Post 9nHNnrf8itJENjuS1Y by BradleySmall@linuxrocks.online
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(DIR) Post #9nFI4eJ6dwLhqJIuBM by Ghosty@linuxrocks.online
2019-09-24T10:51:42Z
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What is your opinion on proprietary IDEs?
(DIR) Post #9nFI4eapa2WkjHb3oG by BradleySmall@linuxrocks.online
2019-09-24T11:08:38Z
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@Ghosty As in which ones are good? Or why they are the devil and no one should ever use them? Or the conspiracy to keep programmers locked into a technology they don't fully understand by hiding the details of the implementation with whiz-bang wizards and such?
(DIR) Post #9nFIDx8427MMp9ZjZw by Ghosty@linuxrocks.online
2019-09-24T11:10:19Z
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@BradleySmall As in ease of use vs Freedom. -> Is it worth giving up your Freedom to get more ease of use, features, etc..
(DIR) Post #9nFIWOupSiWADOBJmC by BradleySmall@linuxrocks.online
2019-09-24T11:13:39Z
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@Ghosty Now there's an economics question if I ever heard one. Or perhaps a game of "Would you rather?"Suppose you have a lucrative job, programming in-house code in a proprietary language using all proprietary tools and a good paycheck. Or you are working for free using all free/libre tools but you have to live on ramen and ketchup packets and sleep on your Auntie Fanny's couch? :)
(DIR) Post #9nFIikf2RJ1x8EgWVk by Ghosty@linuxrocks.online
2019-09-24T11:15:52Z
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@BradleySmall Haha! Depends on the morality (i guess).
(DIR) Post #9nFJCUhcKwlYKE4cXg by Absinthe@qoto.org
2019-09-24T11:21:15Z
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@BradleySmall @Ghosty Sometimes idealism is a wonderful thing. Sometimes you want to pay your bills and eat. It would all be great if we all had the privilege or luxury to just take an idealistic stand and do something because it was "right" or met with our philosophical stance on how things should be. Morals and values can be relative, and subjective sometimes. I have worked in the Gaming (casino gambling) industry as well as the Pornography (well known magazine) industry. Sometimes I just allow myself a little moral flexibility. I might not be the right person to ask if you are looking for moral guidance when it comes to writing software.
(DIR) Post #9nFJWZGj4M0qHM4Dya by Ghosty@linuxrocks.online
2019-09-24T11:16:03Z
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@BradleySmall What would you do? :D
(DIR) Post #9nFJWZVy9gCp2dCOjg by BradleySmall@linuxrocks.online
2019-09-24T11:24:53Z
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@Ghosty The morality of software is to the final product. When you touch a piece of software it should become better than it was.I once believed that the morality of software involved writing yourself out of a job. I did that on one of my first jobs. We had a client that would call up for ad-hock queries for her database to do mailings for her PAC. By the time I left that job, I had written her a report generator such that she could use mostly natural language to program her mailing lists. :)
(DIR) Post #9nFK8KohFZAQScxuRE by Ghosty@linuxrocks.online
2019-09-24T11:31:42Z
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@Absinthe @BradleySmall That's true. Morality is just one factor asides others when it comes to looking for a job. It's the nature of capitalism I guess. Money plays almost everywhere a big role.
(DIR) Post #9nFKC68bleXU5r4bK4 by Ghosty@linuxrocks.online
2019-09-24T11:32:24Z
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@BradleySmall So it doesn't matter which tools you use (from a morality standpoint)?
(DIR) Post #9nFKN0IDq5tf9QlpA0 by Ghosty@linuxrocks.online
2019-09-24T11:34:21Z
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@BradleySmall For context:I'm thinking about claiming a free JetBrains license but I'm kind of split and can't decide D:.
(DIR) Post #9nFT6K2k3PT14PeMbY by Absinthe@qoto.org
2019-09-24T13:12:11Z
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@Ghosty @BradleySmall money or the things it buys that yo might want to have in order to live :)
(DIR) Post #9nFTSzwIxvjrNbS4m0 by Absinthe@qoto.org
2019-09-24T13:16:16Z
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@Ghosty @BradleySmall there are plenty of non-proprietary IDE's though. If you are stuck in Windows world, give SharpDevelop a look-see, or MonoDevelop. Otherwise Eclipse, or NetBeans, or CodeLite or Codeblocks all come to mind.
(DIR) Post #9nFUHUgytwrnElMY52 by Ghosty@linuxrocks.online
2019-09-24T13:25:23Z
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@Absinthe @BradleySmall I’m on Linux :D. I’m currently using qtcreator for coding c++.I use vscodium for web development and Python.
(DIR) Post #9nFWA7GlmvQwTRiDdg by Ghosty@linuxrocks.online
2019-09-24T13:27:52Z
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@Absinthe @BradleySmall even though qtcreator is for developing c++ QT apps it is so far my favorite when it comes to developing "vanilla" C++ because of it’s easy interface while being feature packed :).
(DIR) Post #9nFWA7Y8kLKPLJq5iK by BradleySmall@linuxrocks.online
2019-09-24T13:46:19Z
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@Ghosty @Absinthe certainly, forgot about that one and kdevelop too
(DIR) Post #9nG1w3yMRjNOjBRcJM by chozron@linuxrocks.online
2019-09-24T13:46:17Z
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@Ghosty In my opinion, one of the worst things one can do as a programmer, is to get oneself locked in with proprietary tools.I live with this situation at work, and it is destructive, since your fate becomes completely tied with the vendor.But, what feature does a proprietary IDE have, that does not exist elsewhere? Especially on Linux?@BradleySmall
(DIR) Post #9nG1w4JHBy6fm3EJua by Ghosty@linuxrocks.online
2019-09-24T17:33:00Z
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@chozron @BradleySmall Probaply nothing. But proprietary IDEs claim to be more "out of the box" usable. I never used one.I guess I should just stay with qtcreator for now.
(DIR) Post #9nG1w4fFsFggsDVsAa by BradleySmall@linuxrocks.online
2019-09-24T19:42:30Z
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@Ghosty @chozron Well, most proprietary ones are tied to one toolchain so there is little configuration. But let's say you want to use Eclipse. You can use it with any toolchain you can imagine, but you have to set it up to best handle what you want. But you could also just use Emacs or Vim and add some plugins to handle language server stuff, or compilation or debugging. So, who cares about out of the box usability, I would prefer future flexibility. :)
(DIR) Post #9nH3uiFm6dnS8z28NE by Ghosty@linuxrocks.online
2019-09-25T07:39:21Z
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@BradleySmall @chozron That’s true! Eclipse is very flexible. But it takes some time to set everything up!
(DIR) Post #9nHNnrf8itJENjuS1Y by BradleySmall@linuxrocks.online
2019-09-25T11:06:14Z
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@Ghosty @chozron if you are doing Java it works OtB pretty well. It also handles gcc pretty well. When you install it there are several choices that set you up for a particular environment. such as CDT for C/C++.