Post 9ni0lwAdUOrgtwqlCy by gryphoenix@freespeechextremist.com
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(DIR) Post #9ni0hJ6SnZzsZtgsMK by JackieLibre@fosstodon.org
2019-10-08T07:38:59Z
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GNU/Linux has small chance to ever get mainstream, unless the biggest propitiatory software can be used on it easily.To make #Linux more competitive we should either sign #petition to #Microsoft supporting #MicrosoftOffice for #Linux or mail #antitrust offices en mass https://www.justice.gov/atr/report-violationshttps://ec.europa.eu/competition/contacts/electronic_documents_en.html, arguing that MS Office has no support for Linux as tool of unfair competition – making switching to Linux harder.If there was MS office for Linux would be Linux used more?
(DIR) Post #9ni0lwAdUOrgtwqlCy by gryphoenix@freespeechextremist.com
2019-10-08T07:41:25.145672Z
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@JackieLibre OpenOffice bruh
(DIR) Post #9ni17xhSU3BA11hkNU by JackieLibre@fosstodon.org
2019-10-08T07:45:23Z
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@gryphoenix I mean I prefer LaTex even more. I'm speaking here rather about the general population rather than me or people here in the fediverse.
(DIR) Post #9ni29kvj25aCwZnUCu by JackieLibre@fosstodon.org
2019-10-08T07:41:33Z
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In fact there is petition calling for Microsoft Office for Linux,sadly it did not get momentum so far. Maybe fediverse can change it. :linus: https://www.change.org/p/microsoft-microsoft-office-for-linux
(DIR) Post #9ni29lFDrbB9v2v3b6 by JackieLibre@fosstodon.org
2019-10-08T07:56:54Z
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It might be slightly unconventional, but I belie that getting MS Office for Linux would even help with the @fsfe's #PublicMoneyPublicCode campaign.State’s IT policies should require from all software to be multi-platform, as the best defense against the vendor lock-in.This would also turn gradual change for #FLOSS much more feasible, less cumbersome and easier to manage.MS Office is the prime example of this problem. If we could deal with this, rest would be much easier.
(DIR) Post #9ni479iWcOR4rKVj8q by tootbrute@scholar.social
2019-10-08T08:18:50Z
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@JackieLibre I almost got my wife to switch but she hates libreoffice. It's Microsoft office 4 life for her.
(DIR) Post #9ni4y7abGBOLbk3liq by JackieLibre@fosstodon.org
2019-10-08T08:28:26Z
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@tootbrute same with my mum. Her work involves lots of work with text documents and she cannot afford any ODT-DOCX incompatibilities.Moreover, as many others, she just wishes to keep using MS Office. : - /
(DIR) Post #9niBYwQOKeyBQ9E1M8 by Stoori@polyglot.city
2019-10-08T09:42:16Z
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@JackieLibre @tootbrute My go-to office suite nowadays is OnlyOffice. Uses natively MS Office files, and is free for private users, also on Linux. It can even be integrated with a Nextcloud install to give a shared editing for the people you like.So far I haven't heard of any problems with files created in OnlyOffice not working properly in MS Office, but of course with some obscure functionalities this could happen I guess.https://www.onlyoffice.com/
(DIR) Post #9niIRVTKqGfXTt0JCy by lwriemen@social.librem.one
2019-10-08T10:59:23Z
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@JackieLibre MS Office is so horrible. If it wasn't for Microsoft's anticompetitive monopoly, it would have never beaten the much better alternatives available in the 80s-90s.
(DIR) Post #9niSgQknfLdKjUvbA8 by JackieLibre@fosstodon.org
2019-10-08T12:54:08Z
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@lwriemen I agree, however this is sort of egg or chicken situation.General public, most of companies and government agencies won't consider switching to Linux unless it supports MS Office, Photoshop, SAP and others.However, none of the big players will support Linux unless its user base is big enough. As most people hate changes, switching form Windows and at the same time from MS Office is too much of a challenge for them.I see MS Office for Linux as the only way out of vicious circle.
(DIR) Post #9niU47mbwyyQnfdZ7A by jamie@fosstodon.org
2019-10-08T13:09:38Z
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@JackieLibre I actually like Office. I’ve tried to use FOSS stuff, but for my use case it’s still a long way off being a reasonable replacement.To be fair, I can’t see Linux desktop ever being mainstream - so doubt there is reason enough for MS to do it.
