Post 9lpPygJfmUq8TsbHsG by roka@aria.company
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(DIR) Post #9lpCWPUBSq9qlmhoWm by anna@witches.live
2019-08-12T23:05:03Z
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starting to wonder if i should have ever dropped the pleroma is nazi software thing, the devs are really going mask off rn
(DIR) Post #9lpCWY15kNEbEAACvo by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-08-12T23:11:46.021196Z
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@anna starting to wonder if maybe YOU should stop buying into the bullshit. at NO time did pleroma devs say that blocks should be removed.
(DIR) Post #9lpCdy1LSklFu9ouBs by FimbulFlower@niu.moe
2019-08-12T23:05:28Z
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@anna What did they do now.
(DIR) Post #9lpCe5s4H85sFhXbqC by anna@witches.live
2019-08-12T23:08:27Z
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@FimbulFlower im trying to untangle it all but they're being really shitty about blocks working like they should
(DIR) Post #9lpCeDVJtaePvSxYUi by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-08-12T23:13:06.634902Z
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@anna @FimbulFlower no, they're being TIRED of the BULLSHIT spread by MASTODON USERS who self-own themselves with Mastodon's BROKEN-ASS BLOCKING
(DIR) Post #9lpChGKBrj35XgCpt2 by 1iceloops123@shitposter.club
2019-08-12T23:13:47.287350Z
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@kaniini @anna kaniini you can't change these peoples minds. as for people who use it we know it isn't
(DIR) Post #9lpCwYlxYiXx6KUOmm by anna@witches.live
2019-08-12T23:15:15Z
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@kaniini i didnt say that either but there does seem to be a concerned effort to concern troll out of efforts to make the fediverse safer by bringing up dumbshit "its the spec!!" nonsense instead of working toward making things work in a way that is safe and in line with users' perfectly reasonable expectations that stalkers should have to at least put some effort in and not just flip a damn switch
(DIR) Post #9lpCwfS0jHkToUD4AC by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-08-12T23:16:28.890021Z
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@anna you can flip a switch to make Pleroma stop accepting Create activities. what's your point?y'all are tearing your own network apart. have fun with that. i ENCOURAGE mastodon instances to block Pleroma at this point.
(DIR) Post #9lpDhNqbzmBCpPzbZg by anna@witches.live
2019-08-12T23:20:00Z
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@kaniini i mean we're fighting with each other by proxy with other axes to grind, i still trust your takes on things but i am eternally frustrated that there is zero effort and an awfully concerning amount of concern trolling being done to make sure little is known about and nothing is done about the issue that mastodon and pleroma just kind of passively surveil anyone it comes in contact with even if that contact is a blocki would request you not get lost in the technical weeds and see where the actual frustration is coming from. it doesnt matter that whats going on is a teapot tempest, it matters that these tempests are happening FOR SOME REASON
(DIR) Post #9lpDhRpLCRXXAdQe9I by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-08-12T23:24:55.716623Z
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@anna what the FUCK are you talking about?it is not OUR fault that MASTODON has broken security.there is nothing to discuss. i have already specified MULTIPLE TIMES how blocks should correctly work in ActivityPub.that MASTODON has BROKEN behaviour and people report bugs saying it is BROKEN doesn't mean they are WRONG, and I will GLADLY call people who are trolling the bug reporter out on that fact.MASTODON folks should SHUT THE FUCK UP with their DRAMA and start taking SECURITY SERIOUSLY.OR you can continue to ROLEPLAY while GAB and KIWI FARMS (your adversaries) CONTINUE TO COLLECT JUICY METADATA ON YOU.YOUR CHOICE, but it's not a PLEROMA issue. we already do the right thing.
(DIR) Post #9lpDoi8iwqQVn3xTpw by 1iceloops123@shitposter.club
2019-08-12T23:26:21.164317Z
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@kaniini @anna oh shit nigga
(DIR) Post #9lpDteh1Btg8Y2MBm4 by 1iceloops123@shitposter.club
2019-08-12T23:27:14.730743Z
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@kaniini @anna915532.jpg
(DIR) Post #9lpDuCTjZnFrKgP3my by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-08-12T23:27:18.012127Z
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@anna if you REALLY want to shoot for what's right, tell your buddy ben to stop LYING about what I said.
(DIR) Post #9lpDyLhREbvD5bn8KW by Julia@kiwifarms.cc
2019-08-12T23:28:04.697183Z
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@kaniini It's true, I track it based on whether or not it's phoneposting. LMAO imagine not using a VPN on mobile, your local ip range is still visible retard!(Pretty sure I'm instance blocked so someone screenshot and deliver this)
(DIR) Post #9lpE1wg4CyKMdvrgeW by anna@witches.live
2019-08-12T23:27:28Z
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@kaniini i trust that you're actually trying to fix this issue. i dont trust the other pleroma devs. i will admit i haven't even figured out what the hell the technical details of the argument are about. but its not the technical details of the argument that concern me, its how this is going down and the kinds of excuses being made to those who are concerned about it
(DIR) Post #9lpE1z895XyaFb18hE by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-08-12T23:28:42.369949Z
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@anna NOBODY is making excuses.You want EXCUSES? Ask EUGEN why his HOUSE OF CARDS is so flimsy that you have to WORRY about people who don't want to play along.
(DIR) Post #9lpE9qhmIUqUR8QyLg by anna@witches.live
2019-08-12T23:28:09Z
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@kaniini i will say this to @ben , it has been difficult for me to understand this because your characterization of it and what is actually going on does seem to mismatch
(DIR) Post #9lpE9tIMfRIeTBZDea by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-08-12T23:30:05.558066Z
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@anna @ben it mismatches on purpose, because he's a filthy liar and he sees yet another opportunity to maintain mastodon dominance on the network.
(DIR) Post #9lpEQJDc3KNPVFAna4 by cdmnky@pl.seedy.xyz
2019-08-12T23:33:04.579565Z
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@ben @violet @anna god damnit the pleroma devs have been gaslighting us this whole time haven't they
(DIR) Post #9lpETi9fnPb7i7x8Ea by Julia@kiwifarms.cc
2019-08-12T23:33:45.222329Z
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@kaniini @ben o dam shots fired
(DIR) Post #9lpEld6ZJKFdGE2q8m by MisterRogersSnapped@kiwifarms.cc
2019-08-12T23:37:00.061990Z
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@Julia @kaniini @ben As much as I feel that bun is kinda throwing Kiwi Farms around like a cudgel to scare their enemies, at least I can see their part of the conversation. That's ballsier than whoever they are arguing with. And I feel like I would even agree with them about this issue.That doesn't mean I like you. Is there anyone on the other side of this conversation that would be fun to play with? ;D
(DIR) Post #9lpEqtIuVhpKwuKIdc by alexa@fedi.absturztau.be
2019-08-12T23:37:57.099541Z
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@cdmnky @ben @anna @violet if you see the discussion on the F-Droid forum, it's not Ben Lubar who was the reasonable one. I'm with Kaniini on this one: go back to Mastodon, or better, go back to Twitter.
(DIR) Post #9lpEu7bFobKw9iRlzs by Julia@kiwifarms.cc
2019-08-12T23:38:31.926303Z
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@MisterRogersSnapped @ben @kaniini Basically all of Mastodon has defederated from Kiwi Farms anyway so idk.
