Post 9oQrPCMVBCuzoMkaAK by abbenm@mastodon.social
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(DIR) Post #9oQnxDJbk4aGnUMREW by kemonine@social.holdmybeer.solutions
2019-10-29T22:19:45.020901Z
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definitely mostly settled into the new phoneI have very few things left to test/finalize and it's all tertiary stuff that's not required for daily driver status.Thank you OnePlus, you were awesome and I'll buy again.The Doogee S90 is the a solid rugged phone with the update problem that comes with low quantity hardware but otherwise the traditional trade offs for performance/price/etc are gone.When the lack of updates for the S90 becomes a concern I'll hopefully have enough for another OnePlus device on the used market. OnePlus is definitely my preferred OEM these days but didn't meet the rugged phone requirement I have at the moment.
(DIR) Post #9oQo9NP044uXYYgOJs by thegibson@hackers.town
2019-10-29T22:21:23Z
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@kemonine That is a slick system... I'll be interested in the long term review.
(DIR) Post #9oQoRQZf0hKQbfHCnA by kemonine@social.holdmybeer.solutions
2019-10-29T22:25:13.496688Z
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@thegibson I track Doogee as the "gold standard" for rugged phones. They've managed to eclipse Sonim and Cat for me in recent years. ALL rugged phones suffer the "no updates 4 you" problem so... keep that in mind.If updates (*cough*security*cogh*) are your thing then definitely put eyes on OnePlus and Sony (the QUALCOM Sony's!!!). Sony is my SO's preference and I prefer OnePlus. BOTH update the shit out of their qualcomm devices for YEARS and the hardware is solid and usually built off one of the good Qualcomm reference designs.Doogee for the mountains and camping.OnePlus/Sony for EDC IMHOAlso: swappa.com -- since Sony and OnePlus do regular hardware refreshes that are flagships you can buy 1 or 2 models back on the used market and get a mid-high-teir phone for half of the original MSRP and usually ~$100 below buying straight from the OEM.
(DIR) Post #9oQof1vRRyeCDKx0HQ by abbenm@mastodon.social
2019-10-29T22:24:49Z
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@kemonine oh, the doogee! I got one of those for my brother for christmas and it was an awesome phone for the money
(DIR) Post #9oQot3hLekJRlZ326C by kemonine@social.holdmybeer.solutions
2019-10-29T22:30:12.876845Z
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@abbenm yep!this is my 2nd doogee.I got the s55 for an international trip where i needed something rugged and it was top notchmy posts lately are about the s90 i bought to replace my one plus 3t which was showing it's age badlyI try to keep a rugged phone on-hand at all times and wanted to see how the "global modem" in the s90 worked out... it does what I hoped for modem wise and i can safely recommend doogee (buy from bangood, NOT direct though) as a rugged phone option to some of my friends.of all the rugged phones ive had (a LOT over the years) the doogee is the right balancemy ONLY real gripe is the lack of software updates but that's due to the way mediatek handles their rom sdk licencing for support and how the downstream oem's handle some stuff in reaction to mediatek's stupid
(DIR) Post #9oQpEywvzZH3PRnAZM by abbenm@mastodon.social
2019-10-29T22:33:16Z
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@kemonine I got doogee from DealExtreme at a time when they were verry prominently and proudly displayed on the site. In terms of best hardware per dollar Doogee is hard to beat. In terms of software updates, I wonder if rooting is feasible there? Though I suppose a phone sufficienctly outside of the mainstream to be lacking in software updates is ALSO likely to lack in support for rooting + roms
(DIR) Post #9oQpJ4wLf3jB9BTHv6 by kemonine@social.holdmybeer.solutions
2019-10-29T22:34:55.928956Z
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@abbenm hehemagisk worked flawless on my s55doogee has their stock firmwares available on their support forums including the mtk flash tooldownload firmware, install magisk, patch boot image, oem unlock, flash patched boot image, reboot with root😉
(DIR) Post #9oQphfw3lUcopu45h2 by abbenm@mastodon.social
2019-10-29T22:39:01Z
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@kemonine awesome!I wish I was deeper into the rooting phones world, but I've hesitated to root things just because basically every tutorial I've ever seen, even the "root from linux!" ones seem to eventually require firing up a windows PC for some part of the process.
