Post 9mMEeD3UcRMvfpPpmC by Zlchxo@chitter.xyz
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(DIR) Post #9mM8oIwaypaJ6lcUqm by malin@linuxrocks.online
2019-08-28T20:35:43Z
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My gf's learning html. Nobody told her that vim's a strange tool for genius programmers, so I just told her it was a normal tool, showed her insert and escape, then let her get on with it.Half an hour later, I showed her another vim command.Someone with almost zero education, who can't type properly, is programming in vim because nobody told her it was difficult. I know people who can program in Haskell who aren't sure if they can do vim.
(DIR) Post #9mM93c2QGt7ofee3Bg by clarjon1@connected.cat6.network
2019-08-28T20:38:29.772902Z
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@malin I've found that about a lot of things.Things that folks have been told is impossible to do, and then bam, they can't do it.Or have been told is hard and thus bam it's hard in their head.
(DIR) Post #9mMA5w6CkvkZQF5Nku by BradleySmall@linuxrocks.online
2019-08-28T20:50:06Z
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@malin yea, but can she ever exit :)I love vim, but some days I love emacs.... and then others I hate Eclipse but I use it anyway... thank goodness for Vrapper
(DIR) Post #9mMADVN60ovuqRazhI by EeveeEuphoria@donphan.social
2019-08-28T20:51:27Z
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@malin this doesn't help me exit out of vim on my raspberry pi 1, please help
(DIR) Post #9mMAEj3ub2kHaxCkLY by EeveeEuphoria@donphan.social
2019-08-28T20:51:41Z
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@malin this doesn't help me exit out of vim on my raspberry pi 1, please help
(DIR) Post #9mMAkgy5utlIMrj5Rw by witchfynder_finder@cybre.space
2019-08-28T20:57:26Z
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@malin I found an interactive vim tutorial online the other day and was messing around in it and I was like "Wait what's so hard about this?" It even tells you how to quit, how is that such a big joke?Honestly I was a little disappointed when it was just a text editor with kinda weird controls, I expected much worse =P
(DIR) Post #9mMApZ9CQE5VYlFDge by polychrome@cybre.space
2019-08-28T20:58:20Z
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@malin the reason I know vi today is because I just learned it as a teenager before people on the internet told me it's difficult.(And I guess 80's DOS software already prepared me for this kind of UI, in a way)
(DIR) Post #9mMBYgjl3CGA86rPUW by malin@linuxrocks.online
2019-08-28T21:06:31Z
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Now she's switching randomly between getting irritated at the computer and shouting "YES, GOT IT!" to nobody at all.
(DIR) Post #9mMDI7knY7wQuFZnOK by kiilas@computerfairi.es
2019-08-28T21:25:50Z
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@malin most people who say vim is hard are either vim users who like feeling special, or people who believed them but never genuinely tried to learn itsame applies to a lot of tech skills, whenever the privileged try to justify their privilege because they had the time, energy and encouragement to learn themimagine the uproar if people were told that 90%+ of tech jobs don't require any special abilities and most people could quickly learn to do them with some basic training
(DIR) Post #9mMDJglAsosVlVUxwe by KitsuneAlicia@octodon.social
2019-08-28T21:26:12Z
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@malin The placebo effect is wild.
(DIR) Post #9mMDZTiX8vTDwonBFQ by steven@todon.nl
2019-08-28T21:29:02Z
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@malin I think another reason people have so much trouble with vim is no one tells them to print out the user guide and consult it
(DIR) Post #9mMEeD3UcRMvfpPpmC by Zlchxo@chitter.xyz
2019-08-28T21:41:05Z
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@malin they teach some of my college classes in vim
(DIR) Post #9mMEgqMbRWVUAIbth2 by fluffy@freespeechextremist.com
2019-08-28T21:41:37.124845Z
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@malin now get her started on emacs
(DIR) Post #9mMFMDBHVsWqny2Zeq by manulfk@linuxrocks.online
2019-08-28T21:49:04Z
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@malinI didn't thought of vim as difficult.The major problem was the habits I had from decades of gui and windows keyboard shortcuts that I'm still battling with.I'll feel comfortable in vim, I won't give up !