(DIR) Post #9lpF03gdHGIXkxnGTI by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-08-12T23:39:34.570851Z
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@Julia @MisterRogersSnapped @ben it's an example. they are all afraid of XYZ group, yet they share their blocks with XYZ group.
(DIR) Post #9lpF6hPsTZhOiJ7hYW by MisterRogersSnapped@kiwifarms.cc
2019-08-12T23:40:48.541205Z
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@kaniini @Julia @ben Hey, I am not complaining. I get it. I know the rep of the places I enjoy hanging out in.We cool today, bun. I think you are right.
(DIR) Post #9lpFE3wx5z6Qcw6YPw by anna@witches.live
2019-08-12T23:32:08Z
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@kaniini @ben i gotta be real with you kaniini, getting mad that people dont trust the pleroma devs then turning around and saying that eugen is an out of control tyrant who has it out for pleroma isn't very... convincing
(DIR) Post #9lpFE6L8D3dG2VQtNo by anna@witches.live
2019-08-12T23:39:48Z
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@kaniini @ben the reasons you dont like eugen and dont trust him make sense, like youve been in the javascript mines having to deal with whatever he came up with for years now and its hard to not see him as a villain. that makes sense. but, it's also... not real. at worst he just doesnt give a shit, and indeed he's been rather candid that he just wants to make Mastodon how he wants to make Mastodon and he doesn't really have the time or patience for working groups or slowly working out things and getting in fights over how to paint the bikeshed constantly.
(DIR) Post #9lpFE8ddfDcnAU6hVY by anna@witches.live
2019-08-12T23:39:54Z
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@kaniini @ben i know enough about you to know that you're something of an iconoclast at times that will barge in and lay down the bunny law when said working groups start doing dumb shit, and as such, please be honest with yourself. a lot of your resentment for eugen is that you want to do what he does, in this arena. and that's like, fine, it's an enviable position he's in for someone as opinionated as you. but you gotta be honest with yourself about where that comes from.
(DIR) Post #9lpFEAaAR62JCIUxNI by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-08-12T23:41:57.065473Z
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@anna @ben i don't CARE what EUGEN does. my god, get the fuck out of my notifications with that.i don't see him as a "villain", i see him as someone who has been pressured into halfassing fake security features at the threat of lying shitheads like @ben cancelling him. i know this because i've been there and had to "fake it till i made it" with work before too.perhaps, you all should be honest with yourselves.
(DIR) Post #9lpFFqiFHYIE9T4sPA by MisterRogersSnapped@kiwifarms.cc
2019-08-12T23:42:27.923512Z
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@Julia @ben @kaniini Well I guess we could just alt-account our way through it. There isn't some kind of actual physical verification to be a user over there, is there? lol :/
(DIR) Post #9lpFNug4QNe0lVuCQq by ice@pleroma.site
2019-08-12T23:43:55.350266Z
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@kaniini @anna @ben kaniini? let anna take the blue pill.ef962d61ddd02b55cd4ee027db5fdba…
(DIR) Post #9lpGTAVd5f29Gh5k6C by anna@witches.live
2019-08-12T23:45:55Z
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@kaniini @ben i am honest about this: i really dont give a fuck if we use bandaids right now, in fact i demand it. there's no point in ripping off bandaids and being shitty about it until no work is being actively done to fundamentally fix the problem. but work is being done to fundamentally fix the problem. like we could have had an "ask nicely not to fetch if your instance is blocked" thing for years now but there's so much going on and on about how anything easily defeated isn't even worth making a default we're now in a shitty situation where years of posts are in instances that have been blocked for years all over the damn fedi
(DIR) Post #9lpGTDqIhGLpbfmnEe by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-08-12T23:56:03.073770Z
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@anna @ben i don't give a fuck if we use bandaids either in the absence of OCAP.that's not what i'm talking about.this is about user blocks.mastodon has to federate blocks instead of side effects. Pleroma supports this, just fine, by default.yes, it is possible (in several ways) to make Pleroma ignore blocks! it is also possible to make Mastodon ignore blocks!some people complain about there being an explicit config setting to disable the individual side effects imposed by the Block activity. but this is just normal Pleroma mantra.any side effect not explicitly imposed by the spec is configurable. it is just how we do things.what Ben doesn't tell you is that if you actually play with those knobs, we assume you know what you're doing and you're basically on your own.not to mention, you can also write an MRF to drop Block messages.you can also configure Pleroma to only process a narrower activity vocabulary (the one in the spec which does not include Block activities in S2S because the spec is somewhat clear about side effects only federating!).you can literally configure Pleroma (without using MRF) to drop all Create activities for example.and what I am saying is, when you, as a user, block asshole@kiwifarms.cc, Mastodon sends a Block message to asshole@kiwifarms.cc asking kiwifarms.cc to impose side effects on asshole@kiwifarms.cc including making it lie about the existence of your account.this is fundamentally BROKEN design.it is NOT okay to promise things to people that simply cannot be delivered on.but it's not Gargron's fault, now is it? no, it's all of the people who bully him until he gives in and releases a broken feature just to make you all go away.so, i stand by what i say. i encourage ben to continue with his campaign to split the network in two. PLEASE DO. the rest of us can get to work on solving these problems for real without having to support the BROKEN crap we have now.
(DIR) Post #9lpGWsNmQVPuCxBinQ by ice@pleroma.site
2019-08-12T23:56:44.960279Z
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@kaniini @anna @ben dude let it go.
(DIR) Post #9lpGyedF90y5fZfNyK by wolfcoder@witches.live
2019-08-12T23:53:11Z
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@anna @kaniini @ben I've seen a lot of envious developers, @kaniini is not one of them. she's also quite brutally honest, i mean, we've called her out for being brutally honest before if you haven't forgotten.
(DIR) Post #9lpGyg5zhbYoD27rQO by anna@witches.live
2019-08-13T00:01:09Z
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@wolfcoder @kaniini @ben i stand by that there is at least some truth to what i say even if im not exactly right, and it is not out of any animosity for kaniini, in fact quite the opposite. i know shes a good bun and wouldn't knowingly play into a bunch of nazi shithead talking points, but im getting the distinct feeling here that she's being manipulated into it.
(DIR) Post #9lpGyi8Y74nCXXKvgW by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-08-13T00:01:43.584309Z
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@anna @wolfcoder @ben i'm not being manipulated into SHIT.i'm the one who WROTE the talking points.
(DIR) Post #9lpHFcEpIWW7AUKjy4 by ice@pleroma.site
2019-08-13T00:04:49.404047Z
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@anna @wolfcoder @kaniini @ben "wouldn't knowingly play into a bunch of nazi shithead talking points" the opposite even better? since nazi is a over used word at this point.
(DIR) Post #9lpHY28bk46ChuCtpA by wolfcoder@witches.live
2019-08-13T00:01:55Z
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@anna @kaniini @ben I'm pretty sure she just got done telling you your concerns were unfounded?
(DIR) Post #9lpHY37w439hm6tsPo by wolfcoder@witches.live
2019-08-13T00:03:15Z
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@anna @kaniini @ben like, I'm all about pragmatism and getting things done, but relying on the target server to honor blocks is something that should've never left design.
