Post 9kbXSOJlFopNWqBxOS by igeljaeger@the.hedgehoghunter.club
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(DIR) Post #9kVQUMqpoRY4vpthnU by snder@quey.org
2019-07-04T12:21:58Z
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⚠️ ATTENTION! ⚠️ I have a questions for the users of #quey Mastodon.Should we silence #Gab or just let them be?I don't want to make this decision by myself. Please let me know what you think!#poll #gab #quey
(DIR) Post #9kVQsY6bcXqMmpnxzc by snder@quey.org
2019-07-04T12:26:17Z
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For now they are blocked.
(DIR) Post #9kVR4F5GAWY7Gbkd3A by 10X@linuxrocks.online
2019-07-04T12:28:26Z
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@snder Do you mean silence = block ?
(DIR) Post #9kVRgkvEF9Qv11QKx6 by inditoot@inditoot.com
2019-07-04T12:35:26Z
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@10X @snderThey won't show in Timeline but You can still connect with them individually
(DIR) Post #9kVRpMrT4NiazzlsEC by snder@quey.org
2019-07-04T12:36:55Z
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@10X No, just don't see there toots in public and decline media ;)
(DIR) Post #9kVRqR3owUocJQ3fe4 by snder@quey.org
2019-07-04T12:37:11Z
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@inditoot Oh? Don't they federate public toots?@10X
(DIR) Post #9kVSACibyYJlcfZ2nY by inditoot@inditoot.com
2019-07-04T12:40:43Z
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@snder @10XThey will fed but it won't show up in your fed timeline, or local ones.Silence means Individual user can search and follow profile but toot won't show up in Public timelime it's limited to that individual user.
(DIR) Post #9kVSLl9IIx61alYSnI by 10X@linuxrocks.online
2019-07-04T12:42:49Z
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@inditoot @snder Okay, got it. That's "to silence". So it means block is gonna cut them out completely(no direct messages, no public toots, no anything) ? Like an instance doesn't exist?
(DIR) Post #9kVSXPLfBTzRSCtXJQ by snder@quey.org
2019-07-04T12:44:50Z
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@10X Let me give you some illustrative images haha@inditoot
(DIR) Post #9kVSbAqZ2i9VdW90KG by inditoot@inditoot.com
2019-07-04T12:45:38Z
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@10X @snderYeah it's called suspend(block) it gonna cut all connection
(DIR) Post #9kVSjzVuY3eL5rgjZo by inditoot@inditoot.com
2019-07-04T12:47:12Z
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@snder @10XHaha, although Gab is not fedreating at the moment
(DIR) Post #9kVTbCTr4JDGep6At6 by Supes@socnet.supes.com
2019-07-04T12:56:50Z
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@snder Why would you "silence" them? Makes no sense. Just cos you dont agree with someone doesnt remove their right to say whatever they want to say. Your view is your view and theirs is theirs. Neither may be right. Yours may be. Theirs may be. Surely the conversation is more important than the outcome? Cancel culture is evil and appalling and should be fought against by all with a mind. Remember how people react to words or media is entirely their choice not the choice of its creator.
(DIR) Post #9kVU0A98sqRIerJUWG by snder@quey.org
2019-07-04T13:01:19Z
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@Supes Well, just like you say it's my right to do whatever I want in this case :)I am the one who bought and setup the server so that makes me in charge I guess? But I don't want to be a 'ruler' on this instance and that's why I posted this poll to ask the users what they want! I'm not a big fan of Gab that's true but that's also my right. Did you know I have blocked my own instance as well? quey should be a place that you can visit when you're at work or public places
(DIR) Post #9kVUIP2sEERg4w4xGq by Supes@socnet.supes.com
2019-07-04T13:04:39Z
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@snder Yeah im totally cool with you doing whatever you want with your own instance as long as your users are supportive. They always have the option to go elsewhere. I know my instance (socnet.supes.com) will welcome gab with open arms and anyone else who has anything to say even if I personally disagree with them. I think its good you are asking your users I just think this hysteria around #gab is way out of control. Talk of app developers blocking them is just appalling!
