Post 9kDImHiPCtblWFBWuO by tn5421@niu.moe
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(DIR) Post #9kD9lvz76LYyXGl3lg by tn5421@niu.moe
2019-06-25T16:49:52Z
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So what, exactly, is stopping youtubers banned from youtube from doing all of the following steps:1) Making agreements/sponsorship deals with companies to plug them in videos instead of relying on ad revenue. You have to be reasonably popular for this step, sadly.2) Setting up a custom wordpress installation. This allows for various things, such as selling merch, allowing for subscriptions, replacing the youtube video page, and allowing basic subscriptions via RSS.2.5) Each wordpress 'post' would contain a TORRENT LINK to the user's VIDEO, affiliate links, and possibly a word for word recreation of the video's commentary.2.2.5) Wordpress comments have automoderation tools that Youtube only wishes they had. Splitting content and post this way also makes it infinitely easier to archive a person's videos. So long as any one user has the video and torrent file, the content is preserved.
(DIR) Post #9kD9wmC7qDGJME0wLY by tn5421@niu.moe
2019-06-25T16:51:50Z
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I ABSOLUTELY recommend trying to host wordpress on your own if you have any tech savvy, because the difference in costs is huge.business tier wordpress hosting is 300/yearecommerce tier wordpress hosting is 540/yearadding woocommerce to one site adds another 200/yearOn the other hand paying wordpress to take care of that means that all you have to do is focus on your content.I think it would be really interesting to see former youtubers adopt a solution like this.If I missed anything please comment on this thread and I'll do my best to address things.
(DIR) Post #9kDBQ6QPnsxCSAFIhc by tn5421@niu.moe
2019-06-25T17:08:16Z
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@kaori Nothing stops people with larger audiences from starting the process early, especially while they still have a youtube presenceI know for a fact that A Dose of Buckley, for example, has his own website and bandcamp.
(DIR) Post #9kDBbMTOTg4lPX0XFg by hansbauer@fosstodon.org
2019-06-25T17:10:23Z
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@tn5421 the truth is they were counting on youtubes format and algorithms. if they were on their own, they would barely have any audience. they have an audience just because yt is a modern kind of tv. people go there just because it is easy to have things rubbed to their faces. they will not make the effort to go to multiple websites and wait to download torrents with almost no seed. it is too much effort for them.
(DIR) Post #9kDC2neBYMPdVa8fjM by tn5421@niu.moe
2019-06-25T17:15:20Z
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@hansbauer That can be offset in various ways.Having a web-seed early on.Offering content exclusively on not-youtube.Offering content early on not-youtube.Offering a no-ad or single-ad experience on their platform, vs multiple unskippable ads on youtube.For sure, it will turn off the most casual viewers, but I think this is something that might actually catch on if someone big enough picks it up and runs with it.
(DIR) Post #9kDCdS9yPBp3a6U8i8 by hansbauer@fosstodon.org
2019-06-25T17:21:57Z
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@tn5421 im all for going out of centralized platforms, don't get me wrong. we have a lot of free and open options that would work a lot better than yt, in my opinion. but both content creators and the viewers are low effort. they are comfortable with what they have and prefer to make hours and hours of videos whining in yt about yt, than to spend some time working on a true solution, and even if they do, there will be just a few in the audience.
(DIR) Post #9kDDI25iEVNSbTqGNU by tn5421@niu.moe
2019-06-25T17:29:18Z
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@hansbauer The way I see it, if a couple of big names band together to try my idea out, it could put more pressure on youtube than they've had to deal with, ever.Also, I'm not sure how difficult this would be in a technical sense, but it should be possible to embed webtorrent video content in a blog post.I know peertube created a system that does this but I have no idea how easy or hard it would be to replicate.
(DIR) Post #9kDEWkYtmweiXG4jAW by hansbauer@fosstodon.org
2019-06-25T17:43:08Z
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@tn5421 it is pretty easy to replicate. that's not the problem. the problem is the cost of infrastructure. you have to be the first seed and to store all those videos, specially hq videos, you have to pay for storage. and if you have a few seeds, the stream will not be reliable too. you just have to use bitchute for some days to get what i mean. or to try some peertube instances.
(DIR) Post #9kDGuX9XUhrfo3gMHg by tn5421@niu.moe
2019-06-25T18:09:52Z
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@hansbauer I just went and checked, a 15 minute video with moderate amounts of motion is 866MB to download.mediainfo output will be in a direct reply> youtube-dl --no-playlist -o "youtube.mkv" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Co6FePZoNgE
(DIR) Post #9kDGxShqU1qyss7oO0 by tn5421@niu.moe
2019-06-25T18:10:23Z
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[tn5421@argetlam ~]$ mediainfo youtube.webmGeneralComplete name : youtube.webmFormat : WebMFormat version : Version 4File size : 879 MiBDuration : 14 min 43 sOverall bit rate : 8 345 kb/sWriting application : Lavf58.20.100Writing library : Lavf58.20.100VideoID : 1Format : VP9Codec ID : V_VP9Duration : 14 min 43 sWidth : 3 840 pixelsHeight : 1 920 pixelsDisplay aspect ratio : 2.000Frame rate mode : ConstantFrame rate : 29.970 (30000/1001) FPSColor space : YUVLanguage : EnglishDefault : YesForced : NoColor range : LimitedColor primaries : BT.709
(DIR) Post #9kDGykzJztMpsEutjU by tn5421@niu.moe
2019-06-25T18:10:38Z
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Transfer characteristics : BT.709Matrix coefficients : BT.709AudioID : 2Format : OpusCodec ID : A_OPUSDuration : 14 min 43 sChannel(s) : 2 channelsChannel layout : L RSampling rate : 48.0 kHzBit depth : 32 bitsCompression mode : LossyLanguage : EnglishDefault : YesForced : No
(DIR) Post #9kDHCxjVPPBtSJICtU by tn5421@niu.moe
2019-06-25T18:13:10Z
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@hansbauer Most people can spare anywhere from 100GB to 1TB.That's up to 100 videos for a channel like the sample I used. Maybe 60 for a gaming channel. More for shorter videos.