(DIR) Post #9lpHY43ibDNOfJw1Ts by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-08-13T00:08:07.886223Z
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@wolfcoder @anna @ben well it's not even that. Pleroma does honor the blocks, by using the protocol primitives to do so.it does not have special code to handle blocks, because it's simply not needed -- if you try to follow someone again, the peering server rejects the follow request or ignores it.it's not needed because we do not have special code which checks everywhere that make the server lie to the blockee about whether accounts exist or not.does this mean that you can still view an account in Pleroma which blocked you? yes.but you can do so anyway, simply by logging out on Mastodon, or viewing the remote profile page.and sure, you can lock down your own node to not serve profile pages, but, you can't lock down everyone else's node. there's plenty of ways around it, and there's plenty of APIs where the protection is not properly implemented.i wasn't kidding when i said i could drop many CVEs tomorrow about this feature.and, bluntly, i'm not jealous or envious of Gargron. i've walked my path, i've done things that have meaning to me. this is just something i do for "fun".(because of bullshit like this, it's not fun anymore.)
(DIR) Post #9lpHmz2HYcqXQjNRAG by anna@witches.live
2019-08-13T00:06:45Z
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@kaniini @ben yes, i agree that asking nicely in a way that broadcasts the block isn't ideal, but i'd still rather have this than nothing. i'd still rather know someone is tinkering with their instance explicitly to ignore asking nicely than to just give up and make it the default.why everyone is hopped up about this is because there seems to be a concerned effort by a bunch of shitheads to remove even this right now before we get a proper system/model in place that doesn't involve broadcasting asking nicely. yes, its broken, but its all we have right now. build something better THEN remove the shitty version
(DIR) Post #9lpHn1FTKYaMIDZ008 by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-08-13T00:10:44.028936Z
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@anna @ben i've already specified how to build blocks that are safe. numerous times.Gargron's attachment to making Mastodon lie about whether accounts exist is why we live in this current situation.Pleroma simply processes Mastodon Block activities in the same way we process our own. So does Friendica, Hubzilla, et al.This isn't a Mastodon v. Pleroma thing. This is a Mastodon v. Fediverse thing.
(DIR) Post #9lpHsMGIdAvCudUpkG by ice@pleroma.site
2019-08-13T00:11:49.708652Z
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@kaniini @anna @ben i suggest get mastodon to leave the fediverse.
(DIR) Post #9lpI3wViCRsCWMEHS4 by anna@witches.live
2019-08-13T00:10:30Z
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@wolfcoder @kaniini @ben disagree. it sucks but its easy pending a better solution and will work most of the time because only shitheads will go out of their way to circumvent it. the problem is that, if i understand correctly, pleroma devs want to basically circumvent it out of the box because fuck mastodon
(DIR) Post #9lpI3yNHGmJaImIZaC by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-08-13T00:13:48.274054Z
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@anna @wolfcoder @ben you do not understand correctly.if we did not want to respect blocks from Mastodon, *gasp* we would simply not respect blocks from Mastodon.unsurprisingly, our blocks stay in the realm of reality, instead of fantasy land, because I'm not remotely interested in implementing insecure "security" features.Mastodon can continue to have broken blocking if it wants, I couldn't care less.but yes, you're right, I'm not going to buy into something that is broken.it doesn't mean that Pleroma blocks don't work in a way that is realistic for the fediverse at this time though.Ben owes me an apology; until then, I maintain he's a filthy opportunistic liar.
(DIR) Post #9lpIGWH93HgQv3Pf2O by ice@pleroma.site
2019-08-13T00:16:11.980897Z
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@kaniini @anna @ben @wolfcoder "I maintain he's a filthy opportunistic liar." then let him be
(DIR) Post #9lpIQ95Q7i21tZWE9A by ice@pleroma.site
2019-08-13T00:17:56.219383Z
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@kaniini @anna @ben @wolfcoder like i remember when pleroma started people where lying about it being for the alt right because it didn't have blocking and etc well sometime after that it does.
(DIR) Post #9lpIX1yQxz9vrYXB2W by anna@witches.live
2019-08-13T00:14:38Z
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@kaniini @ben and as such if this concern was coming from honest people with good goals, it would be "hey this sucks we need to implement something better, here's a proposal for how" but instead its being brought up in a way that is suspiciously in line with a bunch of goddessawful nazi assholes who are by now absolute experts at pulling this kind of shit where they feign concern about something to get what they actually want, which is, in this case, to make the fediverse less safesure YOU want to fix it properly, but i guarantee you the nazi fucks whispering in lain's ear don't
(DIR) Post #9lpIX3dwl7xZ2axqNs by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-08-13T00:19:03.723091Z
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@anna @ben nobody is whispering in anyone's ear.i'm the one who wrote all of the block handling code, and i'm the one who made it configurable.i know why i made it configurable: it is our policy to make all side effects not explicitly documented in the AP spec configurable.i know this because i also instilled that mantra.i don't know who opened the bug over on mastodon gitlab about blocks federating, but they weren't a pleroma dev.and, either way, they have a point. whether they have an agenda that is different than mine is irrelevant -- they have a point, and i pointed out that their point is valid.i've also explained multiple times how to do federated blocking safely.and, frankly, if you are just operating from the assumption that everyone on the pleroma team is a nazi other than me, then you can fuck off like the other kid i called out.
(DIR) Post #9lpIkmgWbgfgV1iQ3E by wolfcoder@witches.live
2019-08-13T00:13:44Z
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@anna @kaniini @ben I do agree only shitheads will go out of their way to circumvent it, that is precisely the problem we have been having recently. a nazi problem. a shithead problem.
(DIR) Post #9lpIkprGoC36LDlXiS by wolfcoder@witches.live
2019-08-13T00:17:34Z
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@anna @kaniini @ben and from what she has explained, its not actually going to circumvent anything?
(DIR) Post #9lpIksecPgiB0qryue by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-08-13T00:21:34.020766Z
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@wolfcoder @anna @ben the only thing is "circumvents" is the fact that mastodon makes a half-assed attempt to hide accounts which blocked you from being visible to you.mastodon, incidentally, is alone in doing this.no other fediverse software does this, because when you start making software lie to users, you have to keep track of every point where it must lie.
(DIR) Post #9lpK9oMDcqdYsdiOYK by anna@witches.live
2019-08-13T00:34:03Z
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@kaniini @ben @wolfcoder ok i found some of the original shit this comes from and like, im sorry but i disagree. block should not be mute 2. you dont block someone because you dont want to see their shit, you block them because you don't want them seeing your shit either. and yes this is VERY difficult to securely achieve on the fediverse and there will never be a solution to keep someone from opening someone's profile to see their public posts in an incognito (or just new) tab. but there's also absolutely a ton of harassment and obnoxiousness from pleroma instances that toggle off respecting blocks that perfectly demonstrate why having that isnt great
(DIR) Post #9lpK9uDvoZZb4fsrT6 by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-08-13T00:37:20.582151Z
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@anna @ben @wolfcoder you block people because you no longer wish to interact with them. that means they don't get to follow you.that doesn't mean that the software lies about your account existing.that also doesn't mean people are just "toggling off" the block function.and since now you're grouping software by harassment, until you admit that GAB runs MASTODON, stop mentioning me at all.