(DIR) Post #9kVUb8oWnhPVEwIuEi by snder@quey.org
2019-07-04T13:08:01Z
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@Supes Thanks 🙂 I'm always asking my users before I make major changes! I'm also just a user on the platform but I just happen to have root access hahaWell there are multiple side here.. Gab is fucked because there apps where removed from the App and Play Sores so I totally get the fear of being removed when you allow gab for instance (lol) On the other side i'm not a big fan of blocking, trust me.. I have my issues with Eugen! But the user comes first with me soo!
(DIR) Post #9kVVOcJltVlAvzVfF2 by snder@quey.org
2019-07-04T13:16:53Z
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Unblocked!
(DIR) Post #9kVVS3w5fRyLSW4m2a by noor@me.noorul.xyz
2019-07-04T13:17:02.320149Z
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Dont bother about Eugen.Now you have own fork of Mastodon.😅@snder @Supes
(DIR) Post #9kVVS4ZnHpjPReeTvU by snder@quey.org
2019-07-04T13:17:28Z
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@noor Oh I won't, it's just a bitch situation that's all@Supes
(DIR) Post #9kVVdmpr4ZxHthkYkq by Supes@socnet.supes.com
2019-07-04T13:19:43Z
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@snder @noor I think the issue is you cant start something as open source free speech blah blah then change your position when you dont agree with free speech. Its hypocritical and pathetic. open source is like giving birth to a child. You dont know what life choices it will make or direction in life. If you dont agree stop contributing dont try and control it
(DIR) Post #9kVW4AkQmzhPadnKQy by noor@me.noorul.xyz
2019-07-04T13:21:46.125304Z
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You were referring to Eugen ?Even Linus ran things in tight manner.And open source is nothing to do with free speech as far I knoq@Supes @snder
(DIR) Post #9kVW4CZW0Y9jFMhdhI by Supes@socnet.supes.com
2019-07-04T13:24:27Z
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@noor @snder Linus lost control just as Eugen is loosing control. yes it has nothing to do with free speech. Eugen and other early adopters used free speech as a selling point of the platform. Lack of central control etc etc. Reality is the platform should be encouraging Gab. the number of daily active users will go through the roof and thats a good thing. Just cos you disagree with their views or politics does not make them any less valuable to the platform as anyone else.
(DIR) Post #9kVWBmPr8dhARVnYtU by rcode3@masto.rootdc.xyz
2019-07-04T13:25:49Z
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@snder @Supes I'm taking a wait-and-see approach. Gab maybe full of Nazis or it might not be. I don't really know, and some of the people hyperventilating about Gab label everyone who disagrees with them as a Nazi (e.g. Candace Owens). Keep in mind, many of them also said LibremOne was full of Nazis, but so far LibremOne is excessively tame.Now if Gab is full of Nazis or white supremacists, then they'll be banned. Life's too short to put up with stupid shit like that.
(DIR) Post #9kVWRfkpfqkCPoBiqG by Supes@socnet.supes.com
2019-07-04T13:28:44Z
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@rcode3 @snder Totally agree, judging a group of people by the words of a few is not productive or positive. As users we dont have to have conversations with or even see users we dont like for whatever reason. The tools are there. My frustration is the hysteria and grandstanding around this. Its like "im more woke than you" competition and its unedifying
(DIR) Post #9kVWlQUC9QJEqwpETw by snder@quey.org
2019-07-04T13:32:16Z
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@Supes It's absolutly okay to have an opinion but I need to say that's it's a very grey area when people are calling for free speech or just posting hate and racism.. I can't say that I know the difference it's very hard but what I do know is that I want to create an online place where people can feel safe and post what they want with in their minds the guidelines.quey is easy, sinblr is a lot harder but on a very different level.@noor
(DIR) Post #9kVWqLUQ9eiQnyHDg8 by noor@me.noorul.xyz
2019-07-04T13:32:11.508594Z
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Oh, thank for the explanation.Sounds clear now.Points about Eugen and Linus makes sensible.About Gab, all I simple afraid about in courtesy manner as I've heard.I've interacted with single Gab user who is nice.There are other people who are not Gab users but their behaviour is unacceptable.@Supes @snder
(DIR) Post #9kVX0jHEZKoxTZ3mXA by Supes@socnet.supes.com
2019-07-04T13:35:03Z
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@snder @noor Mate my view is it doesnt matter what people are saying it is the consumer of the information who needs to take responsibility of how they react and what they do from there. If someone is spouting shit of any kind be it racist or be it I dont like the car you drive I as a consumer decide to block that individual or just ignore it. People need to take the responsibility. Not everyone will agree with you or think the same as you. It is up to you what you do with your own reaction
(DIR) Post #9kVXmAsTlf6Wgk6YOu by dude@take.iteasy.club
2019-07-04T13:43:39.916802Z
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@Supes @snder @noor >Eugen and other early adopters used free speech as a selling point of the platformEugen never used free speech as a selling point for Mastodon. It was quite the opposite. He made a point to label those of us who ran pro-free speech GNU Social instances as Nazis which he then used for his first media push.
