Post 9mtOPdpK3wXRpZcASm by Ucak@mastodon.social
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(DIR) Post #9mtK3w9KrIcwTEN23s by brandon@fosstodon.org
2019-09-13T20:46:59Z
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"The nominee is quoted as saying that if the choice of a sexual partner were protected by the Constitution, 'prostitution, adultery, necrophilia, bestiality, possession of child pornography, and even incest and pedophilia' also would be. He is probably mistaken, legally--but that is unfortunate. All of these acts should be legal as long as no one is coerced. They are illegal only because of prejudice and narrowmindedness." - Richard StallmanSrc: https://stallman.org/archives/2003-mar-jun.html
(DIR) Post #9mtKJOYHXdoCu1PTwu by brandon@fosstodon.org
2019-09-13T20:49:49Z
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"Rick Falkvinge joins me in demanding an end to the censorship of "child pornography", and points out that if in the US you observe the rape of a child, making a video or photo to use as evidence would subject you to a greater penalty than the rapist. "Src: https://stallman.org/archives/2012-jul-oct.html#15_September_2012_%28Censorship_of_child_pornography%29Supply and demand folks.
(DIR) Post #9mtKUMM43C51H2vKJU by brandon@fosstodon.org
2019-09-13T20:51:48Z
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RMS' "Pleasure" card. He describes it as a replacement for a business card. Fucking creepy.
(DIR) Post #9mtKdeZnflJgORmQgy by Ucak@mastodon.social
2019-09-13T20:53:28Z
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@brandon If you see a child being raped, you dont film it, you will and *HAVE TO* stop it and protect the child, RMS is mostly bullshit, thats why you dont get fanatical about that man.
(DIR) Post #9mtKkfxEwnXGh75n7Y by brandon@fosstodon.org
2019-09-13T20:54:42Z
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@Ucak Agreed. I never understood the fanaticism behind the man and have always found him to be disgusting and creepy. Even before I saw him eating his own toe jam and defending pedophilia
(DIR) Post #9mtKvzCjiVS9aAjZ68 by Ucak@mastodon.social
2019-09-13T20:56:52Z
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@brandon I almost forgot the toe jam part .D
(DIR) Post #9mtMfh47aaVqbI3yoC by brandon@fosstodon.org
2019-09-13T21:16:16Z
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"The reference reports the claim that Minsky had sex with one of Epstein’s harem…Let’s presume that was true (I see no reason to disbelieve it)."We can imagine many scenarios, but the most plausible scenario is that she presented herself to him as entirely willing." - RMS in reference to the Epstein child sex trafficking case
(DIR) Post #9mtMxo6m8uu1eiwSMC by MadestMadness@meow.social
2019-09-13T21:19:33Z
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@brandon I've admired RMS for a long, long time. I knew he had beyond problematic and just awful opinions about a lot of things, but I swept them under the rug. I dismissed them as quirks of his perspective and something I could excuse him for.This definitively crossed a line for me and I will have trouble ever seeing him the same way again.
(DIR) Post #9mtNHCBcqQzPpqSInQ by Matter@fosstodon.org
2019-09-13T21:23:10Z
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@brandon I don't see what's wrong with this particular quote. He's saying the girl (was forced to) deceived the man into thinking it was not coerced. Paired with his thoughts on the legal age boundary being arbitrary, I read this as just saying that it is not certain that there was moral wrongdoing from Minsky's part. Note also that he wraps it in conditionals
(DIR) Post #9mtNvaexH2HdJvR59c by brandon@fosstodon.org
2019-09-13T21:30:18Z
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Some of you idolize this guy and yeah, he's done some pretty fucking remarkable work. But some of the work is thanks to the attention he's garnered and some of that attention has been garnered thanks to comments and opinions like this. I'm not okay with that and I think that we should not be hoisting this guy to the top as a "symbol" for Free Software. The idea is bigger than him.
(DIR) Post #9mtOPdpK3wXRpZcASm by Ucak@mastodon.social
2019-09-13T21:35:31Z
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@brandon I agree with you but who could defend FOSS better than him? And yeah we should make him the cover of the FOSS, maybe focus more on GNU itself.
(DIR) Post #9mtPSOoQRUSo5T4dzE by ndegruchy@fosstodon.org
2019-09-13T21:47:31Z
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@brandon I, for one, do not idolize him. He's a man, same as any other. He's definitely weird, though (hence the "spectrum" comment, earlier). I admire his work, only. Puts me, and many others, I presume, at odds with themselves.
