Post 9nfECQ2X2D6WLuoPsu by Rasp@niu.moe
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(DIR) Post #9nfECQ2X2D6WLuoPsu by Rasp@niu.moe
2019-10-06T23:25:14Z
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Those opposing free speech never seem understand the consequences of doing so.You are empowering the government to throw you in jail if you openly disagree with them.There isn't much stopping political protestors from being jailed BUT free speech laws.That's REGARDLESS of your political alignment.
(DIR) Post #9ngOnxhAngPYnFeCgK by QwertySpace@niu.moe
2019-10-06T23:34:18Z
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@Rasp I knew someone who didn't get that.They said I was a nazi because of it.
(DIR) Post #9ngOnyCiuNeGN6POrI by Rasp@niu.moe
2019-10-06T23:41:58Z
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@QwertySpace Free speech is the exact OPPOSITE of what nazis want they BURNED and GASSED all the people who openly disagreed with them.
(DIR) Post #9ngOnyfnAIttpG0cAS by QwertySpace@niu.moe
2019-10-07T12:05:54Z
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@Rasp yeah. But they thought I was a Nazi because I'd defend their right to say what they want.
(DIR) Post #9ngOnz6NZSAT9iRqbo by Rasp@niu.moe
2019-10-07T12:07:48Z
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@QwertySpace yeah I get it I'd do the same thing. stopping them from saying is sort of like fixing a broken staircase by tossing a sheet over it.
(DIR) Post #9ngOnzS0H3SuEmZ7JY by Rasp@niu.moe
2019-10-07T12:08:39Z
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@QwertySpace Not only have you not solved anything you've covered up the danger so less people are aware of it.
(DIR) Post #9ngOnzsagCjTZF0Lku by QwertySpace@niu.moe
2019-10-07T13:00:56Z
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@Rasp and in doing so.... You've allowed people to censor opinions they don't agree with
(DIR) Post #9ngP7qAsTMClG91K1g by mal@witches.live
2019-10-06T23:26:21Z
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@Rasp ahh yesfree speech my right to protest in specific fenced off areas after paying for a permit and waiting for the local government and cops to allow me to protest
(DIR) Post #9ngP7qYH4Mv6Qhy0Ui by Rasp@niu.moe
2019-10-06T23:27:54Z
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@mal If anything relaxing those regulations would be expanding free speech and I MASSIVELY support that.
(DIR) Post #9ngP7qxnXTKvhruOHI by mal@witches.live
2019-10-06T23:28:49Z
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@Rasp yeah and I agreeI just think that it's important to understand the term "free speech" in the context of what it actually means in practicein practice it means cops protecting fascists and locking up leftists for not protesting the right way
(DIR) Post #9ngP9u0hBM7DjdEzvU by Rasp@niu.moe
2019-10-06T23:30:06Z
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@mal I'm speaking in principle first and foremost. I'm not suggesting the execution has been good.
(DIR) Post #9ngP9uOnjjOiwOWFV2 by mal@witches.live
2019-10-06T23:30:41Z
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@Rasp yeah I just think that it's important to understand that when people say they are against free speech, what they mean is the way it's actually manifested itself
(DIR) Post #9ngPCYT3jWFXn5lxuC by Rasp@niu.moe
2019-10-06T23:31:35Z
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@mal The distinction IS NOT CLEAR ENOUGH. That's why I'm upset. You should be protesting FOR more free speech not against it.
