Post 9kpGK4PdaSzdDXJKls by Lexi@octodon.social
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(DIR) Post #9koxLz1ggapVxiJ6WW by Lexi@octodon.social
2019-07-13T21:55:16Z
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Welp. I hate to be a Cassandra again, but here we are. We're witnessing the beginning of the end of the Fediverse as we know it, in my opinion.And it's not because Gab joined. And it's not because Kiwi Farms is joining. It's because the privileged people making the decisions are going to play centrist and allow it all until the people most at risk get pushed out.
(DIR) Post #9koxLzRD9hFLEsFUJ6 by chen@pl.smuglo.li
2019-07-13T22:29:46.695569Z
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@Lexi Please the fediverse "ended" when mastodont became a thing. The fact that gab and kiwi are here wont change anything other than it being more of the same bickering of you guys.
(DIR) Post #9kpGK3PFKR5O627VWS by Lexi@octodon.social
2019-07-13T21:55:23Z
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My prediction is that I and a lot of people like me won't be here in a year's time. Enjoy having bigots in our place.
(DIR) Post #9kpGK3d4V292muaY4W by Lexi@octodon.social
2019-07-14T01:29:01Z
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Can't even look at hashtag-anime without seeing someone complaining that blocking Gab is a slippery slope and that anime will be next--because everyone's just being too sensitive, right?
(DIR) Post #9kpGK3nLsoMtInOl60 by Lexi@octodon.social
2019-07-14T01:55:47Z
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I guess I'm just... Yeah, I know because of the way the Fediverse works, we can technically just put ourselves in a box and cut ourselves off from bigots and people who allow bigots--but we shouldn't _have to._ We shouldn't be _letting_ them take ground like that and shrugging about it. It's good that the Fediverse has these features, but those features shouldn't be the beginning or end of the discussion.
(DIR) Post #9kpGK4PdaSzdDXJKls by Lexi@octodon.social
2019-07-14T01:55:54Z
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I feel like I must not have explained my original thoughts very well? I'm well aware that we can block what we don't like. That's my point, in fact: that if we don't leave Fedi entirely, that is what we'll end up doing, and everyone on the "we're gonna be politically neutral" side will find themselves left on a Fedi that's just them and the bigots, because the rest of us will be gone or in hiding.Hence: "Enjoy having bigots in our place."
(DIR) Post #9kpGK4eWh6u1xiHDyi by ben666@shitposter.club
2019-07-14T02:02:18.791528Z
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@lexi this is just stupid this means you can not use anything. or you would just go to another twitter. you have only 2 choices like in real life you listen and respond or do nothing.
(DIR) Post #9kpGxoFv4pHkgviMiG by emsenn@tenforward.social
2019-07-14T01:59:00Z
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@Lexi What sucks is because we're on the margins already, they won't NOTICE that we're gone. So like in a year we could go "did you miss our presence?" and they... probably wouldn't. They wouldn't realize that they've stopped spending time each day learning about social justice and equality, because it was never much of a thing for them.So like... they /will/ enjoy having bigots in their place, because at least the bigots don't disagree with them like we did.
(DIR) Post #9kpGxq7q7q0iURwwOe by ben666@shitposter.club
2019-07-14T02:09:30.389841Z
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@emsenn @lexi you do know your just using it like anybody else you can do what everybody else can do. the thing is your getting equality you are the same as everybody else using this fedi shit that is the whole point. you seem to have a problem with being treated the same as everybody else.10_the_thing_(1982).jpg
(DIR) Post #9kpHXURmCd6LgGH4IS by orekix@aria.company
2019-07-14T02:15:57.168196Z
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@Lexi so you'll be gone? good :smug10:
(DIR) Post #9kpHldt3tx1d0qmk5I by valerauko@pawoo.net
2019-07-14T02:18:30Z
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@Lexi but the whole point is that you can just block them off, you don't have to blockade yourself...
(DIR) Post #9kpaZ3RPTm9ndDYvdA by CornishRepublicanArmy@hellsite.site
2019-07-13T21:58:14Z
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@Lexi who do you think its making those decisions? the fediverse is decentralised, the issue is that there is nobody in power who can push them out entirely. I think that the developers of the major apps have a duty to de platform fascism, but aside from that it's not like we can just 'ban' fascists from using open source code. I'm not apologising for people here and throwing my hands up saying "well, there's just nothing we can do!", because ofc those who have the power and ability to do those things have a duty to do so for people like us. but, I don't think there's some core group of people who is controlling how policy works and giving a space for fascism
(DIR) Post #9kpabyLes26ShnGOIK by Lexi@octodon.social
2019-07-13T22:21:47Z
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@CornishRepublicanArmy "because ofc those who have the power and ability to do those things have a duty to do so for people like us."That's exactly it, though: I don't feel like they are.I'm not saying the Fediverse won't exist in a year's time, you know? I'm just making a cynical prediction that it won't be the Fediverse as we know it.
(DIR) Post #9kpabyZq1JRhPltiOe by CornishRepublicanArmy@hellsite.site
2019-07-13T22:22:36Z
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@Lexi but that's the thing with the fediverse. we can just cut off all the parts we don't like
(DIR) Post #9kpabynJDEDm5YCTOS by maloki@elekk.xyz
2019-07-13T22:26:56Z
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@CornishRepublicanArmy @Lexi yeah, this, I find that it's the beauty and resilience of the fediverse, and the fact that we can build our own social graphs. We don't have to be connected to everyone to still be part of the fediverse. Next step is to make the blocks and suspensions work _better_ than they currently are, and provide even better tools to both admins and users, imo.