(DIR) Post #9lpKO7gQZKqGsAzYhM by anna@witches.live
2019-08-13T00:39:02Z
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@kaniini @ben @wolfcoder gab runs mastodon. i have my (many) issues with mastodon too but eugen isn't going around making a show of how easy it is to configure mastodon to enable antisocial asshole behavior at the moment, either
(DIR) Post #9lpKOE1D0z1wWMlEvI by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-08-13T00:39:55.887307Z
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@anna @ben @wolfcoder nobody is making a show about the fact that you can configure pleroma to reject block activities. again, more lies.
(DIR) Post #9lpKTRUoKjd7li5wPI by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-08-13T00:40:55.470531Z
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@anna @ben @wolfcoder when you want to stop gaslighting me, we can talk.in the meantime, i know precisely what pleroma devs have said on this issue, i read everything about it. none of the pleroma devs did anything wrong.otherwise i think i am going to block you.
(DIR) Post #9lpKcULf66eFDn83X6 by anna@witches.live
2019-08-13T00:37:25Z
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@kaniini @ben @wolfcoder so yes please bring on OCAP and better solutions, but in the meantime smuglo and gamelibertyclub and fse shitheads are a pretty dire demonstration of why easy access to disabling or circumventing is a terrible idea pending that
(DIR) Post #9lpKcZ1dhybRj8ndWC by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-08-13T00:42:32.178730Z
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@anna @ben @wolfcoder smugloli runs OTP releases. OTP releases respect blocks. it is not possible to make an OTP release ignore blocks, as it is a compile-time configuration setting.
(DIR) Post #9lpKrIZv8lVt3qrPCy by alexa@fedi.absturztau.be
2019-08-13T00:45:14.913429Z
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@annaGamelibertyclub is a Mastodon instance, genius.@kaniini @ben @wolfcoder
(DIR) Post #9lpKw1g5P5Xa5ozxzs by anna@witches.live
2019-08-13T00:44:25Z
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@kaniini @ben @wolfcoder maybe you don't experience this problem, i don't know, but to be honest here, it isn't gab users sucking people into gigantic hellthreads full of godawful nazi dipshits. sure they're incompetent boomer dipwads but there are more competent shitheads running mastodon instances but even so, it is very rare to see people on shitty mastodon instances going off in these hellthreads because it takes a lot more hard modification to make it as easy to harass like this as pleroma doesand if im being honest with you, this is probably the biggest problem i have with pleroma and why i wouldn't switch w.l to it even if it was one button
(DIR) Post #9lpLIw4eP8vfNDPdQm by anna@witches.live
2019-08-13T00:49:17Z
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@alexa @kaniini @ben @wolfcoder i didn't really say it was exclusive to pleroma either, but i will further clarify that the way pleroma's timelines work and the way one just... uses pleroma fe lends to reading a lot of random conversation bits that people on the instance are involved in, and that combined with a few key instances flat out ignoring blocks is where these hellthreads come from. i never see these threads start on gamelibertyclub and i don't see them as often as other examples, they were at the tip of my tongue here because i just recently saw a post by someone from there.
(DIR) Post #9lpLIyy1eEPcLXKt1M by alexa@fedi.absturztau.be
2019-08-13T00:50:14.206938Z
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@annaHellthreads have nothing to do with ignoring blocks@kaniini @ben @wolfcoder
(DIR) Post #9lpLOO040I5rQrrkCu by alexa@fedi.absturztau.be
2019-08-13T00:51:14.177788Z
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@anna @ben @kaniini @wolfcoderOh and FYI, you can reply to posts of people who block you on Mastodon, too.
(DIR) Post #9lpLZe0CqcwmFRIiKu by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-08-13T00:53:15.148645Z
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@anna @alexa @ben @wolfcoder a few key instances, like who?the one pleroma instance you mention runs the official binaries. you cannot change any of the config options that would result in blocks being ignored by running official binaries, because it is a compile-time setting, and it’s already compiled.what are they doing? writing an MRF plugin to drop blocks?are they in a smoke-filled room somewhere plotting how to ruin your day?get over yourself.
(DIR) Post #9lpLg8BnWh53bnoeDQ by Julia@kiwifarms.cc
2019-08-13T00:54:25.860144Z
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@MisterRogersSnapped @ben @kaniini No.
(DIR) Post #9lpM02vsmRAJ64rsMy by terryenglish@social.librem.one
2019-08-13T00:58:01Z
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@Julia It's the ongoing quintessential #fediverse argument going on: we're a group of social networks but how best do we block and prevent people from interacting with us.
(DIR) Post #9lpMJMkdJrzu46oo9w by anna@witches.live
2019-08-13T00:58:09Z
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@alexa @kaniini @ben @wolfcoder yeah it's A Problem which is why im not keen on the idea of promoting circumvention of it to make shit worse pending OCAP or whatever. this also seems to be why kaniini seems to think this is a bid for the Mastodon Network or whatever as the fundamental conflict as mastodon users being frusturated that pleroma instances often dont just play along is being taken as megalomania.what i want, and i think what even ben and all of us want, is the software to work as we expect when it comes to safety, and having different opinions on what bandaids get there is causing real problems in the meantime that's getting everyone worked up
(DIR) Post #9lpMJOHdcdzaolGgF6 by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-08-13T01:01:29.561177Z
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@anna @alexa @ben @wolfcoder the only Problem here is that you are continuing to bother me with this shit.
(DIR) Post #9lpMLhxlQReoQp4qG0 by alexa@fedi.absturztau.be
2019-08-13T01:01:57.153335Z
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@annaMy point is thata. Pleroma isn’t any worse than Mastodonb. If you don’t want people you don’t like to reply to your posts set them as followers-only or DM’s, not as:Public, as:Public is not as:PeopleIHaventBlocked.@kaniini @ben @wolfcoder
(DIR) Post #9lpMQYixCdexE3SlSi by anna@witches.live
2019-08-13T01:01:52Z
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@kaniini @alexa @ben @wolfcoder my apologies i havent done an exhaustive study of obnoxious dogpile hellthreads and cant shit out raw data on demand, but its a real phenomenon ive experienced and seen other people express frustration with as well. how it works is a bunch of conversation fragments show up in pleroma fe's local/fedi tl (or whatever, but i suspect it's usually that) and a bunch of people start joining in even though its a server not federated with the opthere is a concerned interest who wants to keep this status quo, and yes i do believe they take opportunities to preserve or regress to it whenever possible
(DIR) Post #9lpMQaJVIEUS9hZT4S by alexa@fedi.absturztau.be
2019-08-13T01:02:49.149274Z
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@annaIf it's a server not federated with the op what's the issue? Let people have their discussion.@kaniini @ben @wolfcoder
(DIR) Post #9lpMT8X72LFyrf9ZDc by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-08-13T01:03:16.817890Z
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@anna @alexa @ben @wolfcoder yes, everyone who thinks that mastodon scopes are stupid is clearly a nazi.i think mastodon scopes are stupid, so based on that, i guess i'm a nazi
(DIR) Post #9lpMYf75KdF3MGc7lo by a7@skippers-bin.com
2019-08-13T01:04:16.228Z
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@kaniini@pleroma.site @anna@witches.live @alexa@fedi.absturztau.be @ben@mastodon.lubar.me @wolfcoder@witches.live literally hitler
(DIR) Post #9lpMaTkeXtROhPzIzg by anna@witches.live
2019-08-13T01:04:17Z
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@kaniini @alexa @ben @wolfcoder i think we're both worked up and need to cool down, i have some things i need to do. please know i love and respect you and the work you do. i still like pleroma but im mad at it right now. :blobheartcat: im sorry this got so heated
(DIR) Post #9lpNhKeCtNqkRenw8G by sim@shitposter.club
2019-08-13T01:17:03.455503Z
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@anna @alexa @kaniini Welcome to my world. When I used GS/qvitter which had software behaviours I had come to expect, and then along came mastodon basically shitting on that. Creating problems for federation and changing the general atmosphere. Even scopes didn't show up on GS thus breaking how the threads looked. From where I sat, I watched mastodon going their own way and pleroma would add similar features but with a twist to be compliant with them. How much has mastodon really tried to reciprocate that? Why does it always seem one-sided? I'm happy to be proven wrong but what has mastodon done to work like users on other federation softwares expect?
