Post 9kotcsQk3xpWbypHiC by oxyhime@elekk.xyz
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(DIR) Post #9koVc1fbpIKW4wqEgS by oxyhime@elekk.xyz
2019-06-08T15:05:51Z
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Today's been productive
(DIR) Post #9koVc2WmdarejrihZA by dtluna@leftlibertarian.club
2019-07-13T17:18:14.500999Z
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@oxyhime I know what you mean by this, but most cis people just see it as a call to kill them.
(DIR) Post #9kokQNiTX2BaI85V7w by thufie@social.pixie.town
2019-07-13T19:58:16Z
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@dtluna and that's why they are part of the problem
(DIR) Post #9kokQOATquaTgzBrmK by dtluna@leftlibertarian.club
2019-07-13T20:04:12.240921Z
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@thufie I agree, but I don't think that making more enemies is useful.
(DIR) Post #9kokprOaK35FZyvvU0 by thufie@social.pixie.town
2019-07-13T20:08:31Z
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@dtluna I don't think weakening the message to appeal to moderates is useful
(DIR) Post #9kokpsaJtu45GfQoPg by dtluna@leftlibertarian.club
2019-07-13T20:08:49.118543Z
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@thufie I'm not saying we should weaken the message. I'm saying write something like "Smash cisnormativity"
(DIR) Post #9komO0Em3U9qnlBlHk by thufie@social.pixie.town
2019-07-13T20:14:18Z
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@dtluna and I think that wouldn't change how the originally upset people saw the sign and just make it sound weirder
(DIR) Post #9komO0QTLzW1O2f6WG by dtluna@leftlibertarian.club
2019-07-13T20:26:10.304014Z
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@thufie Well, I disagree. I remember myself from the time when I wasn't woke on trans issues and this wouldn't seem as hostile as "smash the cistem" which would seem like "smash cis people". "Smash the cistem" is perfect fuel to paint trans people as violent lunatics.
(DIR) Post #9komnsat5yuocps4Rc by thufie@social.pixie.town
2019-07-13T20:29:29Z
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@dtluna did you get woke by seeing someone with a watered down protest sign or did you look at actual arguments online where the point is to change people's minds instead of demonstrating? I get what you are looking for but I think you are looking in the wrong place.
(DIR) Post #9komnt17WRtnwC91Ki by dtluna@leftlibertarian.club
2019-07-13T20:30:52.625002Z
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@thufie well, if you want to seem like a violent lunatic, that's your choice. But don't get surprised when you see more TERF blog posts telling everyone that trans women are crazy men who want to beat up everyone who disagrees.
(DIR) Post #9konZGw4PZZFjKNTMG by thufie@social.pixie.town
2019-07-13T20:39:01Z
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@dtluna honestly it is just rude to start this kind of discussion in the reply thread of another trans girl's protest sign. She is expressing herself, why should she worry about image problems with TERFs? Why do you want to cater to transphobes so badly? Don't internalize the gazes of the cishets, it just constrains you, kill the TERF in your head, it only holds you back. Kill the policeman in your head.Smash the Cis-tem!
(DIR) Post #9konZHnxBEfYQRaVLU by dtluna@leftlibertarian.club
2019-07-13T20:39:25.626163Z
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@thufie I'm a cishet so I don't have to internalize shit.
(DIR) Post #9kopzGkFwU0yZoNM6i by thufie@social.pixie.town
2019-07-13T20:50:36Z
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@dtluna oh I see now. So you are trying to tell Queer people how to act normal enough to be accepted by cishet society? How we can best make ourselves out to be nuclear family conformists who aren't out for any kind of trouble or real change in how people behave and define their relationships? If you're such an anarchist then why does it matter to you? If you are an anarchist why do you already have the cishet gaze and take offense from statements against oppression?Let me put it this way:Do you apologize to Capitalists when you make picket signs? Do you have anxiety as a unionized worker that the shareholders are going to see you as too extreme and that you should tone down your message and your demands?
(DIR) Post #9kopzGyn4RdnItAxlI by dtluna@leftlibertarian.club
2019-07-13T21:06:32.732303Z
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@thufie > So you are trying to tell Queer people how to act normal enough to be accepted by cishet society?No.> How we can best make ourselves out to be nuclear family conformists who aren't out for any kind of trouble or real change in how people behave and define their relationships? Fuck the nuclear family. I'm a poly and I don't care for that horseshit.> If you are an anarchist why do you already have the cishet gaze and take offense from statements against oppression?I don't take offense.> Do you apologize to Capitalists when you make picket signs?No, but I don't just scream "kill the rich". I explain to the dipshit liberals and right-libertarian how capitalism is built on oppression. Some become anticapitalists like me, some don't, and fuck them. But I've never managed to convince someone to become an anticapitalist by screaming "EAT THE RICH" in their face. I wonder why.
(DIR) Post #9kotcsQk3xpWbypHiC by oxyhime@elekk.xyz
2019-07-13T21:40:55Z
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@dtluna oh no!!! I literally don't give a single shit
(DIR) Post #9kotctuCZuzPBdcKGm by dtluna@leftlibertarian.club
2019-07-13T21:47:19.663508Z
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@oxyhime well, if you want to seem like a violent lunatic, that's your choice. But don't get surprised when you see more TERF blog posts telling everyone that trans women are crazy men who want to beat up everyone who disagrees.