(DIR) Post #9kpacrThtoDnggS5ya by CornishRepublicanArmy@hellsite.site
2019-07-13T22:27:59Z
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@maloki @Lexi I feel like there needs to be more co-ordination. I know that there's informal networks where people share block lists and all that but it feels like it's more reactive than proactive in a lot of cases, and there's less structured cooperation
(DIR) Post #9kpakxmWLZYBYP7Czo by emsenn@tenforward.social
2019-07-13T22:28:54Z
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@CornishRepublicanArmy This is overly simplistic and ignores that devs of certain apps like, get corporate grants, the social advantage privileged people have to work on the technology the Fediverse requires, and the advantage of those privileged people already having the apps. You're suggesting that those without the power have the power, to cut parts off, and while we do in a very limited technical sense, that ignores so much. @Lexi
(DIR) Post #9kpaky7R5oHSbGtub2 by CornishRepublicanArmy@hellsite.site
2019-07-13T22:30:28Z
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@emsenn @Lexi to be fair I did say as much in my previous post. that's very much true and those devs have a duty to deplatform fascism as a preventative measure
(DIR) Post #9kpakyeP7EeUFWKEz2 by emsenn@tenforward.social
2019-07-13T22:32:33Z
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@CornishRepublicanArmy You said, at the end though, that there isn't a "core group controlling" this situation. That's incorrect, I think, for the reasons I've said. Because there are these people who are in positions of power, there is a "core" group, even if it isn't coherent and organized within itself, they receive support from the same corporations and subcultures. @Lexi
(DIR) Post #9kpakyswFCHIyb7qdc by CornishRepublicanArmy@hellsite.site
2019-07-13T22:34:00Z
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@emsenn @Lexi by that what I mean was that the fediverse isn't centralised, there's no admin team like there is with say twitter or something. nobody makes the policy, it's aninformal loose network that we can sorta opt in and out of as we wish, and nobody can enforce it on a hard coded level even with this like hardcoding an app to fuck with Gab
(DIR) Post #9kpakzS28iLojRXsLA by emsenn@tenforward.social
2019-07-13T22:35:37Z
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@CornishRepublicanArmy I just don't know if I agree with that, in reality. I mean, look at FOSStodon: they picked a vaguely-centrist position and got a fistful of donations thrown at them. Meanwhile if an app does anything against fascism, they get brigaded with negative reviews. The technology isn't centralized, but that does nothing to address the existence of non-technical power structures. @Lexi
(DIR) Post #9kpakzf9LwqJO7gLmi by emsenn@tenforward.social
2019-07-13T22:36:53Z
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@CornishRepublicanArmy This is a tangent, but most of the intelligence agencies who have spoken to electoral interference via social media in the past few years have said that decentralized tools make everything that happened there EASIER: it becomes easier to co-opt, manipulate, build audiences, etc. Which has me cautious to accept any claim that the technical decentralization... uh, really matters. 1/n @Lexi
(DIR) Post #9kpakzqqeSCTyP9h1E by emsenn@tenforward.social
2019-07-13T22:38:09Z
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@CornishRepublicanArmy I think we will need to have the tech decentralized in order for it to function in a non-oppressive way, but I do not think decentralized tech has any relationship to oppression itself, if that makes sense. Like, we need water to live, but the existence of water is not enough to spark life, to use an analogy. @Lexi
(DIR) Post #9kpal01pzazUWUIT9E by CornishRepublicanArmy@hellsite.site
2019-07-13T22:39:33Z
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@emsenn @Lexi mhm, is there anything you would propose?
(DIR) Post #9kpal0Lgnms1W3aK5g by emsenn@tenforward.social
2019-07-13T22:43:04Z
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@CornishRepublicanArmy Concrete and technical? A greater push toward easing the distribution of capital from centrists to marginalized people through the Internet. I see some cool work being done there with @eliotberriot 's Retribute, for example.I think there's three facets we need to develop: abundance, security, and liberty.We need it to be equally cheap - or cheap enough - for marginalized folk to do what privileged folk do.1/n @Lexi
(DIR) Post #9kpaqHxElwCdZCfQW0 by Jo@social.diskseven.com
2019-07-14T01:32:30Z
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@Lexi Aaaaaaand there's the headache of the day. :blobbandage:
(DIR) Post #9l9iwJInH15Ec5l7mi by Lexi@octodon.social
2019-07-14T06:00:15Z
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And when we voice our concerns like this, people we don't know tend to come into our mentions to reassure us that actually, everything's fine, things are being done, and we're just being silly billies.Good to know. I mean, one of the reasons I posted all this was that I'd love to be proven wrong. Let's check back in a year and see.
(DIR) Post #9l9iwJp3L4t6E8qt4C by Lexi@octodon.social
2019-07-23T22:33:06Z
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The Fediverse is already getting less safe. People are just gonna be like, "Well what can we do," and, "Give us a technical solution then," and, "Just block them," even though that doesn't protect you from getting manipulated and gaslit, though.Things like domain blocking Gab aren't exactly sustainable strategies, but that's not the point. The gesture drew a line in the sand, and Fedilab chose to stand on the Nazi side of that line.
(DIR) Post #9l9iwL66bA7eBJq1Hk by Lexi@octodon.social
2019-07-23T22:33:27Z
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People sitting on the fence, being neutral, being centrists--and yes, there are plenty of people on the Fediverse doing that--need to realize that there is no neutral central middle. Stop trying to find a level-handed response and just say with all your might that the fascists aren't welcome here.