(DIR) Post #9ngPCbLj1FAKjDMeOG by mal@witches.live
2019-10-06T23:32:42Z
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@Rasp well I mean I think it's the same shit as people who are anti whiteit's not that they hate white people it's that they hate the institution of whiteness, or in other words, the way whiteness actually affects the worldI think if people can't look past the most surface level literal meaning of your words there's not much hope of convincing them of stuff anyway
(DIR) Post #9ngPMZVKjY3Xtyc3AO by dikkus@niu.moe
2019-10-06T23:41:59Z
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@mal @Rasp perhaps they should consider communicating on a more grounded level, then, as that is what most people do. intentional obfuscation for seemingly no purpose doesn't do anyone any good
(DIR) Post #9ngPMaE03Tmk8VVimu by mal@witches.live
2019-10-06T23:44:46Z
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@dikkus @Rasp talking about shit in an idealistic way rather than in a way that reflects material reality *is* obtuseit's talking about things in a realistic way that talks about the way concepts actually affect the world in reality that is grounded
(DIR) Post #9ngPMbII50oNS6Wf7A by dikkus@niu.moe
2019-10-06T23:53:34Z
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@mal @Rasp and intentionally obfuscating one's intentions behind a seemingly contrary name, i.e. "anti free speech movement" is far from discussing the issue in a realistic manner; most people will only look at the surface level of your words, and you will largely only attract ire and bottleneck your movement. not to mention the extremists that don't believe in free speech -- i.e. those that took your words at their surface level and were attracted by it -- will join such a movement, further polluting it.it seems awfully asinine to go about communication reform in such a roundabout way; why not just be up front with your beliefs from the get go? the whole "dude, just look beyond the surface of my words, don't take me literally" sounds forced
(DIR) Post #9ngPMq0PNmQ74zH5pA by Rasp@niu.moe
2019-10-06T23:55:48Z
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@dikkus @mal Clarity is a problem and unfortunately being anti-free speech comes off at authoritarian overreach that could very easily backfire when the shoe is on the other foot.
(DIR) Post #9ngPPPjFXFlQS6TeIC by Rasp@niu.moe
2019-10-06T23:58:55Z
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@dikkus @mal Its like how the presumption of innocence mean bad people can remain free to do bad things while the states hands are tied.Yet we have to allow it because the greater evil is even more innocent people going to jail.
(DIR) Post #9ngPSxNurNQ3heBiaG by mal@witches.live
2019-10-06T23:58:37Z
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@Rasp @dikkus you're kidding yourself if you don't think right wingers will take literally anything that you say and try to turn it against yousay what you believe and don't panic about backlash
(DIR) Post #9ngPT125IUKh160L6u by Rasp@niu.moe
2019-10-07T00:00:47Z
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@mal @dikkus I get it. I still don't agree we should re contextualize the debate and keep focused on their despicable behavior and ideas.
(DIR) Post #9ngPT4XOGY9nt3fsp6 by Rasp@niu.moe
2019-10-07T00:02:06Z
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@mal @dikkus When you play the free speech card you are playing THEIR game on THEIR terminology and why should we?
(DIR) Post #9ngPT7juMSx7okYQFc by mal@witches.live
2019-10-07T00:03:34Z
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@Rasp @dikkus because, just like the word "libertarian", that's the effective meaning of the term "free speech" and I'm not going to will that out of existence
(DIR) Post #9ngPUVQjlUiXaCFKJE by Rasp@niu.moe
2019-10-07T00:05:56Z
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@mal @dikkus You cant will it out of existence but you can and should consider how you speak about things. You don't have to use their words especially when those words are an obvious trap. You don't have to engage with those terms.
(DIR) Post #9ngPUVnmNp9Ijf1jE0 by Rasp@niu.moe
2019-10-07T00:08:22Z
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@mal @dikkus Being 'pro-free speech' looks like they are the good guys on the surface and emotional people with latch onto that.It makes them look like the victims of authoritarians and why should we give them that??
(DIR) Post #9ngju2sKYJ8BdLbmDI by Rasp@niu.moe
2019-10-07T16:33:32Z
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@QwertySpaceI mean its not as if allowing the goverment to police the free flow of information could set a dangerous precident that could very easily be used nefariously if a tyrannical right wing goverment ever came to power...
(DIR) Post #9ngju3op2pv2YkyUNs by Rasp@niu.moe
2019-10-07T16:39:28Z
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@QwertySpaceI think what annoys me more is the assertion that systematic oppression is NOT WORSE than the disorganized mob. The dangerous elements of the mob can be dealt with when the law allows it. When its the goverment that does it who is going to stop them?There are Internment Camps along the southern border of the united states RIGHT NOW.