(DIR) Post #9kVXsnxfMuSjdqh02y by Supes@socnet.supes.com
2019-07-04T13:44:49Z
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@dude @noor @snder Sorry I stand corrected. It must have been some of the early adopters.
(DIR) Post #9kVXxaBk0HbCNDYQ52 by 10X@linuxrocks.online
2019-07-04T13:45:41Z
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@snderFirst of all every instance is a part of community #fediverse. But you are responsible for your instance and content on it. As right now Mastodon and rest are bellow the grid. Once shit hits the fan, appropriate authorities might step in and close the party (including every other node who helped to distribute inappropriate content). That's why you should be cautious.If an Gab spits poison already now cut it off. If not then just let it be and check on it from time to time.
(DIR) Post #9kVYCt5A2TDNJcm44u by dude@take.iteasy.club
2019-07-04T13:48:29.742239Z
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@Supes yeah, there was a group of 4 or so GS instances that were around before Mastodon started, shitposter, smug, sealion, and freezepeach that were known for being the sort of wild west of the fediverse back in the day. SPC and smug are on Pleroma now. SPC and FZP died with a server failure a few months ago. @snder @noor
(DIR) Post #9kVYPc5oW5XyO89E8W by Supes@socnet.supes.com
2019-07-04T13:50:46Z
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@dude @noor @snder Well im glad there are people on that platform that are pushing free speech as something important. This cancel culture is counter productive and needs to be called out for what it is. Anyway my instance will not censor or block any other instance. If users want to block people they are free to do so but I wont be doing it at the instance level ever
(DIR) Post #9kVYfXP5iaQQTjl3iK by dude@take.iteasy.club
2019-07-04T13:53:40.377539Z
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@Supes fair enough and agreed. I've been on the other side of the SJW wall since they showed up. Even though I'm on a solo instance now I only block illegal content (read cheese pizza). Blocking Gab is silly, I don't want to miss the shitshow :dude-happy: @snder @noor
(DIR) Post #9kVYkB6c36lilpKMtc by Supes@socnet.supes.com
2019-07-04T13:54:29Z
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@dude @noor @snder Yep bring on the shitshow I say!
(DIR) Post #9kVYoBptHALOC4Q1tw by dude@take.iteasy.club
2019-07-04T13:55:14.442825Z
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@Supes indeed, I want to embrace the shitshow by it's whole fucking face :dude: @snder @noor
(DIR) Post #9kVfBhvQjZJo6Pbi2i by Tchambers@mastodon.social
2019-07-04T15:06:39Z
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@snder just block them and let them be on their own servers.
(DIR) Post #9kVfE7KlEj77U7bXiC by mistergrocks@fosstodon.org
2019-07-04T15:07:07Z
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@Supes Is the gab server even federating right now?
(DIR) Post #9kVfQUj45jIDVbsHa4 by Lunnaris@quey.org
2019-07-04T15:09:16Z
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@snder What/Who is gab? 🤷
(DIR) Post #9kVfVrgm8uKAAwMekC by Supes@socnet.supes.com
2019-07-04T15:10:19Z
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@mistergrocks Doesnt look like it. Which makes this hysteria even worse!
