Post 9nFuUUnaPk2M8lJQyu by yoke@stereophonic.space
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(DIR) Post #9nFsob0yoT1jIo2AU4 by Gargron@mastodon.social
2019-09-24T18:00:17Z
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“TVs emit a tone during ad breaks that is inaudible to humans but that smartphones are listening for; now corporate entities can link the tv & phone as belonging to the same person”https://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/is-your-smartphone-listening-to-your-conversations/
(DIR) Post #9nFstpgJi4bkEprktk by ocean@niu.moe
2019-09-24T18:01:15Z
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@Gargron I'd highly recommend everyone getting rid of their cell phones and just going back to using a land line
(DIR) Post #9nFsurEXQQPnLDMTU8 by bclindner@mastodon.technology
2019-09-24T18:01:24Z
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@Gargron Thanks, I hate it!
(DIR) Post #9nFsv9FuQ4CtEg8p7Y by espectalll@mstdn.io
2019-09-24T18:01:29Z
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@Gargron so, the same thing Spain's LPF was sued by the EU for?
(DIR) Post #9nFszsIWtZOm5ecYNs by lyon@mastodon.social
2019-09-24T18:02:15Z
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@Gargron oh, good!!!
(DIR) Post #9nFt0CsiMkE7vfhjYu by Eden@weirder.earth
2019-09-24T18:02:21Z
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@Gargron this was like a theoretical paper a few years ago now on detecting someone's phone by playing high pitched audio and listening to it through the microphone, knowing that different speakers and microphones would detect it differently. This is a slightly easier to achieve version of that, but relies upon a great deal of extra work in tying a phone and a TV together by having them both playing/recording at the same time
(DIR) Post #9nFt0huD1EqG9HdrhA by mlubert@mastodon.circlelinego.com
2019-09-24T18:02:26Z
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@Gargron Good thing I don't watch broadcast TV.
(DIR) Post #9nFuBzDR6IaoyUZrtI by Gregvan@mastodon.social
2019-09-24T18:15:42Z
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@Gargron I did not know that! Thanks for the HEADS UP!
(DIR) Post #9nFuUUnaPk2M8lJQyu by yoke@stereophonic.space
2019-09-24T18:19:06.595835Z
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@Gargron this is really old news tbh but good to share... stores follow us around the store with bluetooth beacons, ISPs sell traffic data, phone companies sell the tower data (showing movement), power companies sell "smart" meter data (showing activity and what is being used and when), Starbucks uses facial recognition tech to track customers purchases, the list goes on, and on, and on., etc., etc., etc...
(DIR) Post #9nFuZj3OqFCXndCdc0 by yoke@stereophonic.space
2019-09-24T18:20:03.615158Z
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@Gargron any data collected is sold these days, or used in some manner. (don't get me started on banks)
(DIR) Post #9nFuvawteji928aajg by datenschutzratgeber@mastodon.social
2019-09-24T18:23:56Z
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@Gargron you can protect yourself by using the PilferShush Jammer - https://f-droid.org/app/cityfreqs.com.pilfershushjammer
(DIR) Post #9nFvHT6LVuyt47RHiy by feld@bikeshed.party
2019-09-24T18:27:56.052538Z
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@Eden @Gargron facebook & instagram on iPhone both activate the microphone in the background for a split second. It's the cause of many people's issues with bluetooth audio breaking in Teslas. I observed the screen changing for a split second to the bluetooth microphone / "telephone" icon, then going away.All issues subsided when we went into app settings for Facebook and Instagram and disabled its access to the microphone. Everyone I've talked to with this issue has reported success when following this procedure..... I think micro-sampling for tones is being actively done right now.
(DIR) Post #9nFw2bmZ3Wx9bDfGCm by Eden@weirder.earth
2019-09-24T18:34:01Z
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@feld @Gargron Starting point - This isn't anything to do with Facebook, it's to do with some conspiracy about TV Ads.To talk about Facebook separately, there's no evidence that they are using audio to target adverts, and micro-sampling tones wouldn't provide data that could be used for advert interest groups/data selling.There's a load of anecdotes they do, but nothing concrete. The bluetooth thing seems fairly explainable as a mic glitch, but doesn't go as far as "nefarious tracking"
(DIR) Post #9nFw2cD9SgDivg6Ue8 by feld@bikeshed.party
2019-09-24T18:36:26.993881Z
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@Eden @Gargron I'm not saying these two exact events are directly related, but positing that this type of behavior is probably in the wild or was at one point.With all of the performance analysis and battery optimization work being done by FB and Insta to ensure their users can be Engaged For Maximum Time^TM I really doubt this was a glitch in their app that was unnoticed for over a year.