(DIR) Post #9ngju4ghoV1LFsBWN6 by QwertySpace@niu.moe
2019-10-07T16:40:14Z
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@Rasp Yup.What has the world come to? What can we do?
(DIR) Post #9ngju5pFaDRwmfBrKS by Rasp@niu.moe
2019-10-07T16:41:43Z
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@QwertySpaceNot willfully eroding our freedoms more would be a good start.
(DIR) Post #9ngju6mo0n5XlN3Q9o by QwertySpace@niu.moe
2019-10-07T16:42:54Z
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@Rasp Yeah. I mean, this mentality isn't just limited to governments of course. Even companies are doing it to their products. It's a weird mentality, and I'm looking forward to how our generation will do things in 20-30 years
(DIR) Post #9ngju7hWbuSUbHaiZ6 by Rasp@niu.moe
2019-10-07T16:47:54Z
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@QwertySpaceEventually the pendulum will swing the other way. Always does.The empire long divided must unite. The empire long united must divide. Such it has ever been.
(DIR) Post #9ngju8Eqc176GdBKVM by QwertySpace@niu.moe
2019-10-07T16:48:28Z
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@Rasp Wasn't that long...
(DIR) Post #9ngju8ZPNZYnIOnkYK by Rasp@niu.moe
2019-10-07T16:50:59Z
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@QwertySpaceIts been a gradual process over the last 50 years and how long these cycles take has always been kinda vauge.
(DIR) Post #9ngju92TdUoQkYOxrU by QwertySpace@niu.moe
2019-10-07T16:56:39Z
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@Rasp Can I go back in time and live in Roman society?
(DIR) Post #9niNz1JTyhgdYsCAkq by TerminalState@freespeechextremist.com
2019-10-08T12:01:29.526668Z
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@Rasp "But MY speech isn't political, it's social justice... HATE SPEECH ISN'T FREE SPEECH... it's OK to punch people you think are Nazis" etc are always the canned responses to the common sense you posted.
(DIR) Post #9niOvIeJgI8K7kjKL2 by freemo@qoto.org
2019-10-08T12:12:00Z
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@Rasp I do agree and support with free speech. But as a counterpoint the Netherlands doesnt have free speech but if im protesting something here, and doing so legally I can garuntee you there is a MUCH smaller chance of me being assaulted by a cop than in america or being thrown in jail. Afterall in america you can be thrown in jail for a few days until your found innocent then next time you protest just thrown in again.Point being freedom of speech is a good thing but its such a small part of the puzzle to a free society and sadly overall there really isnt much freedom left in america.
(DIR) Post #9niYSaYB2tx8mpo4S8 by judgedread@freespeechextremist.com
2019-10-08T13:58:53.542628Z
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@TerminalState @Rasp The government absolutely supports the far SJW left at every level, these people assume they will never be tarred with their own brush.Before he fell Joss Whedon was a beloved pillar of the social justice community.
(DIR) Post #9nio3cpb1igzt74ZaC by Rasp@niu.moe
2019-10-07T16:58:10Z
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@QwertySpaceI'm staying here I like my AC and my Wifi and my indoor plumbing and private showering area too much.
(DIR) Post #9nio3dSwfQATr9Tzuq by QwertySpace@niu.moe
2019-10-07T21:44:14Z
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@Rasp Hey, the Romans invented indoor plumbing
(DIR) Post #9nio3e6eHnvXqI3hnk by Rasp@niu.moe
2019-10-08T00:45:41Z
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@QwertySpace yeah but was it as nice as my current setup?
(DIR) Post #9nio3ekLuBgbpQdPge by QwertySpace@niu.moe
2019-10-08T16:53:37Z
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@Rasp fancier. It was made of marble
(DIR) Post #9nio9zLSEYHfS10ZwO by Rasp@niu.moe
2019-10-08T16:54:45Z
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@QwertySpacesounds hella cold on my bumbum