(DIR) Post #9niUlFK1nQxCdMpUo4 by herve_02@reseaujaune.com
2019-10-08T13:17:21Z
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@JackieLibre @lwriemen Linux don't need this sort of users. Let them run their windows and keep GAFAMA out of it.Who cares about them, they like jails. It would be stupid to put us in jails to attract those prisoners.furthermore, when they'll have microsoft office in linux, they'll ask adobe CC, they'll ask stupids sharewares, they ask their games....They want windows' and already have it. that's fine. let's keep it asis
(DIR) Post #9niYQKEqinJ5cLgetE by JackieLibre@fosstodon.org
2019-10-08T13:58:27Z
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@herve_02 I'm just thinking that switching en mass form Microsoft's proprietary-spyware OS to GNU/Linux would improve privacy and security of the individual users as well as the whole IT infrastructure.If the Adobe and Microsoft products for Linux are need for that, I'm willing to accept that.On the other hand, looking at it in " It's not a bug, it's a feature" perspective, current situation at least helps keeping Linux "pure", disregarding the proprietary drivers, firmware, BIOS anyway.
(DIR) Post #9niZ0qzERTdbbonfVY by herve_02@reseaujaune.com
2019-10-08T14:04:59Z
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@JackieLibre I don't care of privacy and security for others : they get what they deserve. Would it be better for them to use chrome in linux for gmail and facebook ? better for us ?If adobe or microsoft touch linux they will pollute it, they'll push spyware in the kernel. they'll push spyware in userland, they'll corrupt every user. One will design a new component that'll spread every distro and will be mandatory.capitalism is hell, let's keep it away from our computers, far far away
(DIR) Post #9niZOn2kkqDmKTrR1k by JackieLibre@fosstodon.org
2019-10-08T14:09:23Z
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@jamie I had to write my last thesis in MS Word, so I was glad to see that it runs smoothly on Virtualbox.https://itsfoss.com/install-windows-10-virtualbox-linux/With computer games is much more better, many of them support Linux natively and there is also Stream Proton (sort of enchanted Wine) even for non-Steam games.https://segmentnext.com/2018/12/06/steam-proton-guide/
(DIR) Post #9niZR6rO30gwMveOIq by herve_02@reseaujaune.com
2019-10-08T14:09:47Z
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@JackieLibre "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
(DIR) Post #9nia5MUfLFb2RGDUQ4 by JackieLibre@fosstodon.org
2019-10-08T14:17:05Z
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@Stoori @tootbrute I have stumbled upon OnlyOffice while making a small research for this post.It's actually licensed under #AGPL with its source code available here https://github.com/ONLYOFFICE/DesktopEditors
(DIR) Post #9nidipE0kjLqhgw4jQ by JackieLibre@fosstodon.org
2019-10-08T14:57:49Z
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@herve_02 Caring for security and privacy of others is needed. The weakest link in our own security are Windows users who we communicate withThe vision you present is gloomy and really believable. Unfortunately, we have to worry about it even now. Just look at the members of Linux Foundation https://www.linuxfoundation.org/membership/members/ ,Microsoft love-lust for open source (buying Github, implementing Linux Kernel in Windows https://itsfoss.com/windows-linux-kernel-wsl-2/ ).MS Office for Linux or not, your dystopia is real threat.
(DIR) Post #9nieRyaSn7Qalry1pI by herve_02@reseaujaune.com
2019-10-08T15:05:56Z
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@JackieLibre "MY' dystopia is almost already real.if microsoft comes to linux we'll have to move somewhere else or just give up computingThey pushed out RMS because he was the only one to be fundamentalist enought to fight for freedom first instead of bargaining open source. You speaks as an inside man from spyware industry. You sell fear to get our freedom.Microsoft can fork linux kernel and build their own distro, no need to mess up ours. They can do microsoft linux if they want
(DIR) Post #9nifSNQeWvTLlq8KBc by JackieLibre@fosstodon.org
2019-10-08T15:17:16Z
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@herve_02 First of all, sorry for the "your" dystopia, not enough characters to word it properly.However, I agree. Such dystopia is a real danger and it might happen anytime.To verify that we are on the same page:Is your point of view that if Microsoft was to port their product on Linux, they wouldn't do so by modifying their product so it runs on Linux but rather through modifying Linux itself so it runs their product, inserting some malicious code in the process.Did I get that right?
(DIR) Post #9nifnWDt1rEZ7tF8ng by herve_02@reseaujaune.com
2019-10-08T15:21:03Z
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@JackieLibre The point is : if they want their product on linux, it's fairly easy : the give the code GPLV3 and someone will compile it if he thinks he'll need it.everyone will be happy. that's the way it must be done. there is no other way.
(DIR) Post #9nihG4qI0Zh2YiO54q by JackieLibre@fosstodon.org
2019-10-08T15:37:27Z
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@herve_02 I don't see that happening and find idea that people will switch away from MS Office even less likely.However, there actually might be solutions compatible with the free software ideals.Legislative:Antitrust lawsuit requiring MS to put DOCX into legacy mode and finally support ODT properly.Software:Create FLOSS Office that eliminates DOCX-ODT incompatibilities to bare minimum.As @Stoori has mentioned AGPL licensed OnlyOffice https://github.com/ONLYOFFICE/DesktopEditors works for her fine so far.