(DIR) Post #9mtPyjG1xlHqlPOzEu by Matter@fosstodon.org
2019-09-13T21:53:29Z
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@brandon a man can be right on some things and wrong on others. He is right about many things, wrong about some things. He is fiercely militant about things he cares about, and those are more often than not good causes. He's certainly not perfect, and is pretty eccentric, but has done a lot of good regarding free computing so just for that I will continue to read his thoughts on things, even if I might disagree with some of his views. As I tend to do with most people...
(DIR) Post #9mtQWccL9oVg10zyCm by brandon@fosstodon.org
2019-09-13T21:59:33Z
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@Matter To insinuate that Minsky did nothing wrong is to insinuate that it's okay for a man to coerce a woman into having sex with someone else, in my POV. Regardless of whether the victim was willing or not, it still presents an illegality on the grounds of sex trafficking and procurement (otherwise known as pimping).That's pretty much all I have to say on that portion of the matter, but if you have questions regarding the view, send me an email linuxliaison@fastmail.com
(DIR) Post #9mtQqaoBanaECG3uXw by brandon@fosstodon.org
2019-09-13T22:03:04Z
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@Matter I think for the benefit of diversity in the free software movement, it would be wise to /not/ call attention to RMS, except in cases where only his work is being praised and when pointing out injustices. He is not a pleasant man to be around and it shows on multiple fronts from his political commentary regarding sexuality and sexualized behaviour, to the plethora of really awkward and abrasive interviews.
(DIR) Post #9mtR46z9GsHFkvdUye by brandon@fosstodon.org
2019-09-13T22:05:26Z
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@Ucak I think there's a typo here. Did you mean "shouldn't"?I think there are other folks who could do not only a better job defending free software, but also be more effective at spreading it.No, I couldn't do a better job, but that doesn't mean I can't call for a better representative in situations where I believe the current representative is an ill representation of the community
(DIR) Post #9mtR7pzqNR5cDyjodE by ndegruchy@fosstodon.org
2019-09-13T21:49:30Z
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@brandon Additionally, the lady who wrote that article certainly over-reacted. She wants to "burn it all down". Not saying her outrage isn't valid, but she also needs to check her tone.
(DIR) Post #9mtR7qHvIDYF83CFoO by brandon@fosstodon.org
2019-09-13T22:06:04Z
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@ndegruchy Agreed, slightly over reacted, but certainly valid in her criticism. It's not any mystery as to why the term FOSSbro exists
(DIR) Post #9mtRQuS42LzFXn22im by brandon@fosstodon.org
2019-09-13T22:09:39Z
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@MadestMadness To be clear, he's more saying "well if the girl 'presented' as willing, what did he do wrong?" and the answer to that would be that it's statutory rape and procurement (aka pimping) of a minor, or child sex trafficking, whichever is the correct name for the charge.
(DIR) Post #9mtRhCv38vITSAMS7k by MadestMadness@meow.social
2019-09-13T22:12:34Z
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@brandon The piece I'm having most trouble with is "the most plausible scenario".
(DIR) Post #9mtRvqd2IiPCfEut6m by brandon@fosstodon.org
2019-09-13T22:15:15Z
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@MadestMadness That should be qualified with "assuming Minsky has a decent sense of morality" but no, that's not the most plausible scenario when talking about a sex trafficking island and "i don't know" from the girl to the question in court of "when" the acts occurred w/ Minsky.
(DIR) Post #9mtS0N9JKeaqgQAcHw by Matter@fosstodon.org
2019-09-13T22:16:12Z
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@brandon not if he was tricked into it by the girl being forced to pretend (which is what is being insinuated in the quote). And the law is irrelevant since RMS tends to disregard it (as one should) regarding questions of morality.
(DIR) Post #9mtSue17nw9FDOAqQK by ben_hr@social.coop
2019-09-13T22:26:12Z
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@brandon I wasn’t aware of his statements, being outside the FOSS club. They’re pretty shocking and would be career-ending in other fields.I’m extremely disappointed by the apologist responses to your toot as well. Makes me think that too many broadly “tech” people have failed to learn from #MeToo and are far too willing to make excuses for the influential and powerful.