(DIR) Post #9mMHRTBNeAO1mzioQy by Fenreliania@glitch.social
2019-08-28T22:12:23Z
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@malin on the other hand, I used vim without knowing what it was at all, and I could neither edit anything nor escape from it for 20 minutes.
(DIR) Post #9mMI7c78pUaveWpp6O by patchman@social.linux.pizza
2019-08-28T22:20:02Z
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@malin biggest problem I had when I first ran vim was how to quit
(DIR) Post #9mMILH7RgZ6uakUWfY by reddietoexplore@meemu.org
2019-08-28T22:22:20Z
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@malin I’ve never heard of vim. This is very interesting. It’s also a very inspirational story.
(DIR) Post #9mMKhcMNap4ekSG45w by gcb@mastodon.social
2019-08-28T22:48:56Z
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@malin this thread reminds me of https://www.gnu.org/fun/jokes/ed-msg.html (eat flaming death :)
(DIR) Post #9mMRNWjNVlNlB4Nmim by BradleySmall@linuxrocks.online
2019-08-29T00:03:35Z
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@malin sounds like she is hooked. Have you got her using tmux or screen too?
(DIR) Post #9mMTJIEHgYuQx4woF6 by malin@linuxrocks.online
2019-08-29T00:25:24Z
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@BradleySmall Nah. I have a single education tactic for myself and the world - never learn anything, only gather tools to solve problems.I only know tmux because I had a problem and that was the fix. The only thing in computing I've had to 'study' is Microsoft, because it's never the right tool for a job.
(DIR) Post #9mMTc9Lov4XKuySpmq by BradleySmall@linuxrocks.online
2019-08-29T00:28:49Z
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@malin I started on MSDOS 3.3 and worked my way through all the Windows and OS/2. I made Penthouse over 400k on a program that I wrote for DOS with SVGA that they gave away for free. Even for Porn, sometimes M$ can be the right tool for the job
(DIR) Post #9mMTtdAHKFOkJ5OvIG by roli_skates@loves.pizza
2019-08-29T00:31:57Z
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@malin I'm so invested in this. All they taught us was how to exit vim if you accidentally open it
(DIR) Post #9mMVYmbLFHqLOuFKpE by vy@masto.vy-let.software
2019-08-29T00:50:37Z
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@malin I feel this way about parallelism.
(DIR) Post #9mMiU4IzII9GGTkAWu by yaaps@banana.dog
2019-08-29T03:15:25Z
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@malin As long as you told her to "write and quit" as opposed to "save and exit," everything should be golden 😎
(DIR) Post #9mMxXLaN08Ec2XtaWO by tn5421@niu.moe
2019-08-29T06:04:06Z
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@malin i dont like vim because i grew up with windows notepad....and later on notepad++
(DIR) Post #9mN0wgvh57rhL5e8PY by Ste1lar@niu.moe
2019-08-29T06:42:18Z
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@malin vim is confusing, i prefer using sublime text because i use the mouse a lot
(DIR) Post #9mN17zoVDBdP5mfn1c by beegrrl@radical.town
2019-08-29T06:44:18Z
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@malin *rms disliked this*For real tho, I picked up vim in about a week and I had a friend switch to vim from nano and he had it down within the afternoon. Now you just need to gradually introduce the time saving concepts that makes vim "the editor running at the speed of thought"
(DIR) Post #9mN1KWVZTnAfy4n8tM by chumii@fedi.absturztau.be
2019-08-29T06:46:36.584321Z
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@malin so true. People tend to mystify tools like vim so they don't even try to use them.Or it is the opposite and they don't really use it efficiently instead they are only posing bc they know it is mystified.
(DIR) Post #9mN1R39b17EkxCcoMq by chumii@fedi.absturztau.be
2019-08-29T06:47:47.872915Z
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@malin so true. People tend to mystify tools like vim so they don't even try to use them.Or it is the opposite and they don't really use it efficiently instead they are only posing bc they know it is mystified.