(DIR) Post #9nii3M3immfI93ARea by herve_02@reseaujaune.com
2019-10-08T15:46:16Z
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@JackieLibre @Stoori The story is about freedom and only freedom. I know that capitalism hates freedom and each move is done to imprison individuals.The point is the majority, because of school, loves being in jail, secure with their friends. So what you want is to give our freedom some prison gards for the one who loves jail, so they can come with us.What you are doing is not freeing them, it's just imprison us.../..
(DIR) Post #9niiWMswnDyt6axk7k by herve_02@reseaujaune.com
2019-10-08T15:51:32Z
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@JackieLibre @Stoori What happening to the kernel now is disgusting.For the sake of open source and capitalism compatibility torvald accepts dangerous moves. Because Torvald do not like freedom, he likes efficiency. He used gnu because nothing else was here. and he'll have no problems giving our freedom .Let's let in big money and software mafia and we'll be imprisoned.We'll need a new generation of fundamentalist of freedom. this era is the one of dangers.
(DIR) Post #9npZefmKF6qxayVNyK by WoodenBridge@todon.nl
2019-10-11T23:14:22Z
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@JackieLibreBig no for me.MS office Linux compatibility may induce a community shift, leaving LireOffice abandoned by many professional users who could provide much needed feedback to LO developers.Moreover, MS office has fairly little to do with the Linux desktop market share being what it is.Lobbying, computers sold with pre-installed Windows, computers given for free by MS to schools and governmental entities, major code teaching school programs financed by MS and based on MS software, TV and internet advertisement campaigns and all kinds of commercial practices that the Linux world has never had neither the budget nor the ethical values to conduct certainly play the biggest part in that.If market share was based on features and compatibility, Linux would've owned the desktop market long ago.Imho, at this point the most lacking area and last truly efficient way to help the userbase grow (by staying in line with the FOSS values) is to make high-quality low-budget and volunteer advertisement campaigns (or sit and hope for #RHEL, #Manjaro or #SUSE to start putting money in it).
(DIR) Post #9npZgHqMCfUpwRA18j by WoodenBridge@todon.nl
2019-10-11T23:15:30Z
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@JackieLibreNo for me.MS office Linux compatibility would likely induce a community shift, leaving LibreOffice abandoned by many professional users who could provide much needed feedback to LO developers.Moreover, MS office has fairly little to do with the Linux desktop market share being what it is.Lobbying, computers sold with pre-installed Windows, computers given for free by MS to schools and governmental entities, major code teaching school programs financed by MS and based on MS software, TV and internet advertisement campaigns and all kinds of commercial practices that the Linux world has never had neither the budget nor the ethical values to conduct certainly play the biggest part in that.If market share was based on features and compatibility, Linux would've owned the desktop market long ago.Imho, at this point the most lacking area and last truly efficient way to help the userbase grow (by staying in line with the FOSS values) is to make high-quality low-budget and volunteer advertisement campaigns (or sit and hope for #RHEL, #Manjaro or #SUSE to start putting money in it).
(DIR) Post #9npjOs6Peazuj40N28 by WoodenBridge@todon.nl
2019-10-12T01:04:25Z
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@JackieLibreNo for me.MS office Linux compatibility would likely induce a community shift, leaving LibreOffice abandoned by many professional users who could provide much needed feedback to LO developers.Moreover, MS office has fairly little to do with the Linux desktop market share being what it is.Lobbying, computers sold with pre-installed Windows, computers given for free by MS to schools and governmental entities, major code teaching school programs financed by MS and based on MS software, TV and internet advertisement campaigns and all kinds of commercial practices that the Linux world has never had neither the budget nor the ethical values to conduct certainly play the biggest part in that.If market share was based on features and compatibility, Linux would've owned the desktop market long ago.Imho, at this point the most lacking area and last truly efficient way to help the userbase grow (while staying in line with the FOSS values) is to make high-quality low-budget and volunteer advertisement campaigns (or sit and hope for #RHEL, #Manjaro or #SUSE to start putting money in it).
(DIR) Post #9o4hmp030VdEuRXxh2 by JackieLibre@fosstodon.org
2019-10-19T06:27:01Z
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A week ago, I was asking “what if there was #Microsoft #Office for #Linux”.The question was not as hypothetical as I thought.365 Personal (32 bit) has Silver rating in #Wine Databasehttps://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=31and there are even reports of “Word and Powerpoint run[ning] flawlessly” from 365 ProPlushttps://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=35527see: Comment from Akash, July 1st 2019Just as a reminder, I'm not interested in MS Office for my personal use. Nowadays, I'm using mainly LaTex.@tootbrute@jamie