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(DIR) Post #9kEdJAx7Z0zkLIzNGi by Wolf480pl@niu.moe
2019-06-26T09:53:21Z
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If you worked at Google, and you had a chance to sneak into Chrome code a check that would:- block everyone from using Discord in Chrome (or even would break Discord in a sneaky way),- be hard to find in the code, and- be impossible to trace back to youwould you do that?[ ] Yes[ ] No
(DIR) Post #9kEdJBDQaO2T9scOga by Wolf480pl@niu.moe
2019-06-26T09:55:28Z
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Note: it would explicitly block Discord by name, not any other webapps, even if they worked the same as Discord.
(DIR) Post #9kEdlsmiBsJUOToCAa by ayo@niu.moe
2019-06-26T10:00:42Z
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@Wolf480pl I'd much rather introduce some subtle and ridiculously hard to fix performance regressions. That at least will have a chance at getting released and staying around unfixed for longer.
(DIR) Post #9kEei5RZHanyS0fllg by Wolf480pl@niu.moe
2019-06-26T10:11:13Z
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@ayoI guess that means I formulated the question wrong. It wasn't supposed.to.be about practical concerns.Let me put it that way: Assuming difficulty of noticing this bug, and the chance of it making it to a release and staying there would be magically unaffected by the following choice, would you choose the performance regression to affect:A) only a few named webapps you consider ezceptionally harmfulB) all JS-heavy webappsC) every website?
(DIR) Post #9kEfNCchUhHUagU9Vg by ayo@niu.moe
2019-06-26T10:18:38Z
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@Wolf480pl I'm an engineer, not an academic. Ignoring practical concerns is near impossible for me. 😅But prolly C. At this point I consider Chrome a lot more dangerous than Discord or other specific sites. And I don't have to introduce performance regressions in JS-heavy webapps, they already do that by design.
(DIR) Post #9kEgZUSh6257LTECO0 by Ste1lar@niu.moe
2019-06-26T10:32:04Z
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@Wolf480pl yes because i love caos
(DIR) Post #9kEpOyIOjWmCH9TGwi by NekoSock@niu.moe
2019-06-26T12:11:02Z
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@Wolf480pl I don't really see why you would do that to Discord, there's way more funny things you could do.For instance, add a "hacked by Microsoft" text in the footer of the Google search.That would cause way more chaos, be way more fun to watch and wouldn't directly annoy users.
(DIR) Post #9kEr4x47nV3OZpNPGa by Wolf480pl@niu.moe
2019-06-26T12:29:48Z
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@NekoSock because I think Discord is a disease. But feel free to replace Discord with some other site you wish people stopped using.
(DIR) Post #9kF5C8emUyJPuaqMDY by glaurungo@niu.moe
2019-06-26T15:07:56Z
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@Wolf480pl so... People would be more motivated to use desktop version instead of website? Hell no.If it affected both, or better, just desktop I still wouldn't do it but at least that's worth thinking through.
(DIR) Post #9kF5PSuyTm3mW0lx8S by Wolf480pl@niu.moe
2019-06-26T15:10:23Z
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@glaurungo let's assume it'd affect both.
(DIR) Post #9kF6eDoT1NZLxxKSCu by glaurungo@niu.moe
2019-06-26T15:24:17Z
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@Wolf480pl Still no, since I like that my job is explicitly making things work, and not the opposite.Honestly, I wouldn't feel ethically comfortable even if I was ordered to purposefully break other's people software. Let alone to do so of my own volition.
(DIR) Post #9kF7AKcFGPoIKbvJ4q by Wolf480pl@niu.moe
2019-06-26T15:30:05Z
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@glaurungo ok, but what if you weren't employed by Google, and you've found a vulnerability in their source code repository server that'd let you do that? (as before, with zero chance of being traced back to you)
(DIR) Post #9kF7Wdh116Ndrtn91M by glaurungo@niu.moe
2019-06-26T15:34:06Z
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@Wolf480pl That's even worse.Imagine you could just hack discord servers and introduce problems on them. Pretty much the same effect right?And let's assume it can't be tracked to you. That is just plain black-hattery.I'd much rather prefer people to stop doing things like that than join them.
