Post 9kcOd2tcQSOVInOJSS by Sturmflut@mastodon.technology
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(DIR) Post #9kcEKlLHx6Li6dycL2 by MatejLach@social.matej-lach.me
2019-07-07T19:08:44Z
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#systemd haters are in full force on HN yet again. Of course they don't actually have a credible alternative, yet again.
(DIR) Post #9kcFTMM0KOetAMyUdM by _emacsomancer@linuxrocks.online
2019-07-07T19:21:29Z
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@MatejLach > Of course they don't actually have a credible alternative, yet again.runit just works for me, even on systems with complicated pieces. systemd gives me problems even on completely vanilla ubuntu installs, much less on arch etc.I'd suggest that systemd is closer to a non-credible alternative.
(DIR) Post #9kcHiN8Bv7rtpRnfDk by MatejLach@social.matej-lach.me
2019-07-07T19:46:38Z
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@_emacsomancer That's fair, I suppose I should have been clear that I mean a credible alternative for myself, which would be something that at the very least uses a declarative service definition syntax, rather than shell scripts I have a real problem with initscripts in that their quality and functionality/implementation varies and depends on the scripting skills of whoever wrote the scripts, perhaps the software dev themselves.In my view .service files are superior here.
(DIR) Post #9kcHtYLcYdNZnmPfrk by MatejLach@social.matej-lach.me
2019-07-07T19:48:39Z
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@_emacsomancer systemd also takes care of the likes of logind & udev, with other systems either depending on logind or ck, (which is unmaintained), but that's not as big a consideration as the shell scripts angle for me.
(DIR) Post #9kcIUxZzi1mmltyOjA by aminb@pleroma.site
2019-07-07T19:15:17.448554Z
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@MatejLach not a "systemd hater" myself, but how about https://www.gnu.org/software/shepherd/ or the many other init systems?
(DIR) Post #9kcIUxm2zDQXNHc1Vw by codesections@fosstodon.org
2019-07-07T19:55:19Z
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@aminbI had several seconds of thinking that this toot was by @emsenn, who has *also* been talking about #GuixSD and Hurd and who has an *amazingly* similar avatar
(DIR) Post #9kcIYDTF5CPSvSMrFQ by _emacsomancer@linuxrocks.online
2019-07-07T19:55:49Z
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@MatejLach As per @aminb 's comment - have you looked at shepherd? runit works great for me and I use it more places, but shepherd has also treated me well and from a technical point of view, I find it more interesting than runit. I would think shepherd services could be defined in more declarative ways.
(DIR) Post #9kcIeQBUj5yQ5u1cXI by _emacsomancer@linuxrocks.online
2019-07-07T19:57:05Z
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@MatejLach But this is the system working they way it should, no? In Unix-like systems, pieces should be somewhat interchangeable, and so re-using logind is that model working. I just wish other systemd components were more modular.
(DIR) Post #9kcJ8IVjowamyzjwDA by MatejLach@social.matej-lach.me
2019-07-07T20:02:31Z
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@_emacsomancer@linuxrocks.online Shepherd's definitely the one out of the bunch I want to look at. I am planning to take a deep dive into Guix/GuixSD, which presents a nice tie in opportunity to look at Shepherd as well. I just didn't have much reason to look into it as systemd does the job for me, but Guix is defintely on my radar. @aminb
(DIR) Post #9kcJZVtUAeySJApDwO by MatejLach@social.matej-lach.me
2019-07-07T20:07:27Z
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@_emacsomancer I guess. My only problem is that the very same people who complain about systemd picking too much up end up re-using one of the major components which they said shouldn't have been included, while at the same time themselves not maintaining consolekit, nor providing an alternative to logind from scratch. I don't mind it, but I am glad somebody, (be it systemd), started taking care of it, rather than it just rotting.
(DIR) Post #9kcJiW58qDqrUuZPZw by _emacsomancer@linuxrocks.online
2019-07-07T20:09:03Z
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@MatejLach As far as I can tell, Guix System (née GuixSD) is the only place where Shepherd is really well integrated, so that would be the place to play with it.But the standalone Guix package manager is also quite cool. You can nicely integrate on top of another distro (and I do), rather like a Snaps/Flatpak replacement to get software your distro doesn't provide or to act as a fallback for borked packages. Guix even provides a systemd unit to start the daemon ;)@aminb
(DIR) Post #9kcNUXBWLMwqgG8sNM by aminb@pleroma.site
2019-07-07T19:57:21.597007Z
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@codesections @emsenn Uh oh :D That's because mine was inspired from emsenn's 😛 if I find some free time I'll try to make mine more visibly different than emsenn's :)
(DIR) Post #9kcNUYLU1oVmHRoLXk by emsenn@tenforward.social
2019-07-07T19:58:03Z
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@aminb Psch no instead @codesections should change his to look like ours.