(DIR) Post #9mN1Xj3Y8aOMeKypQ8 by clarjon1@connected.cat6.network
2019-08-29T06:48:59.010197Z
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@kiilas @malin I keep trying to tell people that what they think is hard isn't hard at all!I teach people things all the time and the response is "Really? That was easy!" And i'm like YES! Things are easy! Explore the interfaces, a lot of the time the actual UI will explain to you via hoverover or nearby text as to what it'll do! Experiment in scratch documents so you can see for yourself what things do!There are some more difficult things, sure, but there's SO MUCH that people think is hard because people have told them is hard and it's frustrating.What makes me incredibly upset -- not at the people themselves! -- is the mentality that thing are so impossibly hard, that they cannot figure the big bad scary computer out...Even when it's giving them instructions on how to fix the issue in the error message itself.I cannot count the number of times where i have helped someone fix an issue by slightly rephrasing exactly what was in the screenshot of an error message...
(DIR) Post #9mN1czzGcGGQbkUWe0 by Mikoto@fedi.absturztau.be
2019-08-29T06:49:57.085047Z
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@fluffy @malin I actually did that with mommy. She is pretty good at it now. :blobcatsmug:
(DIR) Post #9mN1f1kP2hF0e8VQy8 by pie@pl.ohno.host
2019-08-29T06:44:28.734086Z
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@Ste1lar @malin theres do much stuff that i use my editor for thst sounds like itd just take more effort or be impossible in vimplus i have terrible memory so i can never remember the commands to do anything
(DIR) Post #9mN1f1tcUQc76ionKq by Ste1lar@niu.moe
2019-08-29T06:46:33Z
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@pie @malin wait isnt vim the thing were you need to press wq to save and quit? oh i was thinking about emacs i'm so dumbyeah vim is very simple to use but i prefer to use the mouse, my dad he only use the keyboard because he was from the era were there was no mouse so its understanding
(DIR) Post #9mN1h7S8nhsQv8xgYK by chumii@fedi.absturztau.be
2019-08-29T06:50:42.634627Z
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@Ste1lar @pie @malin :wq!
(DIR) Post #9mN1oWJqkMyU4Lc2r2 by Ste1lar@niu.moe
2019-08-29T06:51:24Z
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@chumii @pie @malin when i opened it to make my mount file for arch linux i dint know how to save and quit and i completely fucked up the file by smashing the keyboard until it saved
(DIR) Post #9mN1uq2iKOBeyibtZI by chumii@fedi.absturztau.be
2019-08-29T06:53:11.377399Z
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@Ste1lar @pie @malin I know that feeling. I felt very stupid using vimtutor because I wasn't able to quit before I realized the ':' and the '!' are part of the command.
(DIR) Post #9mN1xvNYwbLwOgpk5A by Ste1lar@niu.moe
2019-08-29T06:53:26Z
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@chumii @pie @malin yeah
(DIR) Post #9mN3YHO6h3752FzHXs by epicmorphism@satania.space
2019-08-29T07:11:30.674161Z
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@malin WHY DIDNT YOH SHOW HER Emacs OH MY GOD
(DIR) Post #9mN42qYEWOBmmQIcvA by musicmatze@mastodon.technology
2019-08-29T07:17:00Z
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@malin @ztpnk you are, indeed, a genius and I bow before you.Now I hope even more to get a girlfriend, so I can do the same with her in Rust and Haskell.
(DIR) Post #9mNG2SYgvMkHon5zTU by megriffin@linuxrocks.online
2019-08-29T09:31:25Z
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@malin That is how I got into Vim
(DIR) Post #9mNhcKXQv0DM8BptfU by malin@linuxrocks.online
2019-08-29T14:40:25Z
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@Kye @patterfloof That's the one - I forget it's not in common parlance. I had a look at a little of the court transcript one, and it's malicious stuff.
(DIR) Post #9mNibFWeAaoSFVW6K0 by patterfloof@meow.social
2019-08-29T14:51:24Z
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@malin @Kye the vim court transcript?
(DIR) Post #9mNjXDOQFzj4QlJHTU by malin@linuxrocks.online
2019-08-29T15:01:54Z
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@patterfloof @Kye fek, replied to wrong comment.Wouldnt want to be locked up in Vim court. You're really not getting out of that one.
(DIR) Post #9mOwKbxn5QBJQr8L6e by rgh@mastodon.social
2019-08-30T04:59:59Z
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@malin I'm just too lazy to learn vim