(DIR) Post #9lpPIESWxm2LvAVCGe by ice@pleroma.site
2019-08-13T01:34:56.906611Z
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@sim @anna @alexa @kaniini i remember when mastodon laggged some instances to its knees.
(DIR) Post #9lpPaIf059UoAAwyCO by roka@aria.company
2019-08-13T01:38:11.100217Z
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@kaniini @anna @alexa @ben @wolfcoder fyi GNU/Smug implements HellthreadPolicy to prevent smug lolis from being able to participate in hellthreads. Nepu finds it annoying, you see.Posting from this alt in hopes @anna sees it because I'm pretty sure it wouldn't work from my main lol
(DIR) Post #9lpPf0cyYRNTgSFTaC by alexa@fedi.absturztau.be
2019-08-13T01:39:03.648845Z
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@rokaPretty sure witches.live blocks aria.company@kaniini @anna @ben @wolfcoder
(DIR) Post #9lpPfxgYykIuqfNfrk by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-08-13T01:39:11.626544Z
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@roka @alexa @anna @ben @wolfcoder so, let me get this straight.not only does smugloli run official binaries, you also run a plugin which disallows hellthreads.
(DIR) Post #9lpPltZXBXLBpQvG08 by ice@pleroma.site
2019-08-13T01:40:18.605273Z
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@kaniini @roka @alexa @anna @ben @wolfcoder explains lot when i can't tag 100s of users
(DIR) Post #9lpPygJfmUq8TsbHsG by roka@aria.company
2019-08-13T01:42:36.272882Z
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@kaniini @alexa @anna @ben @wolfcoder yepwew.jpg
(DIR) Post #9lpQ7fpUxaFzZsm4JM by roka@aria.company
2019-08-13T01:44:14.304347Z
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@alexa @anna @ben @kaniini @wolfcoder the monsters lol. i'd post shocking_truth.tga but I don't have it here, have this Chaika instead617b65c983801501ad2ad2aabc356ee…
(DIR) Post #9lpQkV8sd4xRj1M2CG by rin@patch.cx
2019-08-13T01:51:13.992707Z
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@kaniini I agree with the point, but respecting blocks looks like a runtime setting to me https://git.pleroma.social/pleroma/pleroma/blob/develop/lib/pleroma/web/activity_pub/transmogrifier.ex#L719
(DIR) Post #9lpQq8rcNB76MpyBsm by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-08-13T01:52:15.599410Z
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@rin honestly those settings should just go away. anyone who really wants this should use MRF.
(DIR) Post #9lpR4Ht1ciKyPANCKm by 1iceloops123@shitposter.club
2019-08-13T01:54:50.117619Z
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@roka @alexa @anna @ben @kaniini @wolfcodershocking truth.gif
(DIR) Post #9lpUubtGnIApMo828e by anna@witches.live
2019-08-12T23:41:45Z
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TO BE FAIR its a "complicated" issue that ~both sides~ are lying about but im REALLY REALLY SUSPICIOUS of why this reaction, why now
(DIR) Post #9lpUucq7GVFGJJf1rU by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-08-13T02:37:52.717916Z
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@anna no. the only liar here is ben. i expect an apology.
(DIR) Post #9lpVVhRT7GYTIcoJ7o by anna@witches.live
2019-08-13T02:43:23Z
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@kaniini we still need to cool down morei reviewed some of the things we said and we were both talking past each other grinding our own axes, nothing productive will come out of continuing in that manner
(DIR) Post #9lpVVigOVG5X9Cnk1o by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-08-13T02:44:34.758529Z
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@anna i'm perfectly fine. i'm not angry, i am just disappointed. but either way, ben lied and he needs to apologize.
(DIR) Post #9lpW5PwBfueBR2D6O0 by anna@witches.live
2019-08-13T02:46:22Z
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@kaniini that is on ben, who i believe uses they/them (or guild/war2) pronouns
(DIR) Post #9lpW5R8HERub8osGrw by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-08-13T02:51:01.731423Z
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@anna besides i literally just removed the evil config setting anyway, and the 1.0.5 release will as well, simply because it's obsolete -- we no longer need the ability to turn off accepting block messages in an emergency, and anyone who really wants this can simply write their own plugin to do it.honestly, this whole thing is stupid.but you're right, we're not good right now. i am quite upset with you.and, no amount of "chill out" period is going to resolve that. you owe lain and several others an apology too for implying they are nazis.
(DIR) Post #9lpWDgkD4UsjsRYHRI by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-08-13T02:52:31.848010Z
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@anna like, i am beyond disappointed by that.it is not very witchy to buy into group think and make conclusions based on that group think. witches seek gnosis. supporting and sharing lies is the direct opposite of gnosis.
(DIR) Post #9lpWJUuFzupAtr1O52 by mal@witches.live
2019-08-12T23:47:06Z
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@kaniini @anna I fail to see how allowing people to just ignore mastodon's (yes imperfect) blocking functions improves anyone's security
(DIR) Post #9lpWJVv0Ed102SNUsi by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-08-13T02:43:03.302761Z
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@mal @anna you imply that the config option exists for this explicit purpose. it does not.i know why the config option exists, because i added it. i added it as an escape hatch while we were testing the block code, so that if it broke on anyone's instance or behaved in a way that was unexpected, it could be turned off quickly.also, it is mostly pointless, at this time, anyway, because anyone who wishes to actually drop Block activities can simply write an MRF policy to do so.accordingly, i have already opened an MR that removes the config option, as it is redundant anyway.
(DIR) Post #9lpWJXAdZz7DvEhUtE by karolat@stereophonic.space
2019-08-13T02:53:35.252803Z
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@kaniini wait what config option are you taking out :blobfearful:
(DIR) Post #9lpWMOQ0Zla5eAFlvE by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-08-13T02:54:05.791427Z
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@karolat accept_blocks. use MRF instead.
(DIR) Post #9lpWZ0lJqBHK2iEphw by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-08-13T02:56:18.301678Z
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@anna and i mean, i'm sure this stings a bit, but you have to admit that nobody in salem was burned alive for being with the crowd.
(DIR) Post #9lpWd6ChYCVg4tzm0u by karolat@stereophonic.space
2019-08-13T02:57:09.109921Z
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@kaniini wait why is it getting removed though? :blobcatumm:
(DIR) Post #9lpWh7y8vhPUi96g1w by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-08-13T02:57:50.999508Z
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@karolat because you can use MRF to block them instead. it is more efficient to use MRF, anyway.
