Post 9lbXx7bLFjsKylonDs by grainloom@cybre.space
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(DIR) Post #9lVGGKTaXN7SiQFy7s by grainloom@cybre.space
2019-08-03T07:04:45Z
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i get that people in the US hate their country, but i doubt that it falling apart would be beneficial to them or to others. if you're gonna wish for something, wish for it to become better, not for it to fail.imho one can be critical of nationalism without hating their country.
(DIR) Post #9lVGLu07st8iLF8KEy by clacke@libranet.de
2019-08-03T08:20:19Z
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@grainloom Seriously though everybody would benefit from the US being divided into a few countries.In an orderly fashion.
(DIR) Post #9lVdfYP0CBcE5k6mmG by drequivalent@mastodonsocial.ru
2019-08-03T12:41:46Z
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@clackeRussia too. Too big for its own good IMO.@grainloom
(DIR) Post #9lVgaDaIT55XwOXSyG by grainloom@cybre.space
2019-08-03T13:14:24Z
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@drequivalent @clacke If "falling apart" means "restructured" or "peacefully split" then I'm all for it.
(DIR) Post #9lWnxdlKCPFicylxjc by nev@social.coop
2019-08-03T16:22:18Z
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@grainloom this is my issue with some flavours of radical politics. Revolution SUCKS for society's most vulnerable and if we're serious about destroying the State we gotta acknowledge and plan for that
(DIR) Post #9lWo5d3AjMeIjfvhmC by mossbriar@sunbeam.city
2019-08-03T11:38:30Z
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@grainloom First off I'm anarchist so consider the source obviously, second this is longishI sort of do want the United States to fail, but that's because I don't identify the US with its residents (but then neither does the US). Like, I want all of the people living *in* the US to be okay (regardless of citizenship or imprisonment or anything else). Heck, even the super awful people who live here I would be mostly content to see out of power with no way to hurt people. And I don't want people suffering from lack of infrastructure and unable to meet their basic needs. But that statement applies just as much to people outside the US, and as a *state* the US makes life worse for a lot of people, so I'm rooting against it (I had to consciously not say "against us").I think people being able to form communities and take care of themselves and each other can be a really good thing and I want to make that better!Countries, though?countries are fake
(DIR) Post #9lWo9Qqa2knu2xqyum by lyliawisteria@octodon.social
2019-08-03T14:13:04Z
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@grainloom hating nation states doesn't hurt anyone. nation states kill people every day, for profit. can you see what the problem is?
(DIR) Post #9lWo9RCYj2Nv988XAm by grainloom@cybre.space
2019-08-03T14:19:46Z
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@lyliawisteria imho equating "nation states" and "countries" is a bad ideaand large states falling apart isn't usually followed by peace.whereas if you message is that you love the people around you and you have a better alternative for your country's future, they might just listen to you and bring around change without (much) violence.
(DIR) Post #9lWo9RUzcV884IlFuC by grainloom@cybre.space
2019-08-03T14:20:26Z
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@lyliawisteria yknow, ship of theseus the thing instead of setting it on fire and buying a new boat.
(DIR) Post #9lWoChldagT9OQ6OtU by lyliawisteria@octodon.social
2019-08-03T14:20:48Z
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@grainloom they are literally the same thing.
(DIR) Post #9lWoCiDduYs2nHClXs by grainloom@cybre.space
2019-08-03T14:22:30Z
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@lyliawisteria I don't wanna be the dictionary person but please look up their definitions. They are not.
(DIR) Post #9lWoI5EXlsSDcVBggK by InvaderXan@sunbeam.city
2019-08-03T14:38:29Z
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@grainloom I’m sure someone will be upset by me saying this, but people in the US often seem to have trouble understanding that their perceptions of the world do not necessarily apply everywhere TBQH.
(DIR) Post #9lWoI5TmrCeCNmJrRQ by grainloom@cybre.space
2019-08-03T14:41:12Z
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@InvaderXan Ye. Altho that's probably true for other countries / subsets of people.Eg. a lot of my family members are completely clueless about what Trump is up to.
(DIR) Post #9lWoI5iJzAH16r7T60 by InvaderXan@sunbeam.city
2019-08-03T14:50:43Z
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@grainloom I can’t really explain it, but it seems different with the US. Maybe it’s a leftover of the colonial mindset that built the place, I don’t know, but a lot of people from the US just don’t even seem to consider that other places in the world work differently. I’ve spoken to so many people with the attitude that “this one thing is intrinsically bad here and therefore all forms of it are bad everywhere without nuance”. Though admittedly, this attitude is quite strong among English speakers generally.On a potentially related note, I’m still surprised how many people from the US have never visited another country and don’t even have a passport.
(DIR) Post #9lWoK3x5VUZkDyxz3A by grainloom@cybre.space
2019-08-03T14:52:37Z
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@InvaderXan Hmmm. Yeah you probably have a point. I wonder how this applies to other very large countries....
(DIR) Post #9lWoK7qV1vgMIhumKu by grainloom@cybre.space
2019-08-03T14:53:58Z
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@InvaderXan Pretty sure in the US's case them being the media capital of the world makes the flow of information pretty asymmetrical.....which I guess is both a result and a catalyst of the issue....???
(DIR) Post #9lWoLxlpSdgPdEbesq by lyliawisteria@octodon.social
2019-08-03T14:26:25Z
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@grainloom maybe you could choose to educate yourself about complex ideas with better resources than the dictionary.
(DIR) Post #9lWoLyLzICbfRNWXFA by grainloom@cybre.space
2019-08-03T14:28:52Z
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@lyliawisteria I also checked wikipedia's definition but if you have a better source, i'm all for itbut imho "nation states" is a subset of "countries"if it's not governed primarily by a single unified nation, how is it a nation state?
(DIR) Post #9lbXx7bLFjsKylonDs by grainloom@cybre.space
2019-08-03T13:09:43Z
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@mossbriar yeah, we should move from the concept of "countries"but the wording is important. "country X should fail" could easily be... misread, i guess.
(DIR) Post #9lbXx7nOWvW5a9SQ0e by mossbriar@sunbeam.city
2019-08-03T13:35:14Z
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@grainloom I think that's the whole trick of patriotism honestlyPeople think you have to take the good with the bad because there's this artificial concept of "nation" that we're taught is what holds us together, even though none of us chose where we were born and we have almost no control over most of what our countries do. And then we're taught that we're not allowed to reject that, because doing so would be selfish/evil somehow, because the nation = the people and if you don't love the state you must not care about peopleAlso, nobody wants to live in a failed state, right? so if you want running water and electricity you have to put up with stuff like wars and torture and spying and borders and prisons (because that's what "successful" states do). If you don't like it you can try to make it better, but you don't get a choice about being part of it, and you can't walk away without uprooting your entire life. There's no opt-out button.Or so they say.
(DIR) Post #9lrqZ1WPv9H6uyBlr6 by grainloom@cybre.space
2019-08-03T13:17:41Z
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@mossbriar My hope is that large countries can fulfill their stated purpose of caring for people and bringing peace. My memory of history class is a bit rusty but I recall something about large countries failing leading to wars. And I really REALLY do not want any war.