Post 9nrrLdodVEtbUsa3Rg by buoyantair@social.sunshinegardens.org
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(DIR) Post #9niykKMWZJCybLTWiG by grainloom@cybre.space
2019-10-08T18:50:58Z
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economies of scale: nice, usefulgreedy megacrops: not nearly as nice or usefulhow do we resolve this.....
(DIR) Post #9niykKwgOs8EPUOP4a by 361.xj9@social.sunshinegardens.org
2019-10-08T18:53:23.510096Z
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@grainloom MEGACO-OP?
(DIR) Post #9nj6Ec91iaY67QYDAm by katie@pleroma.voidlurker.net
2019-10-08T18:58:56.028960Z
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(DIR) Post #9njIbGhYo8r5j0Gx60 by the_gayest_doggo@whomst.dog
2019-10-08T19:14:57Z
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@grainloom :8b_t: :8b_r: :8b_a: :8b_d: :8b_e: :8b_u: :8b_n: :8b_i: :8b_o: :8b_n: :8b_s:
(DIR) Post #9njIbOx68G2NJVbTQO by the_gayest_doggo@whomst.dog
2019-10-08T20:08:48Z
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@grainloom to be more precise, local nonhierarchical unions directly managing local industry and cooperating globaly with other unions to get goods and resources around the globe to where they need to go.
(DIR) Post #9njIbYRCrgT8jUl96W by the_gayest_doggo@whomst.dog
2019-10-08T20:09:45Z
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@grainloom if you arent convinced just consider exactly how much infrastructure is already in place to do this for businesses and commodities
(DIR) Post #9njIbgecJhwwDP5y7M by yaaps@banana.dog
2019-10-08T21:39:18Z
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@the_gayest_doggo @grainloom Money is an abstraction to represent value. It's not a good abstraction, but it persists because the global economy is in a local minimum because the disadvantages of sharing information outweigh the advantages. An economy with sufficient incentives for economic agents to communicate their values directly without the abstraction layer would be more efficient, assuming the existence of an agreeable language for that communicationI could tag someone to provide details about valueflows, which is a grammar for that language, but that's probably more information than you want. The important thing to know is that the benefits of collectives aren't just for adversarial situations where we interface with capitalism. We have a basis for building economic networks that are competitive with capitalist business units comparable in size while being just to labor, community, and the environmentThe issue is bringing trust-based networks up to scale with multinational corporations. This can happen, but folks are still working on the software supportMy interest is in using games to replace discourse an evidence-based approach to economic, social, and political theory
(DIR) Post #9njIxpXJyOvU8NF1rk by jwinnie@mastodon.cloud
2019-10-08T19:01:12Z
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@grainloom what is nice and useful about economies of scale?
(DIR) Post #9njIxqKF2W3ea6867M by grainloom@cybre.space
2019-10-08T19:28:14Z
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@jwinnie microprocessors. medicine. efficiency.if you need 100 arrowheads it's better to make a mold and melt some iron, than to make them individually.it's more efficient to print a thousand books after you've built a printing press
(DIR) Post #9njIxrSQpYCg5my9WS by jwinnie@mastodon.cloud
2019-10-08T22:10:19Z
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@grainloom but those things are all possible at the local scale. You can keep a printing press in your house and print books.
(DIR) Post #9njIxsCW4D4COiWxM0 by grainloom@cybre.space
2019-10-08T22:25:18Z
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@jwinnie microchips? I'd like to see someone build one in their garage.But it hasn't happened so far. Same goes for all PC hardware.Old computers are possible, but good luck doing encryption on those chips.
(DIR) Post #9njIxsiQ9aaTzfSR5E by grainloom@cybre.space
2019-10-08T22:33:39Z
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@jwinnie or try making a medical implant.or an MRI scanner. idk how you'll even build the tools that will let you build it.
(DIR) Post #9njIxtPfYnBM9ngyUi by 361.xj9@social.sunshinegardens.org
2019-10-08T22:39:52.033362Z
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@grainloom @jwinnie that's what the walkaway project is all about. full self-sufficiency *might* be doable on a village-level, but everything is much more complex and difficult than you think. with current technology an everything factory would not fit in your garage and building one would involve a lot of work from a team of diverse experts.
(DIR) Post #9njJ8PT5EdJuTCIuKu by 361.xj9@social.sunshinegardens.org
2019-10-08T22:41:50.000060Z
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@grainloom @jwinnie i mean, there are religious groups in the US that do this already, but lifting the technical floor on that kind of thing is HARD
(DIR) Post #9nrrLdodVEtbUsa3Rg by buoyantair@social.sunshinegardens.org
2019-10-10T03:04:49.158616Z
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@grainloom small cooperatives, self sufficient villages that export their excess for money which they can use to buy stuff they can't manufacture (interlop with markets). Abondant usage of *community owned* open source and free software and hardware technology. Cooperative community owned hackerspaces to encourage the same. Hackerspaces as incubators for cooperatives. These are some ideas I have either comeup or read about that can allow us to slowly move away from the current trend of capitalism, big businesses and climate change.