(DIR) Post #9lpWvfawhqo73PBt6O by karolat@stereophonic.space
2019-08-13T03:00:30.351717Z
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@kaniini can you leave it please? i use that...image.png
(DIR) Post #9lpWyZaTUzNpI4M3MG by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-08-13T03:01:00.895470Z
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@karolat no. write an MRF policy instead. it will take like 5 minutes or less.
(DIR) Post #9lpX3QBjs5RhaW635k by karolat@stereophonic.space
2019-08-13T03:01:54.573498Z
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@kaniini idk how :blobcatgooglycry:
(DIR) Post #9lpX49WXJbouC3AnFw by anna@witches.live
2019-08-13T03:00:03Z
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@kaniini i never called lain a nazi and certainly not you. i do think you both fell for a rhetorical trap they set, lain more than you.you might (definitely) know more than me when it comes to technical matters, but ive been very much around the block with the disingenuous bullshit the alt-reich does and this reeks of it. there's clearly a few people who know what buttons to press to make discourse like this explode and they hammered it. i do apologize for engaging and speaking carelessly past the issue like i said would happen at the beginning and yet i did it anyway
(DIR) Post #9lpX49ytcAVNc0RRSa by wolfcoder@witches.live
2019-08-13T03:01:20Z
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@anna @kaniini you said they were acting "mask off" implying not only that they were nazis but that they always were and were just hiding
(DIR) Post #9lpXBEUFGFpjc4Tf8K by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-08-13T03:03:13.509141Z
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@wolfcoder @anna precisely.
(DIR) Post #9lpXDu1FodHH0EBqzY by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-08-13T03:03:47.202749Z
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@karolat i'm sure the one floating around that tells people when blocks happen will be inspiring.
(DIR) Post #9lpXEpsOhieiRYUbEu by roka@pl.smuglo.li
2019-08-13T03:03:57.713933Z
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@kaniini @karolat you said it's now broken too, no?
(DIR) Post #9lpXKDX0BPzxFv3EGG by karolat@stereophonic.space
2019-08-13T03:04:56.504004Z
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@kaniini no i hate that thing. please don't remove it--if it's less efficient that's my problem...
(DIR) Post #9lpXNqB8wvCjzHYRvc by alexa@fedi.absturztau.be
2019-08-13T03:05:35.176385Z
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@karolatYou Nazi...@kaniini
(DIR) Post #9lpXZML5iZPMuthTYu by 8636.Rude@kys.moe
2019-08-13T03:07:39.280786Z
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@wolfcoder @kaniini @anna uh oh you gonna get unpersoned :AAAface:
(DIR) Post #9lpXhKHdFGAQrDsgkq by anna@witches.live
2019-08-13T03:07:03Z
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@kaniini that said, i would request that you exercise care in dismissing others' concerns. ben is not an out of control brainwormed SJW or whatever, they have legitimate concerns about the safety of the platform and are quite involved in doing modifications to Mastodon and increasing their understanding of it.whether they apologize to you or whatever is their perogative, but ben, and my, concern over this issue isn't really a technical tabs-vs-spaces thing, or empty whining to ~do something~ or whatever you've convinced yourself, either. i know im personally fuckin fried by banging pots and pans about this issue while having little agency in getting it
(DIR) Post #9lpXhL9rzbYJZRG0IK by anna@witches.live
2019-08-13T03:07:10Z
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@kaniini fixed, and arguing endlessly with people who think that opening in a new tab means you shouldn't try to do anything. y'all are gonna (and did) hit raw nerve doing anything that even looks like taking away what little protection we DO have, no matter what the underlying technical issue or argument is about
(DIR) Post #9lpXhLxqzlXE4SdvCi by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-08-13T03:09:00.038895Z
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@anna the config option was a vestige anyway. as is observable, MRF can do anything it wants with blocks anyway, including dropping them. anyone who actually uses this config option, i am sure, will find alternative solutions. either way, it makes all of this Not My Problem.
(DIR) Post #9lpXz6WH9ofbNlCwZk by anna@witches.live
2019-08-13T03:11:06Z
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@kaniini i am glad you did the right thing in that regard, i mean yes the way federation works is insecure as all hell but creeps should have to at least work for it a little
(DIR) Post #9lpXz7avA1yoiSOASG by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-08-13T03:12:18.697515Z
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@anna i didn't do it because of *you*, i did it because MRF superceded that feature.if we have a 'contrib' module repository and someone contributes a module that ignores blocks, i will accept it.
(DIR) Post #9lpY3ioaiZFzJNybpY by dirb@social.beepboop.ga
2019-08-13T03:13:06.522908Z
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@kaniini @karolat I don't think you can replicate the full behavior of that with just MRF, do MRF distingue between incoming and outgoing activities, what if I just want to block outgoing ones but not incoming? also, how could you code "deny_follow_blocked: false" on a MRF?
(DIR) Post #9lpYDGga9kbexymZXM by Ricotta@pl.765racing.com
2019-08-13T03:14:53.301799Z
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@karolat @kaniini Because it upsets his faggot friends.
(DIR) Post #9lpZ1frcopGBXAz16m by anna@witches.live
2019-08-13T03:22:52Z
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@kaniini i wouldn't even presuppose you did it for me :dvalul: i know you better than that!like what im hoping you'll pick up on is that sometimes things have weird consequences you have to address and more to the point, sometimes if you don't pay attention you can get manipulated into doing something for the benefit of shitheads using your own ethos to compel you. but this is about something entirely different to you than it is to me so i dont have high hopes for that either.
(DIR) Post #9lpZ1gt50u1Ahyfh0y by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-08-13T03:23:50.446014Z
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@anna i have a doctorate in psychology. if there's anything i know, it's when people are manipulating me.
(DIR) Post #9lpZByuCsS0XUE6bLc by wolfcoder@witches.live
2019-08-13T03:10:29Z
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@anna @kaniini but that's the thing, it wasn't actually that but only looked that way because it was framed that way for whatever open source politics reasons I don't care about, she can't really help it when someone else misrepresents her
(DIR) Post #9lpZC036cqij27HDrE by anna@witches.live
2019-08-13T03:25:14Z
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@wolfcoder and @kaniini is subnoticing about witches while arguing with me and then revealing its more about ben when i reply, so she who is without misdirected subtootnotice can throw the first stone here ;P
(DIR) Post #9lpZC124y9Ue5Dnutc by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-08-13T03:25:44.394950Z
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@anna @wolfcoder its about you, as well. i was unhappy with the whole mask off bullshit.
(DIR) Post #9lpZX8Kn15FEoJcqIK by anna@witches.live
2019-08-13T03:28:37Z
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@kaniini @wolfcoder i was unhappy with shit lain was saying and unhappy that you seemed to be going along with it. i do apologize for how extra it was.
(DIR) Post #9lpZX9FVcCcBeEA8hc by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-08-13T03:29:34.218604Z
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@anna @wolfcoder what lain says is valid, however. some people (the people who write pleroma specifically) need to make the server behave according to spec.if it wasn't obvious by now, we're writing this for our own use. any other people who install the software i really feel sorry for.
(DIR) Post #9lpZZ8BWXjVmvUFC4G by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-08-13T03:30:01.885466Z
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@anna @wolfcoder this DOES NOT mean that we run in production this way.
