(DIR) Post #9p0Q0Ijy8USpO59JvU by ManojGramath@mastodon.social
2019-11-15T18:50:47Z
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@orphean_warbler @NSure @SabinaBasha @RaghunathR @ranjona Usually it is melodious and sweet. And my preference for Arabic music helps. Some times I like temple music and church choir as well but they tend to be longer. But the fact that all of them are a public nuisance goes without saying. But that really is not the point right?How religions react to each other is what matters. Fundamentally when gods of the religions are at each other's throats prayers not going to be pleasant
(DIR) Post #9p0Q0J5ErPTgS36J4y by ranjona@mstdn.social
2019-11-16T02:40:59Z
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@ManojGramath @orphean_warbler @NSure @SabinaBasha @RaghunathR This "loud music" complaint re: religion however is a bit disingenuous. Wedding? Loud music beyond time limits. Party? Loud music.Event? Loud music. We are just a raucous people with little civic sense or sensibility! Mosque loudspeakers a convenient stick!
(DIR) Post #9p0Q2kAR8OMD1th5e4 by RaghunathR@mastodon.social
2019-11-15T18:36:11Z
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@ranjona Exactly... Thanks...🙏 As I once heard somewhere, for every "reason" that religion provides for doing good in the world, there are better more secular reasons to do the same, without the risk of it being freighted with superstition and hate. Morality of people is in spite of their religion, for the most part, not because of it. That's my view at least
(DIR) Post #9p0WKPqG2ffIve47RQ by ManojGramath@mastodon.social
2019-11-16T03:19:57Z
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@ranjona @orphean_warbler @NSure @SabinaBasha @RaghunathR Some of us may be raucous others might not be. So whether everyone must put up with it is a question worth debating.But that apart I find the mosque prayers over loudspeakers less of a problem than temples using loudspeakers to blare out temple music. This is just because the duration is shorter. You can just wait for it to end soon and the get back to whatever you were doing. Whereas temple music goes for hours together.
(DIR) Post #9p0WKQFmVm58Co0VE0 by ranjona@mstdn.social
2019-11-16T03:51:50Z
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@ManojGramath @orphean_warbler @NSure @SabinaBasha @RaghunathR The main problem with the common complaint that mosque music is disruptive is that when anyone else does it, "you are anti-Hindu, trampling on my rights, sentiment of the people blah blah". Majoritarianism in other words. Even the Supreme Court fell for it!
(DIR) Post #9p0d4SKBk7d3ftOzPk by bull500@mastodon.social
2019-11-15T18:53:19Z
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@BhavanaVarun Please do let your mind explode on a Toot thread after Predestination and Ex machina if you have time to do so!!! 😅😅😄😄
(DIR) Post #9p0d4Stzb0GjSw9aDo by BhavanaVarun@mstdn.social
2019-11-16T05:07:24Z
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@bull500 Absolutely! I would share about it, once I finish reading. 😁