(DIR) Post #9nFw5REyhqfBm1IvI0 by shesgabrielle@mastodon.social
2019-09-24T18:36:55Z
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@Gargron W-what-
(DIR) Post #9nFwfFOeDfU1SstzZg by feld@bikeshed.party
2019-09-24T18:43:26.657190Z
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@Eden @Gargron *maybe* the issue at hand is that Facebook and Insta are doing that to bypass some iOS background process restriction by opening up the mic for a moment to cause some internal timer to reset so the worker process doesn't get killed.Maybe. I'm skeptical Apple wouldn't have noticed though.
(DIR) Post #9nFxchJo39ld9GzAm0 by Eden@weirder.earth
2019-09-24T18:46:02Z
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@feld @Gargron you've kinda got to consider what a moment, however long that is, could really get you in terms of value prop.Facebook aren't working with traditional TV ads, AFAIK, so this type of thing isn't viable. Maybe they are doing it for device id, but there are better ways and if it's apple you've got less to go on. And finally a moment isn't sufficient for text context for ad interests. So what benefit is there?
(DIR) Post #9nG0bBdodi24TaJexE by nifker@mastodonten.de
2019-09-24T19:26:36Z
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@Gargron Thats why I use LOS
(DIR) Post #9nG1H7yGfvGbFvshns by tykayn@mastodon.cipherbliss.com
2019-09-24T19:35:02Z
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@GargronThat is for you @Khrys
(DIR) Post #9nG1njiDtDrxZhvRWC by booteille@framapiaf.org
2019-09-24T19:40:56Z
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@Gargron Some time ago, an app called SoniControl (available on the play store) was released to protect users against that.
(DIR) Post #9nG3rUlHcLpwGzHEUy by lenzgr@mastodon.social
2019-09-24T20:04:03Z
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@Gargron more info here: https://www.cityfreqs.com.au/pilfer.php
(DIR) Post #9nG4mwv1bQ6i6hEJDE by brettc@mastodon.social
2019-09-24T20:14:25Z
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@Gargron I'm safe. I don't watch TV. Now if I could just ditch my Google Home Minis.
(DIR) Post #9nGAuqdjQleIfuI5NA by trash@mastodon.host
2019-09-24T21:23:03Z
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@Gargron Oh. Oh nice. It gets worse.
(DIR) Post #9nGBLlGNWrevonCVBg by ingkratky@mastodon.social
2019-09-24T21:27:57Z
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@Gargron so as far as my research goes silverpush is an ad company mainly doing tv-ads. Also what would be the point of the tv pitching a sound to the phone to record a random broadcast ad without the ability to gain any info on the user? I am sorry but i fo believe that article from 2017 was more paranoid than anything else...Although I did see first hand hoe talking repeatedly about a product infront of android phones triggered google ads....
(DIR) Post #9nGFW2T8oRVptTKIk4 by yojimbo@hackers.town
2019-09-24T22:14:37Z
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@Gargron I just don't watch broadcast TV with adverts on it.Admittedly I have to deal with streaming sites, but it's more obvious that they're tracking you in the first place ...
(DIR) Post #9nGHkeuwrI9z6OQrEO by gnomon@mastodon.social
2019-09-24T22:39:41Z
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@Gargron paging @oration to this thread to provide additional context..?
(DIR) Post #9nH0h28H6FolsgJKuO by devurandom@cybre.space
2019-09-25T07:03:12Z
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@gargron iunno, some of these claims sound a bit weird...like "Your TV emits a tone during a commercial break, a tone that’s inaudible to you, but your phone is listening for it. Now they can link the TV and phone as belonging to the same person."unless they can somehow figure out a way to make every TV emit a different tone (which would require messing with millions of broadcasts), there's really no way of identifying anything other than "this phone was in the same room as a TV tuned to this channel"…
(DIR) Post #9nH0ocgDcEEfG3o54K by piggo@piggo.space
2019-09-25T07:04:40.400446Z
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@devurandom @Gargron wasn't the idea that you will start getting the same ad on the phone now?
(DIR) Post #9nHiTUEsLW1JE3nq4G by cosmicevan@cryptids.online
2019-09-25T15:13:50Z
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@Gargron Can't believe no one made the terminator connection in this thread yet
(DIR) Post #9nIDab6AL1Fd6ebEKO by lightone@mastodon.xyz
2019-09-25T21:02:18Z
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@Gargron Don't worry.
(DIR) Post #9nILagcuaFiRsvTB0i by divine_shine@mastodon.social
2019-09-25T22:32:06Z
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@Gargron What the actual fuck?! Is this for real??? 🤯 😱 😑 🤦♂️