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(DIR) Post #9k0VtYe2AS31SSFkFU by fitheach@mstdn.io
2019-06-19T14:26:29Z
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As mentioned earlier I'm doing some testing of various "chat" apps/protocols.Included on my list are:* Wire* Jitsi* Matrix using RiotA web interface is a requirement. Nice to have voice, video & file transfer (maybe also E2E). Signal is out, registering with phone app is a dealbreaker.Any others I should consider?
(DIR) Post #9k0WF2VaKWjy9yXo0W by kawaiipunk@sunbeam.city
2019-06-19T14:30:15Z
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@fitheach * XMPP with OMEMO* DeltaChat
(DIR) Post #9k0XEdz3c0Uy3Ihlei by fitheach@mstdn.io
2019-06-19T14:41:31Z
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@kawaiipunk OMEMO is there a web client?DeltaChat doesn't do real time voice/video, does it?
(DIR) Post #9k0YPivrebBYXV3hEu by gemlog@mastodonten.de
2019-06-19T14:54:42Z
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@fitheach Jami (formerly named GNU Ring)https://jami.net/I've tested it with a couple of people for chat, voice and video.
(DIR) Post #9k0YdrrbFDs8IEoAqm by fitheach@mstdn.io
2019-06-19T14:57:16Z
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@gemlog Unless I'm missing something there isn't a web interface.
(DIR) Post #9k0c7uVmGOUV3WcO1o by gemlog@mastodonten.de
2019-06-19T15:35:40Z
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@fitheach That's true I think. I've tested the program on the linux desktop and with both apple and android phones, but I don't recall a web interface.
(DIR) Post #9k0cDxATIfGb22XANk by gemlog@mastodonten.de
2019-06-19T15:36:49Z
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@fitheach I missed that line - why is web a requirement?
(DIR) Post #9k0cWxVSGXzxaFPYdU by CitizenZero@mstdn.io
2019-06-19T15:40:51Z
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@fitheach Telegram?
(DIR) Post #9k0dLyNgm0BZ476WAK by fitheach@mstdn.io
2019-06-19T15:50:03Z
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@gemlog Specified by my OH. She wants to persuade her friends to use "the solution". First stage would be getting them to try before installing anything.
(DIR) Post #9k0dqoXjOuINWwVXGq by gemlog@mastodonten.de
2019-06-19T15:55:38Z
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@fitheach Ah. I think it's probably easier to implement strong crypto without using a web interface.I normally abhor 'apps' as they are usually simply replacing the flexible interface of web browser with a walled garden, but I made an exception for GNU Ring/jami.It's easily installed on every platform I've tried, but I'm not a fan of its interface frankly.But then, I write gui's that others have me change and i don't adapt well to some gui's that everyone else likes!
(DIR) Post #9k0e1e10snPm44MtZQ by fitheach@mstdn.io
2019-06-19T15:57:37Z
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@CitizenZero Erm, there is a Telegram app that runs in Chrome, but there isn't a web interface, is there?
(DIR) Post #9k0eH7F0VLQh3BI71c by vautee@chaos.social
2019-06-19T16:00:14Z
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@fitheach @CitizenZero oh, there is: web.telegram.org
(DIR) Post #9k0eOzwTWeA2jJNiWu by CitizenZero@mstdn.io
2019-06-19T16:01:51Z
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@fitheach Yes, I would say that of them all, Telegram is the most polished.
(DIR) Post #9k0el7OYUqFMDQ408m by fitheach@mstdn.io
2019-06-19T16:05:49Z
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@vautee @CitizenZero Telegram web app:"It is always synced with the Telegram app on your mobile device..."So, it requires installation on a smartphone.
(DIR) Post #9k0eqRkyDiFyoV5YtU by CitizenZero@mstdn.io
2019-06-19T16:06:48Z
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@fitheach @vautee I don't *believe* so, but it's worth checking out!
(DIR) Post #9k0fCC1DPkD2NF3ZMe by fitheach@mstdn.io
2019-06-19T16:10:43Z
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@gemlog Probably true about the strong crypto, though that is less of a requirement at the moment.Some, like Matrix, have a web interface, but also have E2E using other clients.
(DIR) Post #9k0fTtFfvYatNlG6hk by fitheach@mstdn.io
2019-06-19T16:13:55Z
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@CitizenZero That was a direct quote from web.telegram.orgPlus, the login requires your mobile number.@vautee
(DIR) Post #9k0jIKmq7wFB7cW54q by vautee@chaos.social
2019-06-19T16:56:38Z
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@fitheach @CitizenZero my bad!
(DIR) Post #9k0wK8GGxvEIG6TGiW by fitheach@mstdn.io
2019-06-19T19:22:37Z
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In no particular order I'm trying Matrix via riot.im first.I had to register to look around, and that required using reCAPTCHA (grrr).The interface looks clean and understandable, except none of the buttons have any icons. Eh?Clicking around doesn't seem to result in lightening fast responses. Maybe I've chosen a busy time.More to come...#Matrix
(DIR) Post #9k0ww06Xk0aTxryeXI by GreenandBlack@sunbeam.city
2019-06-19T19:29:28Z
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@fitheach Jami and Tox are another two contenders
(DIR) Post #9k0xSaFwriMLLzugds by fitheach@mstdn.io
2019-06-19T19:35:22Z
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@GreenandBlack Jami doesn't have a web interface. As far as I can tell there was a web interface for Tox, WebTox, but the project was abandoned.
(DIR) Post #9k0yS4tnYDG83TsKzg by jamie@fosstodon.org
2019-06-19T19:46:28Z
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@fitheach There were problems with the main server being overloaded the last time I tried it.
