Post 9kf7e9MN2F5UVVTXou by wonderdon@mastodon.social
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 (DIR) Post #9jOTIyRWChC0pgT2yO by dredmorbius@mastodon.cloud
       2019-06-01T05:58:28Z
       
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       Answering "Surely you could just not use the major surveillance capitalism  sites and services that evade your consent then?"No, really, you cannot.FB maintains shadow profles, even for nonusers.Google tracks virtually all Web traffic. And most email.Amazon backs or provisions a tremendous amount on online sevices.#privacy #surveillanceCapitalism #regulationRequired1/
       
 (DIR) Post #9jOTMutHLwNYyRKf7Q by dredmorbius@mastodon.cloud
       2019-06-01T05:59:11Z
       
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       Comcast, TimeWarner, AT&T, and Verizon have absolute local, and effective national, monopolies on point-of-presence service across the US. Indigenous telco monopolies operate similarly elsewhere.Cloudfront, Limelight, Akamai. and other CDN, DNS, and interconnectivity providers see requests and traffic aggregated across huge opulations.Visa and Mastercard see a huge fraction of financial activity.2/
       
 (DIR) Post #9jOTScZgMf2nuAt0im by dredmorbius@mastodon.cloud
       2019-06-01T06:00:13Z
       
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       And this doesn't even start to touch the vast B2B data services markets in advertising, marketing, finance, credit, risk, tol collection, healthcare (denial) systems, licence plate scanner, retail backends, payments processing, debt collection, and more.There really is no effective possibility of opting out. Even with denying yourself an effective role in modern society.https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=200652863/end/
       
 (DIR) Post #9jOdmux0kbYuEP7BY0 by wion@writing.exchange
       2019-06-01T07:55:54Z
       
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       @dredmorbius The issue, I wish more people would realize, isn’t all or nothing online privacy/security, as it kind of sounds in your message. There is a significant gain by people simply being online a lot less, with no risk being ‘ineffective to modern society’ (odd statement), and using fewer services, apps, and accounts. We have an obligation to be more energy conscious. Not that most of the world gives a shit about that.
       
 (DIR) Post #9jOgbl2TYus6AR2c2C by dredmorbius@mastodon.cloud
       2019-06-01T08:27:32Z
       
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       @wion My point is that individual initiative is insufficient and impotent.  And always will be.We need true privacy regulation.It needs real teeth.We need it NOW.
       
 (DIR) Post #9jOiGICXmh8wYXdung by wion@writing.exchange
       2019-06-01T08:46:02Z
       
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       @dredmorbius Agree, individual action is insufficient, in privacy concerns as it is in environmental. Just like relying on policy is futile, in my opinion, because it will always come way too late, be watered down and too restricted to borders, and be full of undermining loopholes. My point, not to drag it out, is that however small individual effort, it’s the only effort we have control over and can feasibly rely on, be it our own exposure or helping the environment. Conscience.
       
 (DIR) Post #9jOjKdQEvYyHU4gQfw by wion@writing.exchange
       2019-06-01T08:58:02Z
       
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       @dredmorbius To clarify, my vista is always on environment first, because that’s hands-down the most critical issue facing society. And I know you get this, but it just so happens the two (data and environment) are not inseparable, and individual choice is still the fundamental link between them. We can exercise our freedom and choose to reduce our digital footprints, or we can continue being part of the reason collapse is not far off.
       
 (DIR) Post #9kf7e9MN2F5UVVTXou by wonderdon@mastodon.social
       2019-07-09T04:37:58Z
       
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       @dredmorbius You are correct. You can stop using those services, you can also block connections to most of them. But you can't avoid the physical one. Issue elaborated in detail by somone here: https://digdeeper.neocities.org/ghost/botnet.html
       
 (DIR) Post #9kfJE0iZk387crAE3E by temporal@mastodon.technology
       2019-07-09T06:47:42Z
       
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       @dredmorbius there's another, and much stronger reason that you cannot not use major surveillance capitalism sites.If you have any friends or family on FB (or Instagram), you probably *have* to use it, because of social obligations. If you have lots of friends on FB, you'll probably find yourself losing touch with them if you don't use FB (people organize events there).WRT. Google, probably half of the people on-line has GMail, + I guess most small businesses have GMail behind their own domain.1/