(DIR) Post #9kVfgTvOpyzheqGctM by mistergrocks@fosstodon.org
2019-07-04T15:12:14Z
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@Supes Ok. I know some instances are preemptively blocking anything that’s even remotely connected to gab. 🙄
(DIR) Post #9kVfgraeqkfB3SkOtU by snder@quey.org
2019-07-04T15:12:15Z
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@Lunnaris It’s about the ‘free speech’ social network Gab.com who recently joined the fediverse :)
(DIR) Post #9kVfn3DuVkdKs73eka by Supes@socnet.supes.com
2019-07-04T15:13:26Z
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@mistergrocks Yeah, totally bigoted and small minded. Total snowflakes might see some words that offend them. People need to grow up!
(DIR) Post #9kVgux859V9sF5fCNM by Lunnaris@quey.org
2019-07-04T15:26:02Z
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@snder Ok. Thanks for the info 😃
(DIR) Post #9kVq0abQiZLDhb9ZCa by freemo@qoto.org
2019-07-04T17:07:54Z
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@snder Do you have a policy on silencing? I'd argue it should be based on policy not the whims of the masses. But thats just my 2 cents as a non-member. Tyranny of the majority seems to be an ongoing problem with mastodon instances IMO.
(DIR) Post #9kVq9OM3cnT6K2A02q by snder@quey.org
2019-07-04T17:09:29Z
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@freemo Kind of I think but it's not really clear yet where they land I'm afraid. I think the masses are right in this case, I mean we can always silence them later if they cause trouble right!
(DIR) Post #9kVqPo3pollmgJSoyW by freemo@qoto.org
2019-07-04T17:12:27Z
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@snder I mean for me I'd say if the policy isnt clear then clarify on the policy. Set up clear rules for what will get an instance silenced. Then apply it to the behavior of gab. Personally on my server our policy is only to silence servers in extreme situations for example if it is used primarily for spam or if individual users are encourage and allowed to open up multiple accounts to harass people and avoid individual bans without any admin intervention. Stuff like that. We wont silence for users being offensive personally,But each server should have their own policy and apply it objectively IMO.
(DIR) Post #9kVqZv72SFsvRomjWC by snder@quey.org
2019-07-04T17:14:14Z
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@freemo Haha no I meant the whole Gab situation ;-) I think our policy is clear about those things but I want to be sure before silencing them. I haven't seen anything yet from Gab so far so haha!
(DIR) Post #9kVrGBNyLGBk52rFey by jasper@mastodon.nl
2019-07-04T17:21:54Z
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@snder can't vote on this old-version mastodon instance, but would vote suspend.
(DIR) Post #9kWDgN3blfg2neE2Mq by timpera@oc.todon.fr
2019-07-04T21:33:07Z
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@snder I use Gab a lot and I don’t think that I’m an extremist. It’s just a pretty chill media with awesome groups on gardening. 😉
(DIR) Post #9kWeLJUIXe2OPUtQ2K by Scofisticated@quey.org
2019-07-05T02:31:52Z
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@snder There is something to the realm of free speech. And that gab hasnt done anything wrong here, yet. However, are we to ignore thier reputation as having nationalist, supremasists, and neo-nazis? Reputation can be an indication of future actions. My question would be: How sustanciated is the reputation? I would be interested in an investigation.
(DIR) Post #9kWeX22nDr0TmicDb6 by Scofisticated@quey.org
2019-07-05T02:34:00Z
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@snder There is also the matter of allowing toxic idealogies to spread. Twitter/Fb wont firmly block it because it would decrease engadgment and user numbers. For, you know, free (monotary) speech reasons. Maybe that is how we got the new wave of terrorist recruitment and neo-nazism. Perhaps it would have happened anyway. But the more that it is available, the more that those suseptable to it can take it in. That i would like to avoid.
(DIR) Post #9kXAR6p5jqBPP0QUa0 by snder@quey.org
2019-07-05T08:31:29Z
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@Scofisticated It’s a complicated matter that’s for sure! I think it’s best to watch and observe for a little while, we can always make the decision to silence them if things get out of hand 🙂
(DIR) Post #9kbUbJE9FZoAU67wsS by rysdal@quey.org
2019-07-07T10:36:17Z
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@snder #gab is not free sprach but glorification of Nazi Terror!
(DIR) Post #9kbV4ExsB2kjf8JHZw by snder@quey.org
2019-07-07T10:41:29Z
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@rysdal I've setup a test instance on https://cyzed.com if you're interested in checkout out there changes ;)
(DIR) Post #9kbVOxtMqdfonH5KSW by rysdal@quey.org
2019-07-07T10:45:13Z
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@snder And what do you want me to checkout? And how does it work? I do not have good IT skills!