(DIR) Post #9kcNUZNICZYLTLfJ0C by aminb@pleroma.site
2019-07-07T19:59:02.796939Z
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@emsenn @codesections hey that sounds even better ^_^
(DIR) Post #9kcNUZgR3OriQicaq8 by codesections@fosstodon.org
2019-07-07T20:50:44Z
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@aminb @emsenn No, I *can't* change my avatar to be part of your people-with-oddly-similar-avatars club, because I'm having too much fun in my own people-with-oddly-similar-avatars club with @lawremipsum (Though ours was an actual coincidence, at least as far as I know)
(DIR) Post #9kcOd2tcQSOVInOJSS by Sturmflut@mastodon.technology
2019-07-07T21:04:05Z
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@MatejLachIs this about AMD's Zen 2?https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ryzen-3700x-3900x-linux&num=2
(DIR) Post #9kcQD8RvM83iu9D4gS by lawremipsum@mspsocial.net
2019-07-07T21:21:44Z
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@codesections I've had this user icon since at least (checks) 2013
(DIR) Post #9kcQbrcD58AVvyoR3A by codesections@fosstodon.org
2019-07-07T21:26:12Z
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@lawremipsum And I haven't had mine nearly that long, but I had it well before joining mastodon/meeting you.So a genuine case of independent invention :D
(DIR) Post #9kcRT182RSSYms2sca by MatejLach@social.matej-lach.me
2019-07-07T21:35:53Z
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@Sturmflut It was a different thread on HN, (about the inevitable death of X.org), this seems to be a kernel-level issue? Or at least driver related for sure.
(DIR) Post #9kcRguswS4ZLTfbzlY by MatejLach@social.matej-lach.me
2019-07-07T21:38:25Z
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@Sturmflut On related note, I hope this gets resolved soon, Zen 2 looks really on point, but am on Arch so unless this gets resolved, I won't be able to jump on it.
(DIR) Post #9kcZPqz0VR4m5Mp7mS by brennen@mastodon.social
2019-07-07T23:04:55Z
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@codesections @lawremipsum in practice, every time i see § it evokes the first place i encountered it, an early 1990s / late 1980s shareware action game using high ascii characters where you were a hovercraft shooting at other symbols not typically found on the US keyboard. it came on a floppy with "GAMES" written on the label and you had to hit the button to turn off the turbo in order for it to be a playable speed...
(DIR) Post #9kdgPfuWZAXmaBY4ki by Sturmflut@mastodon.technology
2019-07-08T11:58:03Z
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@MatejLach Some reports suggest downgrading to systemd 237 makes affected distros boot. Some reports suggest the exact kernel version matters as well.At least one report mentions they can smh maneuver a working system into a state which will suddenly make it crash after a warm reboot.Affected distros also seem to crash in VirtualBox if hardware virtualization is enabled. So it's most likely not a chipset issue.Surprised AMD didn't fix this yet, reviewers have had the CPUs for ~3 weeks.
(DIR) Post #9kdgmEx2xyp5d8ULPk by Sturmflut@mastodon.technology
2019-07-08T12:02:09Z
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@MatejLach I bought a Ryzen 1600X just after launch, took ~4 months until all microcode/kernel/OS/chipset/firmware bugs had been resolved.With the current state of Zen 2 - more recent distros crashing, completely new boards, some board firmwares already known to have problems, major compiler and library upgrades necessary to fully use it - I will wait until at least Christmas before an upgrade. Maybe even until Ubuntu 20.04 goes into Beta.
(DIR) Post #9keL1jugOvOEmY8xua by MatejLach@social.matej-lach.me
2019-07-08T19:33:10Z
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@Sturmflut I want to support #AMD because #Intel is too arrogant at this point + Ryzen 3000 looks like a serious win, so I'd wait for the state on #Linux to catch up.Thanks a lot for the update!
(DIR) Post #9keMc2FdnX6Q2Gokdc by Sturmflut@mastodon.technology
2019-07-08T19:50:53Z
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@MatejLach Now that the core issue has been found, Arch and the rest will probably have fixed this before your Ryzen 3000 is in the mail. I hear they're sold out in most places.