(DIR) Post #9oQpzf0tvo0lBnuCXY by kemonine@social.holdmybeer.solutions
2019-10-29T22:42:37.038016Z
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@abbenm most of those sites are crap and/or re-branding real instructions from places like xda-developersthe whole "flash a custom thingy to your phone" world is a mess and hinges on a LOT of community knowledge gleaned from screw ups and creative approachesthankfully magisk's patched boot.img can be flashed with fastboot which has a linux binary (the android sdk command line tools are cross platform which include fastboot)it also doesn't help historically the android rom scene has been a toxic dumpster fire from hell and isn't always the most welcoming or approachable set of communitiesif you can live with out root (i do these days) i'd say don't bother.the ONLY thing i've ever gained from root in the last ~5 years was titantium backup and 6 years ago i stopped rooting my phone and got used to not having system level backups of my stuff. once i adjusted to that... i've not seen a reason to root my phonelineage os + opengapps? yeah, that makes sense when my phone doesn't get updates and is common enough to have a maintainer of lineage for it but otherwise? yeah, no
(DIR) Post #9oQq5jKkmXIuKG5Mga by kemonine@social.holdmybeer.solutions
2019-10-29T22:43:43.006430Z
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@abbenm some additional context:i'm a former xda recognized developer and my rom work from the ice cream sandwhich / jelly bean days was featured on their news page twice since i was porting cyanogen (now lineage os) to rugged phones at that time
(DIR) Post #9oQqVRCMpZirbqQAuu by abbenm@mastodon.social
2019-10-29T22:46:53Z
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@kemonine I think my use cases for potential rooting are (1) just knowing how to do it and turning any past-its-life android phone of mine into my version of a raspberry pi, (2) instinctive distrust of hardware from chinese manufacturers, (3) I've had issues remotely connecting to an internet-connected android phone, opening ports on them and whatnot that *seem* like they would be easier to resolve on a rooted device.I DO take your point though about life being short and not bothering
(DIR) Post #9oQqeG4pY9iBis6Nc0 by kemonine@social.holdmybeer.solutions
2019-10-29T22:49:57.251247Z
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@abbenm Given the raspberry pi costs under $100 the time/value of money easily kicks in IMHOIf you want to root a device and tinker I'd recommend a OnePlus or Pixel/Nexus device. Both sets will let you do all kinds of cool shit and are much more accessible.If you troll swappa.com you'll usually be able to find one of their various models for super cheap and can turn it into a mini-server with some of the apps from the app store that specialize in turning a phone into a command line / server / etc.
(DIR) Post #9oQqtwLmf0onAvVdz6 by kemonine@social.holdmybeer.solutions
2019-10-29T22:52:46.746544Z
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@abbenm Also take a look at TWRP, LineageOS and whatever LineageOS recommends for getting play services going. Those 3 pieces go a long way for turning older phones into more useful phones that can be turned into servers.xda-developers for the nexux, pixel and one plus devices is also handy for reference information that's less junky than the "now boot windows and run this random binary we have on our site that likely has a virus embedded in it"
(DIR) Post #9oQquytgg1xvMbrciO by abbenm@mastodon.social
2019-10-29T22:52:38Z
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@kemonine Cool! I currently have a cheap walmart phone that goes by the brand of "BLU" but I have great respect for old Nexus phones.I've got a version of the Servers Ultimate app plus all the extensions that I got from the Amazon App Store, back when they did their "Actually Free(TM)" program. But my issue is being able to successfully remotely connect to the server that's running on the BLU phone. And I'm fuzzy on next steps but it SEEMS like rooting would make it easier.
(DIR) Post #9oQr2QXgI8sJ897ZYW by kemonine@social.holdmybeer.solutions
2019-10-29T22:54:19.326201Z
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@abbenm You'd likely have to root to tweak the iptables rules / firewall rules that are goign to be baked in at a much lower level of android you'd get access to w/o root.And I'm famililar with BLU. They are a common "walmart phone" as you put it. Not the best but certainly good enough for a lot of situations.I'd definitely advise NOT screwing around with the BLU's. Every time I encountered them when I was in the mobile industry my keyboard screamed in pain.