(DIR) Post #9kbVfom407kfREhkem by snder@quey.org
2019-07-07T10:48:13Z
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@rysdal It's just for fun ;) They've changed the complete layout and removed some features..
(DIR) Post #9kbVqAG0yxa4xkeDpo by rysdal@quey.org
2019-07-07T10:50:06Z
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@snder Ok! Sounds funny! But do I have to create a new account for entering the side?
(DIR) Post #9kbWAc6HAlDL6jqLhI by snder@quey.org
2019-07-07T10:53:50Z
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@rysdal Yes you have ;) If you signup I'll confirm your account so you can use a random email
(DIR) Post #9kbWd5BcclDrQQv2Zc by rysdal@quey.org
2019-07-07T10:59:02Z
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@snder Ok, I will sign in!But ... what is a random E-Mail?...
(DIR) Post #9kbWfl4brQFPukumgq by snder@quey.org
2019-07-07T10:59:30Z
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@rysdal Something like:"jkdggjkhdkjhduiudhu@fhfjhfjkhjfk.com"
(DIR) Post #9kbWyHQGKFgnSLsHp2 by rysdal@quey.org
2019-07-07T11:02:53Z
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@snder Just realizing that it is gab, the side for right wing activists! Not what I support!
(DIR) Post #9kbX4CDWamZ737jnQ8 by snder@quey.org
2019-07-07T11:03:56Z
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@rysdal Haha no it's not ;)I've setup my own server with the Gab source code 🙂 It's just a test server and I'll remove anyone who tries to act like it's Gab :)
(DIR) Post #9kbXSOJlFopNWqBxOS by igeljaeger@the.hedgehoghunter.club
2019-07-07T11:08:16.694305Z
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@rysdal @snder go back to facebook BOOMERproxy.duckduckgo.com.jpg
(DIR) Post #9kbXbuVWwUoFyCEgeO by rysdal@quey.org
2019-07-07T11:09:58Z
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@snder OK, will create an account with this Fake Mail: inexpressible@world.eu.But how could I remember if everything is fake?
(DIR) Post #9kbXeJ3gdM4QgzM3RA by maxmustermann@shitposter.club
2019-07-07T11:10:31.207808Z
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@rysdal @snder Naziterror on what? on a@gab.com 's bees?
(DIR) Post #9kbXfEsheLkO1if6My by snder@quey.org
2019-07-07T11:10:33Z
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@igeljaeger @rysdal 🎶 I’ll never will play the wild Facebook rover no more.. and it’s no, neee nevarr! No neeee never no more! 🎵
(DIR) Post #9kbXitE86PAi1cQP8y by rysdal@quey.org
2019-07-07T11:11:09Z
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@snder Now I am told to have received a mail that 8 have to confirm. How could I do this?
(DIR) Post #9kbXllG4BcUABAhSsK by snder@quey.org
2019-07-07T11:11:45Z
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@rysdal Done, you can login now!
(DIR) Post #9kbYB8IxdWRwtf9UH2 by rysdal@quey.org
2019-07-07T11:16:24Z
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@snder Thanks, just entered but not sure what the posts are saying! Seems me I am not understanding the sense of this side! But I will see and ... learn! If I can!
(DIR) Post #9krddIrdLNPEYneHD6 by ChrisWilson@noagendasocial.com
2019-07-15T05:32:53Z
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@UltraCommie @rcode3 @snder @Supes Silencing seems to be far more evil. You spend time crafting a polite response to a post with a carefully worded counter argument only to find that your post is thrown away and they never see it. I can call @gargon@mastodon.social and know he’ll never be offended, because he will never see this post
(DIR) Post #9ksOPdXyLPAcUyRBTc by bender@socnet.supes.com
2019-07-15T14:17:04Z
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@ChrisWilson @UltraCommie @rcode3 @snder @Supes Depends on who is doing the silencing or banning. Once politicians are on fediverse I think they should never ban, only silence. I'm OK with them saying "I never want to see your responses", not OK with "I never want anyone else to see your responses". Unless I misunderstand how silencing works on mastodon?