(DIR) Post #9k0z2owNqWsJHAbZI0 by fitheach@mstdn.io
2019-06-19T19:53:07Z
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@jamie Yeah, I thought something like that might be the reason. Heavens knows what it would be like with video. 😃
(DIR) Post #9k0zPDiaPA9qUbpf7o by jamie@fosstodon.org
2019-06-19T19:57:09Z
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@fitheach They desperately need people to run their own servers, but it’s still a bit of a pain. I had it running for a while.
(DIR) Post #9k15Soi3vXSzoVgYr2 by fitheach@mstdn.io
2019-06-19T21:05:03Z
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@jamie Yeah, I'd noticed lots of links for "move this to your own server" or some such. A bummer if something is getting really popular, but all it does is cost you money.
(DIR) Post #9k1FMN9IU1xE8izRa4 by edavies@octodon.social
2019-06-19T19:46:56Z
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@gemlog Did you manage to make ordinary SIP VoIP calls (e.g. to the PSTN) with Ring/Jami? It's supposed to be able to do that but I couldn't figure out how. (I normally use Sipgate and Linphone for that but Linphone has its issues so was looking for a replacement.)@fitheach
(DIR) Post #9k1FMNKdnr1ohuIVGK by gemlog@mastodonten.de
2019-06-19T19:56:59Z
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@edavies That I didn't do, sorry.Maybe @cosullivan - have you used SIP with Jami/Ring Christina?
(DIR) Post #9k1FMNX33ix9KO6PbM by cosullivan@mastodon.sdf.org
2019-06-19T22:55:51Z
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@gemlog Nope, I haven't used SIP with Jami/Ring @edavies
(DIR) Post #9k1rEEAVmjI2EG6Ljs by xosem@mstdn.io
2019-06-20T06:00:15Z
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@fitheach #Conversejs (.org) is web client for #xmpp with #omemo available (click green pad)If you want to use omemo it has to be available on BOTH clients You may try movim.eu, but I'm not sure if it supports omemo on its web/browser interface. Their server has it and works fine with android client.jami.net is worth you consider it, NO web client, but it has clients for all platforms, really decentralized and FSF endorsed@kawaiipunk
(DIR) Post #9k25b5rqDHQoVCAM2S by orbifx@mstdn.io
2019-06-20T08:41:14Z
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@fitheach #XMPP for sure. Best out there for #IM in my view. Would be nice to finally chat and got a room we have regular discussions with other folk from Mastodon.
(DIR) Post #9k264zRieU9PH4Cfiq by fitheach@mstdn.io
2019-06-20T08:46:39Z
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@xosem Thanks for the suggestions. I'll need to research first before further comment.The web i/f is crucial, here is why. The target users are all non-techie types to whom software freedom is not a passing consideration. They use FB and WhatsApp because it was probably pre-installed, and *all* their friends use them. A web interface allows them to try a new "service" without installing. If they like the new service, and see benefits, *then* an installation can be contemplated.@kawaiipunk
(DIR) Post #9k26QMZfrAo15R7EZs by fitheach@mstdn.io
2019-06-20T08:50:32Z
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@orbifx XMPP may well be, but the client app will be the deciding factor.I agree about your chat idea.I have only tested Matrix via Riot, so far, and, with caveats I was impressed. My comments on Riot coming later...
(DIR) Post #9k26w8FEfYzpuWhjE0 by orbifx@mstdn.io
2019-06-20T08:56:15Z
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@fitheach #Conversations for Android is one of the best (in terms of quality) applications I have used. There is Gajim for desktops & laptops; Dino is up and coming but only for Linux just now.As other's mentioned there are web-apps too. Also check out Movim.eu which has a very pleasant web interface on-top of XMPP and has groups and news too.
(DIR) Post #9k27QLKIb2wzAcTiee by nawi@fedi.absturztau.be
2019-06-20T09:00:39.450097Z
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@orbifx @fitheach What about https://m.conversejs.org/ for XMPP > She wants to persuade her friends to use "the solution".
(DIR) Post #9k28kJGo3FnAXRvglk by fitheach@mstdn.io
2019-06-20T09:16:32Z
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@orbifx @xosem movim.euI'm half-sold already, it has Vim in the domain name. 😉
(DIR) Post #9k29e3T1zd47kAEFdY by wefroch@mastodon.xyz
2019-06-20T09:26:20Z
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@fitheach I never saw any icon buttons in Riot, only grey squares. I believe, that's on purpose and normal.
(DIR) Post #9k29iS5kNjeVH0R0kK by fitheach@mstdn.io
2019-06-20T09:27:24Z
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@nawiThanks for the suggestion, added to my list.Going through the options (properly) might take me a wee while. @orbifx
(DIR) Post #9k2AEfOwQsaXopm2Pw by fitheach@mstdn.io
2019-06-20T09:33:13Z
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@wefroch Really? I'm gobsmacked! That would seem bizarre. Not having icons really slows down user interaction.I tried clearing my browser cache, to no avail.I'll see if there are bug/issue reports somewhere.
(DIR) Post #9k2IutEoB6LwWng8XY by fitheach@mstdn.io
2019-06-20T11:10:29Z
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@wefroch This is surely a bug. Will submit a bug report shortly.Take a look at the screenshot on the about page, it clearly shows FontAwesome type icons:https://about.riot.im/
(DIR) Post #9k2aObSSXuOXIEom80 by fitheach@mstdn.io
2019-06-20T14:26:21Z
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@wefroch Response from bug report:"The icons use mask-image, which was added to Firefox 53"Might be the same issue for you.https://github.com/vector-im/riot-web/issues/10126
(DIR) Post #9k2uQlsskbtxI9UKXI by wefroch@mastodon.xyz
2019-06-20T18:10:50Z
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@fitheach That's very likely, indeed. I tested Riot on an older system with Firefox 52.9. Thanks!