Post 9mWalQIl5NMbLkZAQa by popefucker@cybre.space
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(DIR) Post #9mWaUtr1xKk05DiZ2e by restioson@anarchism.space
2019-09-02T20:35:14Z
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What is masculinity actually meant to be though? I think we have done some good work (which must continue!,) to gain understanding of what it should NOT be... but what SHOULD it be? Any opinions? (preferably from men/masc people, non-men welcome too). Asking *As A Men*.
(DIR) Post #9mWaUuBwhZTH85VGds by popefucker@cybre.space
2019-09-02T21:13:07Z
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@restioson in the end "masculinity" is always going to mean what it has meant historically and culturally. But we can pick and choose the good parts of that to make it what we want it to be.Being masculine means fulfilling a "protector" or "provider" role in relationships. It means being emotionally stable, having a strong moral compass, and not shying away from difficult things.I think these are the positive traits from American masculinity.
(DIR) Post #9mWaUug4tXZedXbKbo by epicmorphism@satania.space
2019-09-02T21:33:03.673603Z
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@popefucker @restioson those are not positive traits, those are burdens
(DIR) Post #9mWalQIl5NMbLkZAQa by popefucker@cybre.space
2019-09-02T21:33:23Z
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@epicmorphism @restioson being a good person is a burden, and also a positive trait
(DIR) Post #9mWalRqpKCD29hVtAW by epicmorphism@satania.space
2019-09-02T21:36:03.021041Z
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@popefucker @restioson gross. that’s why I hate men and being a man
(DIR) Post #9mWayiDFnsZCfIKPFQ by popefucker@cybre.space
2019-09-02T21:36:56Z
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@epicmorphism @restioson then don't do it. You can be an unmasculine man or not even a man.
(DIR) Post #9mWayiS8uWTbPTIISG by epicmorphism@satania.space
2019-09-02T21:38:26.748998Z
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@popefucker @restioson can I not be please
(DIR) Post #9mWoBVft1w92wn9aKG by HarneyBA@pleroma.site
2019-09-03T00:06:26.809307Z
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@restioson iunno lolDollar Shave Club advertisements and gay nationalist bodybuilding? competitive irony poisoning?If masculinity is hierarchy by Natural Law™ and breadwinning for your nine kids and that 'Industrial+' capital and SCALE leads to societal flattening & economic inequality, what do?Will power structures convert to decentralized micro-hierarchy? a structural embodiment of "guys being dudes"? or does the western world continue with draconian, arbitrary roles despite the differences being last left to genitalia? Or something equally dumb or tragically pedestrian?My soul has been sliding on loose gravel for over a decade now, and "I still haven't found what I'm looking for." - bonoA screaming cat is being eaten …
(DIR) Post #9mWoyUk9HV5QFTVN6u by FirstProgenitor@sanguine.space
2019-09-02T21:03:45Z
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@restioson I don’t think you can really define what masculinity is without being stereotypical- because anything you describe for what being masc is, someone who isn’t masc can also embody that trait. But for me, a lot of how I want to embody masculinity can be summed up in Dorian Electras “man to man” which is a really good and inspirational song for meBasically about how being masc should be about being forthright, direct, good communication, saying what you mean, being able to know when to be soft and when not to be, not being afraid of being your true self unapologetically, etc
(DIR) Post #9mWoyVFLPW2XoE6Hjc by substack@anarchism.space
2019-09-02T21:14:23Z
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@FirstProgenitor @restioson this practice of putting some human actions in the category "masculine" and others in the category "feminine" seems extremely fucked up. "men" are "forthright" and "direct" (and implied here is that "women" aren't expected to exhibit those tendencies, even if this is a permissible transgression). fuck this whole thing
(DIR) Post #9mWoyVmJQwPZSTWc7c by popefucker@cybre.space
2019-09-02T21:22:01Z
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@substack @FirstProgenitor @restioson I don't think the point is to say "this is what masculinity is in some unchangable permanent fashion" but to adapt cultural conceptions of masculinity to not be complete garbage. Like it or not, the concept of 'masculine' and 'feminine' are not going anywhere any time soon, even people who don't fit those molds or consciously reject them are in a culture which has them. We have to work with what we have.
(DIR) Post #9mWoyWDFolxio2887E by substack@anarchism.space
2019-09-02T21:39:02Z
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@popefucker @FirstProgenitor @restioson i don't think it's possible to reform these concepts in a way that isn't oppressive. abolition or bust. everyone should be free to express themselves and their body in any way that they want without bullshit policing and norm-setting which is inherent to any project of gender category
(DIR) Post #9mWoyWYWXgyZs057Gi by popefucker@cybre.space
2019-09-02T21:50:01Z
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@substack @FirstProgenitor @restioson agreed, anyone should be able to express themselves however they want. Gender should be descriptive. But, the vast majority of people feel they fit in certain prescribed gender categories, which currently are awful things defined by advertising and religion, and if we just let those categories go to shit by leaving them to the advertisers and churches then they will just get worse and worse.
(DIR) Post #9mWoyyy0uW0DzADrt2 by v0idifier@todon.nl
2019-09-02T21:43:50Z
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@restioson fuck if i know
(DIR) Post #9mWp4hAK0cBkVqhhDc by FirstProgenitor@sanguine.space
2019-09-02T21:24:14Z
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@popefucker @substack @restioson I also think it’s kinda shitty that fem people talk about fem stuff all the time but then masc people get asked what masc means to them and people get upset. I started this by saying that everybody acts every type of way under every label, I know that. Its about what masculinity means to ME, and what it means to other masc people
(DIR) Post #9mWqD8Ip66mewpGeGG by HarneyBA@pleroma.site
2019-09-03T00:29:08.767315Z
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@restioson Boosting this post, for it is a challenge just to untangle the spaghetti of where the western 'canon' of masculinity went from the "rennaissance" period to the 20th century. Was never keyed in for historical social waves.
(DIR) Post #9mXssMhSblCsLs8o0u by rah@social.librem.one
2019-09-03T12:29:34Z
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@epicmorphism @restioson @popefucker I hate to be the one to break it to you but being a good person is not a gender-specific burden. Although I would say that actually the burden is not to "be good" but only to not harm others. So play with the devil and enjoy yourself, as long as your play isn't at the expense of someone else's wellbeing.
(DIR) Post #9mXssMxPeRy19LbXsW by epicmorphism@satania.space
2019-09-03T12:33:41.669165Z
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@rah @popefucker @restioson cool comment but not relevant
(DIR) Post #9mXy3bDdBMV8JHxR9E by rah@social.librem.one
2019-09-03T13:29:47Z
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@epicmorphism @restioson @popefucker I disagree
(DIR) Post #9mXy3bW44pFLESa9se by epicmorphism@satania.space
2019-09-03T13:31:45.874184Z
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@rah @popefucker @restioson i disagree with your disagreementdevil_may_cry.jpg
(DIR) Post #9mY4v19M6LEro4oSOG by restioson@anarchism.space
2019-09-03T13:36:58Z
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@epicmorphism @popefucker @rah d i s c o u r s e
(DIR) Post #9mY4wRosQgjwoKurKK by kuroki@ihatebeinga.live
2019-09-03T14:05:22.513054Z
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@popefucker @epicmorphism @restioson thanks for the reassurance that I am actually a girl