(DIR) Post #9lpbAQ3v8dDX2a22sq by anna@witches.live
2019-08-13T03:36:04Z
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@kaniini @wolfcoder the thing is there, i've seen this bullshit a million times. a bunch of people write a spec based on theory in what is basically a clean room, it doesnt play out as written after entering production because of course it doesn't, then some yahoo comes along and uses "but the spec" to argue for some stupid fucking awful thing to be put in nobody but them (and maybe their fellow shitheads) wantsim giving lain the benefit of the doubt because its very likely someone talked them into using the spec as an excuse, but this is why alarm bells went off so quickly
(DIR) Post #9lpbAR8DAAFAMB2zD6 by wolfcoder@witches.live
2019-08-13T03:40:46Z
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@anna @kaniini if your software doesn't behave in precisely predictable ways, it can't be compatible with anything else
(DIR) Post #9lpbASKIihVa3xi9h2 by anna@witches.live
2019-08-13T03:43:53Z
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@wolfcoder @kaniini when nobody follows the spec because it doesn't fit real world usage needs it's also, if not worse, than worthless. and that's what the larger argument is fundamentally about, reverting to spec vs adapting to real world use in response pending a real solution. as peoples' safety hangs in the balance, it got heated.
(DIR) Post #9lpbATZa5NKDvdrs9I by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-08-13T03:47:48.235852Z
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@anna @wolfcoder if people's safety hangs in the balance, then the features their safety depend on should be robust.note that i am not against federating the side effects of blocks, but we will have to agree to disagree on as:Public posts.i don't think that software should attempt to do things that are bypassed trivially. that's not safety, that's a handjob.
(DIR) Post #9lpbfVccW8xnGE5T0K by anna@witches.live
2019-08-13T03:52:04Z
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@kaniini @wolfcoder i agree we shouldn't lean on easily circumvented measures to do heavy lifting, but aint nothin doin no lifting at the present timeespecially in this case there's already the expectation that if you block someone they can log out or whatever, we all (unfortunately) used twitter. but i also remember how twitter got infinitely better (well, less godawful) when people you blocked couldn't casually see your shit anymore. there's tangible benefit to the smokescreen even if it is just a smokescreen.
(DIR) Post #9lpbfWWd9tla3wICJ6 by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-08-13T03:53:31.166856Z
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@anna @wolfcoder but if you're blocked, then you can't see the posts in Pleroma anyway.the only difference, literally, is that Pleroma does not pretend that the account does not exist.your posts DO get filtered out of threads, timelines, etc.
(DIR) Post #9lpbr6R7yvzIcnEwPg by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-08-13T03:55:41.428931Z
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@anna @wolfcoder i mean, i should clarify. if you go to a blocker's profile, then you can view their posts there.*but* in terms of normal interactions, the posts get filtered out. there's even several tests in the testsuite that verify this. i know, because i wrote them.
(DIR) Post #9lpbzYpiHv0P0mlyU4 by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-08-13T03:57:12.597519Z
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@anna @wolfcoder this is why i am quite angry with ben. they entirely misrepresented both my position and the facts. they continue to misrepresent both of these things when describing why my instance is blocked.if they wish to block my instance, fine, i don't give a shit about that, but don't block it while lying about my instance ignoring blocks.
(DIR) Post #9lpchUNCEOkPvANfDk by anna@witches.live
2019-08-13T03:59:12Z
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@kaniini @wolfcoder it keeps coming up that mastodon "pretends the user doesn't exist" is this more referring to the backend or frontend? because it should be as if that person doesn't exist to the blockee. if you go to that person's profile, however, it DOES tell you that you are blocked (or in witches' case "there is a ward preventing your passage" but wards are consistently blocks throughout the UI ANYWAY thats besides the point) like it doesn't act the same way as if a profile is deleted or doesn't exist
(DIR) Post #9lpchVMAZhWKyGuMG8 by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-08-13T04:05:08.968839Z
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@anna @wolfcoder the API is inconsistent. note that my understanding of this behaviour is based on *checks notes* Mastodon 2.1, which was the last version of Mastodon I used on a regular basis. maybe Gargron has improved it.either way, in casual interactions -- threads, user timelines, blocked users are hidden from those. it is just like Mastodon, AFAIK. the only difference i can think about is that posts which MENTION blocked users don't always disappear (there's some complex logic in the SQL query there which controls the filtering)the only difference is that a blocked user on pleroma does not have their profile page restricted.and no, i'm not going to change that, because i find it pointless.and, all of this is observable, in these hellthreads you complain about. when blocks happen, what you see isn't person B responding to person A, but instead person B responding to person C with A still tagged in.so, these are the facts, and ben needs to stop lying.
(DIR) Post #9lpp9ahvTMqV7oF9YO by anna@witches.live
2019-08-13T04:16:26Z
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@kaniini @wolfcoder does mastodon hide mentions of people who have you blocked? i know you can still see like, threads you look at or whatever but i have noticed catching less conversation fragments with weirdos who have it out for me so so maybe it does do that. it IS really nice, as someone who rarely blocks but is blocked by a lot of weirdos i'd rather not be reminded exist every time they talk to one of my friends.but yeah that's why those threads end up fucked up dogpiles, is someone on a shitty instance gets involved replying to someone on a moderately questionable instance and other shitty instancers see it and then shit gets all fucky
(DIR) Post #9lpp9aughv3PlODLRg by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-08-13T06:24:34.966242Z
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@anna @wolfcoder i don't know if it does or not. pleroma makes an attempt to do so.
(DIR) Post #9lppE2y6LDmLvtvy5I by wolfcoder@witches.live
2019-08-13T03:33:04Z
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@anna @kaniini someone misrepresented her work and a bunch of people she thought were friends joined in on the bullying when she just wanted to create stuff for fun.to top it off, now both of you are fighting in a way I'm not sure you'll be friends with each other in the endthis hit a little close to my heart.
(DIR) Post #9lppGWHuIrX1RdNRhI by anna@witches.live
2019-08-13T03:38:38Z
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@wolfcoder i hope @kaniini understands that i love and respect her and i extremely definitely want to keep being friends
(DIR) Post #9lppoq3zHiokchENRQ by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-08-13T06:32:00.632022Z
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@anna @wolfcoder i would like this as well, but keep in mind that i have feelings and i found this block discourse to be absolutely gutting, considering that i went to pretty serious lengths to ensure that blocks function quite robustly in Pleroma.i feel like giving up on all of this, a lot of the time, because people whose opinions i actually *respect* start shitting on us.i don't think that you people truly understand the damage you are doing to my mental health when you do stuff like this.the channers? i can take their shit all day, because i don't give a shit.
(DIR) Post #9lpqM14pMEisKyRapk by anna@witches.live
2019-08-13T06:36:08Z
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@kaniini @wolfcoder friendly fire feels awful and this is no exception. we managed to hit each other's frayed nerves and i think everyone involved has things to learn to do better going forward
(DIR) Post #9lpqM1OgAQbPKXjRmC by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-08-13T06:38:00.678624Z
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@anna @wolfcoder no. this is not what i mean.what i mean is this: working on Pleroma was at one point fun for me.you guys have made me dread even touching it.that's not the channers. that's you.
(DIR) Post #9lpqo2iaqfcvXJPNTM by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-08-13T06:43:08.667745Z
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@anna @wolfcoder what @ben did is well beyond anything any of the channers, or even any of the kiwifarms crowd have ever done.lately, because of you guys and your constant cancellations, i honestly don't want to work on fediverse software anymore. i get feelings of existential dread when even doing reviews. i feel drained of all energy when doing even basic maintenance of Pleroma.this is you. this is why i made it clear that i was considering suing Ben, because i've had enough.