(DIR) Post #9kF7rVhRvhbF9xwlLk by Wolf480pl@niu.moe
2019-06-26T15:37:52Z
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@glaurungo well hacking Discord wouldn't get Google blamed for it, so you'd be just destroying one of your enemies instead of two. Also, for me, sabotage is worse than black-hattery.Anyway, that's some strong backbone you have. If only more people were like this.
(DIR) Post #9kF82aAvd8n0E30zXU by glaurungo@niu.moe
2019-06-26T15:39:51Z
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@Wolf480pl Honestly, primary reason I wouldn't do any of that is because I'm lazy.And for most "enemies" to be destroyed I think the only thing that is needed is time.Optionally some regulation.
(DIR) Post #9kFBhrIBihrLuGfLTk by Argus@mastodon.technology
2019-06-26T16:20:48Z
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@Wolf480pl Wait, what's up with Discord?
(DIR) Post #9kFCsa9xooDZ24wGUC by Wolf480pl@niu.moe
2019-06-26T16:34:04Z
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@Argus - absolutely proprietary SaaS- exceptionally invasive tracking and exceptionally invasive privacy- many communities, including FOSS projects, are moving from IRC to Discord- your friends using Discord and not wanting to use any FOSS alternative forces you to use Discord tooand a few other reasons for which I consider Discord to be a disease.But feel free to substitute there any other website you consider a disease.
(DIR) Post #9kFDE43dqybzqCE1Ym by Wolf480pl@niu.moe
2019-06-26T16:37:58Z
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@Argus exceptionally invasive privacy policy*
(DIR) Post #9kGiOpGBhizkN1mCsC by Wolf480pl@niu.moe
2019-06-27T10:01:59Z
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Looks like 40% voted "yes", 60% "no".I wonder how many of those people who voted "no" actually don't hate Discord at all. I guess I should've split that to "No, Discord is fine" and "No, even though I hate Discord".
(DIR) Post #9kGiZQflSapdIbnPSC by cutscenes@shitposter.club
2019-06-27T10:03:56.660997Z
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@wolf480pl If I were to break Discord I'd add an IRC client and make Discord redirect to that.
(DIR) Post #9kGitE3c4byDxtOHTc by alexcleac@mastodon.technology
2019-06-27T10:07:25Z
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@Wolf480pl what about "No and I don't care about Discord in particular"?
(DIR) Post #9kGiwwxvYtg879VVBY by Wolf480pl@niu.moe
2019-06-27T10:08:08Z
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Anyway, my answer to the poll would be "No."Even though I think Discord is a disease. And even though having everyone blame Chrome for killing Discord would be fun and could maybe decrease its dominance.I wouldn't do it, because I believe software should always obey the user. And I believe adding something to Chrome that would make it disobey the user even when the user explicitly tells it to open Discord would be wrong."Chrome, open Discord""I'm sorry, Dave, I can't let you do that"is not something I think shouldn't happen to anyone.
(DIR) Post #9kGjNoXH0oGXmvqjwG by ichii@niu.moe
2019-06-27T10:13:02Z
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@Wolf480pl What don't you like about that platform?
(DIR) Post #9kGkiRcNVxLWkIdee8 by Wolf480pl@niu.moe
2019-06-27T10:27:57Z
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@ichii about Discord?See my earlier post:https://niu.moe/@Wolf480pl/102338844676372304
(DIR) Post #9kGlICHS14uPbOtkK8 by tho@niu.moe
2019-06-27T10:34:24Z
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@Wolf480pl except$ rm -rf /
(DIR) Post #9kGleq3UoZyjKhAQUq by mono@shitposter.club
2019-06-27T10:38:32.175832Z
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@wolf480pl i would rather magically hack into the developers of matrix and make a virus that forces them to take things seriously and actually develop a good software that people want to use.or anyone really. For all the talk about how much discord/slack sucks, nobody seems to take the idea of competing against it seriously.
(DIR) Post #9kGm3a6NGbkz5qJNxI by Wolf480pl@niu.moe
2019-06-27T10:42:59Z
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@tho "/" is more of a natural special case than "discordapp.com", and even then, it tells you how to disable this protection:rm: it is dangerous to operate recursively on '/'rm: use --no-preserve-root to override this failsafe
(DIR) Post #9kGmBrRMgcMZBV4tOa by mono@shitposter.club
2019-06-27T10:44:30.841810Z
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@wolf480pl here's my insidious plan on how to kill discord1. make a software called 'better discord' that's purportedly a discord front end by taking advantage of the discord api2. fill it with features and improvements that discord doesn't have yet and fuck their monetization by adding unlimited emojos and less nagware.3. add support for 3rd party servers4. convince your normie buddies to use it.