(DIR) Post #9oQr2nZafD4IYjBvE0 by abbenm@mastodon.social
2019-10-29T22:53:37Z
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@kemonine Anyway, I haven't thought about my hobbies/interests/chores in terms of the time/value of money framework and I really should be emphasizing that a bit more in how I spend my energies, and in a strange way THAT may be the helpful lesson I get from fiddling with my silly BLU phone
(DIR) Post #9oQrHS4qrnamEcni0u by kemonine@social.holdmybeer.solutions
2019-10-29T22:57:02.224858Z
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@abbenm Not a bad take away....that and i think the pine phone (as others have pointed out in my mentions today) might be a good start for a happy hacker phone kinda thingevery time i loop around to the pine phone vs all the ohters i realize they are definitely going to pull something off, even if it's a happy hacker phone for the time beingbased on what i've seen of their other hardware i'd definitely recommend keeping an eye on pine if you canand/or some of the ohter arm boards that are meant to be raspberry pi alternatives ; i know orange pi has an interesting board with an lte modem on itand you can get some cool modems from quectel that can be setup in a usb adapter to add cell internet to a linux box running modem manager and similar toolsi've actually got a raspberry pi 4 + quectel ec25 running openwrt on my desk right now...
(DIR) Post #9oQrN88Zupj287Fegy by kemonine@social.holdmybeer.solutions
2019-10-29T22:58:04.376957Z
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@abbenm some additional musings on this particular topic that i've posted elsewherehttps://git.lollipopcloud.solutions/lollipop-cloud/docs/src/branch/master/armbian/modem_manager.mdhttps://git.lollipopcloud.solutions/lollipop-cloud/docs/src/branch/master/hardware/quectel_ec25.md
(DIR) Post #9oQrPCMVBCuzoMkaAK by abbenm@mastodon.social
2019-10-29T22:57:54Z
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@kemonine good to know with BLUs. Right now I'm using one effectively as my wifi router.This whole train of thought started for me because I just paid for a month of a vultr VPS and saw that I connected to it remotely via an IP, without a registered domain name, and was like, "wait, I could just do this from an internet-connected phone"So a cheap alternative to a VPS is my end-game, I guess, but I'd like to go about it in a way that passes a sanity check in terms of time/effort invested haha
(DIR) Post #9oQrZk7uUxqFQUxADg by kemonine@social.holdmybeer.solutions
2019-10-29T23:00:20.517156Z
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@abbenm definitely see my more recent reply 😉 i'd recommend one of the cheaper orange pi boards or a pine board plus a quectel modem in a usb boxit'll be a little more costly hardware wise (cell modems aren't cheap) but it can get you off the ground in an open souce / open hardware kind of way pretty nicelythe pine phone would also be a good contender but i'm not sure where that's at for purchase and readiness. i know lots of folks have been running raspberry pi 3's with various cell modems for awhile now. openwrt has a release for the raspberry pi 3's and some packages in the repos for cell modems (i actually need to submit a patch for a development package thinking of that...)
(DIR) Post #9oQrmv0jLIXswosSxM by abbenm@mastodon.social
2019-10-29T23:02:22Z
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@kemonine Thanks. I guess the only missing piece to the puzzle is if (if!!!) there exists a convenient way to be an internet-connected IP that isn't through a major cell network from one of the major evil carriers.
(DIR) Post #9oQs3guf0ldk9A2Isq by kemonine@social.holdmybeer.solutions
2019-10-29T23:05:44.865763Z
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@abbenm dynamic dnsif you get a domain from ghandi, namecheap, cloudflare, etc they usually have some kind of dynamic dns option that you can setup with openwrt / debian / etc that'll let you keep the dns records up to date and point back to your cell IPor you can setup a free teir vps somewhere that is basically just a proxy via vpn back to your cell connected serverthe trouble with a cell based device is persistence, dyanmic dns is "easiest" as it's a simple service that auto updates over time but you run into any network level port limits the isp imposes ; with a vps as the head of the server you get a persistent point of precense but it can cost money and/or additional headaches as it'll be pointed back to the cell based device in some fashion (i recommend vpn as it'll mask the ports and similar freeing you up a bit on the network/firewall/port mapping side of things)
(DIR) Post #9oR0Qz6EMLC8qT49qK by kelbot@fosstodon.org
2019-10-30T00:39:18Z
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@kemonine @thegibson I have a oneplus now and plan on keeping until I break it. I've been eying sony xperias as possible next phones. That is if I decide a pinephone just doesn't cut it as a daily driver 😃.
(DIR) Post #9oR1bXQHhTrw9D2ga0 by kemonine@social.holdmybeer.solutions
2019-10-30T00:52:43.187604Z
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@kelbot I moved from Xperia -> OnePlusThe Sony's are nipple rubbing worthy hardware but the community in the USA never seems to take off. They are wayyyyy more common over seas but don't have the kind of community OnePlus has managed to build over the years.Because of the community support post-official-support I've gone to recommending OnePlus over Sony. HOWEVER I'll not knock buying a *Qualcomm* based Sony.@thegibson