(DIR) Post #9kDHsw08EoYMFN5E3c by hansbauer@fosstodon.org
2019-06-25T18:20:45Z
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@tn5421 i know, what i was trying to say is: everything is possible, if you are willing to pay for storage and bandwidth, and if you are willing to spend time to solve the problems that will appear. and most people don't want to do that. they just want to upload their videos to yt and maybe to do some moderation on the comments. and nothing more, beside cashing some ad money.
(DIR) Post #9kDIJwGJNM9msJWmga by tn5421@niu.moe
2019-06-25T18:25:40Z
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@kaori That's the beauty of webtorrent and having friends.You could even offer perks (or run a contest) to people that consistently load your video up in their bittorrent client and keep it there.
(DIR) Post #9kDIUjW36dFmWr2Ib2 by buntesting@fedi.absturztau.be
2019-06-25T18:27:17.141375Z
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@tn5421 there's also PeerTube
(DIR) Post #9kDIUjiSMVB79KqCw4 by absturztaube@fedi.absturztau.be
2019-06-25T18:27:37.425826Z
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@buntesting @tn5421 :peertube:
(DIR) Post #9kDIZhGmsu3P0iGSZM by tn5421@niu.moe
2019-06-25T18:28:31Z
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@buntesting Running a peertube instance large enough to support a youtuber with 1m or more subs is....probably a lot more expensive than the method I recommended.
(DIR) Post #9kDIc5FUhYxTxYnW6K by tn5421@niu.moe
2019-06-25T18:28:55Z
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@kaori Game-ify it. That tends to work.
(DIR) Post #9kDImHiPCtblWFBWuO by tn5421@niu.moe
2019-06-25T18:30:47Z
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@kaori I'd have to have a following for that.That's why I'm tooting about this here on the fediverse instead of, you know, putting this into practice.
(DIR) Post #9kDJ7t1rfbmfKLaTdg by tn5421@niu.moe
2019-06-25T18:34:41Z
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@kaori This is the part where having community moderation comes in.A contest that a youtuber could do is to challenge their viewers to see who seeds their content the longest.The attached screenshot has per-torrent ratio, the time the torrent was added, and the amount of time the torrent has been active.Winners could be selected from any or all of these options.
(DIR) Post #9kDJkJQ00IQqAzCNxg by polar@niu.moe
2019-06-25T18:41:38Z
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@tn5421 However unreasonable that sounds, people are watching YouTube because it's YouTube, not bc they want particular content; and so they won't look elsewhere. People want a comment section, bubbly recommendation algorithm, and the feeling of watching same thing as another million of viewers. It's unreasonable to expect creators not to try to be there.Bandwidth, scaling, security, research, other maintenance costs will prevent already sleepless content creators from setting it up, as well.
(DIR) Post #9kDMgnWwPEZ8GrSgYi by blakel252@mastodon.host
2019-06-25T19:14:36Z
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@tn5421 @buntesting You can also run on an existing instance. There's nothing stopping you from finding an instance that has infinite total quota to put your videos on. Absolutely agree though about the expenses in running an instance.
(DIR) Post #9kELu33q4LzhPHZ0rI by wolfie@pleroma.wolfie.pw
2019-06-25T20:13:24.262524Z
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@tn5421 Anything that results in less power concentrated in the hands of the big providers is good in my book :)
(DIR) Post #9kELwFe2Fnkz0vXq9w by polar@niu.moe
2019-06-25T18:43:28Z
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@tn5421 it's similar situation as with a political party not being on a classic TV at all - that party puts their message somewhere, but very hard to compete in elections.
(DIR) Post #9kEM3q5x8BM05cDlvU by tn5421@niu.moe
2019-06-26T06:42:17Z
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@polarReminds me of something @r000t mentioned once."Your audience may only know how to SMASH THAT NOTIFICATION BELL"
(DIR) Post #9kEULddiyf3GJ212eG by r000t@infosec.exchange
2019-06-26T08:15:09Z
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@polarAll of these things you've mentioned, are conveniences. They're convenient, nice to haves. They're tools that you can rent from Google, and the purchase price of that convenience is that you are now subject to Google's rules, which may change at any time. You are also now subject to the enforcement of Google's rules. If they are erroneously enforced on you, this is the price paid for the conveniences received. @tn5421
(DIR) Post #9kEUYO508mH5oOqyqO by r000t@infosec.exchange
2019-06-26T08:17:27Z
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@buntestingYeha PeerTube already has a lot of these features and it has federation built in so you can boost a video like any other status and follow a channel like any other Actor. @tn5421
(DIR) Post #9kFAC450Xd94LSmD6u by buntesting@fedi.absturztau.be
2019-06-26T16:03:35.971120Z
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@r000t @tn5421 there's also an activitypub plugin for wordpress
(DIR) Post #9kFAC58waTt7dxcrsu by r000t@infosec.exchange
2019-06-26T16:04:01Z
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@buntesting @tn5421 Yeah but it sux. See also: @r000t