(DIR) Post #9mtU4OqJB40v0CKWjw by deejoe@mastodon.sdf.org
2019-09-13T22:37:25Z
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@brandon @Ucak one could look at LibrePlanet speakers & FSF award recipients as just one obvious & ready source of people doing great work in software freedom with much less of the baggage, at least a few of whom are on fedi
(DIR) Post #9mtoK5X0k4T4pH3uro by jordan31@fosstodon.org
2019-09-14T02:25:14Z
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@brandon Hmm, this really has me on the fence. Sometimes I would disagree and leave the person to his views (RMS that is); and I'm sort of leaning to that. But, this is kind of fucked up. I could defend him, and see his point, but this time I agree with you. He prob doesn't need the spotlight for a while. I know FOSS/GNU is his idea, but some of his views suck. There are numerous people that could be spotlighted to show new ideas and a new voice. :/
(DIR) Post #9mtzipo5RS12nC3Gwi by Ucak@mastodon.social
2019-09-14T04:33:49Z
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@brandon Yes, i meant "shouldnt"
(DIR) Post #9mu6lfyr8DT8rfOIvw by simon@fosstodon.org
2019-09-14T05:52:47Z
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@brandonYou also have this unspeakably abhorrent quote "For necrophilia, it might be necessary to ask the next of kin for permission if the decedent's will did not authorize it. Necrophilia would be my second choice for what should be done with my corpse, the first being scientific or medical use". This is beyond awful, and people should hold MIT and also anyone who invites him to speak (e.g. Microsoft) to account for it.
(DIR) Post #9mug4U9Kq7yw4Lzryy by Jason_Dodd@mastodon.social
2019-09-14T12:28:19Z
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@brandon I was an RMS fanboy until someone here said something like, "Too bad about the pedo justification."I said, "Huh?" and did some research. Yeah, RMS is no longer on my list of heros. Don't think I'd attend his talk even if it were in the same building and I had the day free.
(DIR) Post #9muxlAv9uD566bJ9SS by Niquarl@mastodon.social
2019-09-14T04:09:08Z
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@ben_hr @brandon It's a shame that opinions, however digusting could end your 'career' I find. Plus, he is mostly creepy, that's all.
(DIR) Post #9muxlB9h2Ahupg6l72 by ben_hr@social.coop
2019-09-14T04:33:33Z
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@Niquarl @brandon If you’re not accountable for your public utterances and behaviour, what exactly do you imagine anyone is accountable for?
(DIR) Post #9muxlBS7vdS7kqjTqS by Niquarl@mastodon.social
2019-09-14T04:40:18Z
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@ben_hr @brandon If they do their job well or not I suppose as far as their work goes.
(DIR) Post #9muxlBkCqPukevBv1c by ben_hr@social.coop
2019-09-14T04:44:52Z
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@Niquarl @brandon I guess my view is that that’s not much of a distinction, particularly where there is calculated ambiguity about about which position, standing and accountabilities people are acting and speaking within.
(DIR) Post #9muxlBvCBYhlD0Kh9c by Niquarl@mastodon.social
2019-09-14T14:45:44Z
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@ben_hr @brandon Yeah, I can see both pictures. Tbh, I wouldn't mind to much losing RMS.I actually fail to see what he really does anymore ? Does he even still code nowadays or does he just speak at Libreplanet ?
(DIR) Post #9muxlC8JOnCFrgTAbA by brandon@fosstodon.org
2019-09-14T15:46:21Z
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@Niquarl @ben_hr he doesn't really code or anything today, mostly speaking gigs and management stuff
(DIR) Post #9muy8RN0uiApmZQl4i by brandon@fosstodon.org
2019-09-14T15:49:03Z
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@simon I completely agree with the accountability part, but the problem is that companies like Microsoft and organizations like MIT, are extremely large and just because someone does work on behalf of the organization, it doesn't mean that everyone there thinks the same. So it's difficult to get anything to stick
(DIR) Post #9mv0xmUKMCNjxJSbFQ by simon@fosstodon.org
2019-09-14T16:22:07Z
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@brandonI think if he became a deservedly toxic brand then people would stop inviting him to stuff and FSF would have to choose a new public figurehead...or fork their org
(DIR) Post #9mv54aKeLpXI68QwTY by brandon@fosstodon.org
2019-09-14T17:07:21Z
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@simon Slowly but surely, he is. I mean, the latest happenings were on Vice for crying out loud: https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/9ke3ke/famed-computer-scientist-richard-stallman-described-epstein-victims-as-entirely-willing
(DIR) Post #9mvE2FoGa4PLSQFY8W by brandon@fosstodon.org
2019-09-14T18:48:53Z
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@alpacaherder @simon is that a more complicated way of saying "I'd fucking kill him if I had the chance"? :P
(DIR) Post #9mvlW8VFbmSJyGDCjI by Niquarl@mastodon.social
2019-09-15T01:04:08Z
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@brandon @ben_hr Well, maybe he's old enought to retire then, or maybe he can't financially, I have no idea what revenues he has.