(DIR) Post #9kGmLBWfNW2c5K0HuC by mono@shitposter.club
2019-06-27T10:46:11.863983Z
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@wolf480pl 5. have unlimited patience to patch whatever dumb shit they try to do to cripple your softwareall of this requires actual work though but hey i thought we were under some kind of existential threat or something.
(DIR) Post #9kGmW4ZVZeO5hbWaY4 by tho@niu.moe
2019-06-27T10:48:07Z
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@Wolf480pl still, doesn't make it less of an exception. the analogy with Discord would be chrome showing a warning when going to discordapp.com
(DIR) Post #9kGpLdikqkSbOOZAg4 by jb55@maly.io
2019-06-27T11:19:51Z
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@Wolf480pl luckily bitlbee saves the day here yet again. Makes discord servers work like normal IRC servers in weechat. No horrible bloaty apps needed.
(DIR) Post #9kGpxSUJ3vGFYeqFE0 by march@marchgenso.me
2019-06-27T11:26:36.338573Z
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@mono @Wolf480pl afaik that twitch frontend is kind of like this model as well.
(DIR) Post #9kGqLBzi2JQHM1qatk by Wolf480pl@niu.moe
2019-06-27T11:30:59Z
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@tho the analogy would be chrome showing warning when going to localhost.
(DIR) Post #9kGqfu8HdnDC2RjZWi by tho@niu.moe
2019-06-27T11:34:40Z
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@Wolf480pl localhost is safe, discord is not, no?
(DIR) Post #9kGsNBNXUodzvs4Pyq by Wolf480pl@niu.moe
2019-06-27T11:53:45Z
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@tho maybe, but that's not the point.localhost is an inherent special case like /.No matter what the year is, which country you live in, and you consider good or bad, / and localhost are objectively special cases.Special-casing discordapp.com would be like special-casingrm -r /var/lib/postgresql/9.4You can't know whether it's safe or not if you don't know the context. It may not even exist in a particular situation in which your software is used. And there are countless more dangerous domains to open, and countless more dangerous directories to delete. And they appear and disappear all the time.
(DIR) Post #9kGsa2SNyj5I1hT2ga by Wolf480pl@niu.moe
2019-06-27T11:56:03Z
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@tho and then, it's much more likely to accidentally run rm on / than to accidentally type discordapp.com
(DIR) Post #9kGsefaSR34UXqS2c4 by Wolf480pl@niu.moe
2019-06-27T11:56:55Z
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@tho tbh, if I knew that whoever runs rm -rf / really means it, I'd object to the requirement of --no-preserve-root flag.
(DIR) Post #9kGtxjfXaBUyf3U4Js by tho@niu.moe
2019-06-27T12:11:34Z
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@Wolf480pl and those sites are constantly being marked as unsafe. never seen this page?
(DIR) Post #9kGx6aCsQrtBmbzGPA by Wolf480pl@niu.moe
2019-06-27T12:46:46Z
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@tho seen it a few times, most of them was false-positives. I disagree with this page's existence, though it's not terrible, because the list of sites isn't hardcoded.But anyway, I think we're getting off topic, what is it that you were trying to prove?
(DIR) Post #9kGxEF2L1ehCRTi3QO by tho@niu.moe
2019-06-27T12:48:08Z
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@Wolf480pl software should not always obey the user
(DIR) Post #9kH060LY3jY0QYSVxw by Wolf480pl@niu.moe
2019-06-27T13:20:14Z
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@tho well, I think that "safe browsing" thing you mentioned causes more trouble than help.
(DIR) Post #9kH1YyD3BRwI9RrMkS by tho@niu.moe
2019-06-27T13:36:43Z
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@Wolf480pl it's not ultimate, you are still a few clicks away from the unsafe site you were trying to access, but you should be careful. this warning is for inexperienced users or for those who are not tech savvy, which is a majority of users