(DIR) Post #9lps9h4Y6kcUjBZ8gy by yuduki@aria.company
2019-08-13T06:58:20.361207Z
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@kaniini wtf i love @anna @ben @wolfcoder now
(DIR) Post #9lpsDcyHIWaHAOVZnE by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-08-13T06:58:55.085276Z
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@anna @ben @wolfcoder this whole thing was ridiculous.all of this over a config setting that is meaningless.a config setting, that, for almost all cases, did not compromise anyone's safety, because nobody changed the setting. a config setting which was enabled by default, and, according to our own metrics data, only disabled by 2 instances (neither of which were mentioned at all by you).over this config setting, touched by an entire of 2 instances:- i was called a nazi by several dozen people (largely because of your "mask off" post)- i was told my friends were nazis *by you* and several others- i was told my friends were being manipulated by nazis (no they weren't, i wrote the damn code in question, so i think i would know why i wrote it)- i saw some fuckwit say they were completely embarassed to use Pleroma because it's "dev team were unethical"- what i said earlier was completely misrepresented (leading to an entire discourse about how it was misrepresented, with people attacking and defending shit they thought i said)i had respect for you and ben, but i don't know if i do anymore.i've spent the past two fucking years of my life and all of my savings to try to make this work.i don't have anything but this.people wonder why it cuts deep when they fuck around like this? this is why. there is NOTHING but this.and all of you are willing to let my efforts burn to the ground, for your own amusement.THAT is the truth. this isn't about justice, it isn't about safety, it's about SPORT.
(DIR) Post #9lpuPBURUvp3JoBvhA by anna@witches.live
2019-08-13T07:16:42Z
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@kaniini @ben @wolfcoder i dont want to see bad shit happen to you. i dont want to see bad shit happen to pleroma. but its extremely frusturating to be dealing with a post-gab-post-kf fediverse and scrambling to keep us safe then suddenly lain is posting a bunch of dogwhistles seemingly at the behest of some of the sealion fucks that hover around the pleroma project. i agree a bunch of people need to like, chill the fuck out a lot and stop playing cancellation games. but also not everyone with a grievance is doing that either. ben was legitimately concerned about something. i interpereted lain as caving on my pet concern to appease edgelords.
(DIR) Post #9lpuPBeisi2tph08ie by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-08-13T07:23:26.643125Z
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@anna @ben @wolfcoder i have a simpler explanation: people decided to start a fight and lain paniced and that's all he had as an explanation on the top of his head, because he didn't write any of the code in question, but somebody had to say something.we warned for 2 years this is coming. why is it security suddenly now a concern post-gab-post-KF?if people are legitimately concerned, then maybe they should inquire about their concerns rather than assume bad faith.i certainly didn't blow all of this time and money on the fediverse just to have what we're building ruined simply because some instances showed up that weren't invited to the party.nobody caved on anything, but people are tired of prosecuting this every fucking day.right now, i'm busy dealing with some seriously fucked up shit, so i can't immediately deal with every crisis personally.be understanding and don't jump to conclusions simply because you get a response you find to be lame.
(DIR) Post #9lpvOcqSPHfnp6mnKa by shin@patch.cx
2019-08-13T07:34:39.158879Z
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@kaniini @anna @ben Let the client manage its own filters. If you feel the need to block someone, why should you also have to tell them you blocked them? Blocks should be like mutes.
(DIR) Post #9lpz5RdYFo17NOrJMe by anna@witches.live
2019-08-13T08:09:24Z
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@kaniini @ben @wolfcoder the reason ben and i both were set off was because what was being said, esp by lain, made it sound like pleroma considers keeping people safe secondary. the technical aspect of it is, at most, half the issue.im always fighting with people who think we should just let people get fucked pending The One True Solution (or never because right click new window 🙄) and its tiring. i felt like with authenticated fetch and more coming this could finally end. but then lain says shit that comes off as wanting to dial things back to "match spec" --and oh god stop writing a reply rehashing the technical
(DIR) Post #9lpz5RoXawo7vU05Ue by anna@witches.live
2019-08-13T08:09:40Z
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@kaniini @ben @wolfcoder argument thats not what this is about--which just sounds like an excuse to make things shittyso yes i understand now that that's not the case. but im someone close who doesn't want to shit on pleroma and this set me off, it's probably good to care a bit about how it might come off to people not in the weeds and only hear about pleroma associated with this kind of thing. and yes yes i know you dont want to deal with them but im not really talking about people who fucked off to Florence here, im talking about people who are yet uninitiated by the discourse and who you are trying to convince by cleaning up pleroma's image
(DIR) Post #9lpz5S8OP8gev3HwR6 by anna@witches.live
2019-08-13T08:14:19Z
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@kaniini @ben @wolfcoder like, it's really scary to think that after all pleroma devs really dont give a shit and is infiltrated by smuglo and kf shitheads who want to creep on people and have been working this whole time on keeping federation shitty and unsafe. and the trust isn't there yet for that fear to not bubble up when lain starts busting out dogwhistles from being in the irony poisoning vat too long (it takes one to know one)
(DIR) Post #9lpz5SKRgKKPWQvZDs by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-08-13T08:15:59.641681Z
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@anna @ben @wolfcoder lain literally works for a porn company that has given him budget to build a social network for porn models. do you seriously think he does not care about safety? he's not going to continue to have budget for a social network that the porn models have no interest in using due to lack of safety.
(DIR) Post #9lq0DVv8JND2vsUgro by anna@witches.live
2019-08-13T08:22:07Z
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@kaniini @ben @wolfcoder i didnt know that, i seriously doubt many others do either and that's the thing. like mostly i see lain shit/ironyposting with shitheads like 1/3 of the time so even im not sure where his alliegances lay
(DIR) Post #9lq0DW5Ph9QtRlIttI by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-08-13T08:28:34.281735Z
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@anna @ben @wolfcoder shitposting, on a network that has generally existed for the purposes of shitposting.but in all seriousness, when it comes down to it, he's gonna make his billionaire sugar daddy happy.
(DIR) Post #9lq3vR2o6OQ4PgibQ0 by anna@witches.live
2019-08-13T08:19:38Z
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@kaniini @ben @wolfcoder so this reaction wasn't to cancel you for fun or to kill pleroma in the name of mastodon or whatever the fuck, it was based on real fears about trust y'all have been reluctant to cultivate because it's easier and, for some, more fun to treat mastodon users/developers as shrill sjw tumblr types in all cases. this is not to say something similar isnt going the other way, but nobody is blameless here
(DIR) Post #9lq425GBUfvIsU96TA by ice@pleroma.site
2019-08-13T09:11:26.236953Z
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@annaAnd all I want is a network like it use to be but better.@kaniini @ben @wolfcoder
(DIR) Post #9lq9XAvUyZ9FCR7CIy by epicmorphism@satania.space
2019-08-13T10:13:03.839148Z
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@anna @kaniini @wolfcoder must be tough being friends with you
(DIR) Post #9lqi8MKIwyrDiEcVdY by roka@pl.smuglo.li
2019-08-13T16:40:46.008971Z
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@anna @wolfcoder @ben @kaniini >allegiancesAre we at war now?lol