Post 9jECaIMHlnFaim5u9Q by loke@pleroma.site
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(DIR) Post #9jDuSVMtiX4fZxW4I4 by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-05-27T03:40:54.661397Z
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data availability does not mean consent is granted to third parties to process the published data in any way they wish.this especially includes longterm archival of people's personal lives.if archive team archived the entirety of google plus, it would be a scandal.
(DIR) Post #9jDuWN9ODGsBFZ2fYW by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-05-27T03:41:36.642947Z
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cue cancellation by tech bros in 3... 2... 1...
(DIR) Post #9jDufi8LZF4Qw00Voe by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-05-27T03:43:17.955901Z
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by the way, your posts are protected by copyright — if you were included in the archive team’s berries.space dump, send them a DMCA. make copyright law work for you for once.
(DIR) Post #9jDuli0kw42CIBJhdA by DashEquals@linuxrocks.online
2019-05-27T03:43:31Z
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@kaniini > if archive team archived the entirety of google plus, it would be a scandal.Uh, we kinda did. https://www.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Google%2B
(DIR) Post #9jDuliC6Ft6mrMclJQ by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-05-27T03:44:22.526260Z
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@DashEquals yeah, but nobody knows that you did. if people did know, it would be a scandal. stop archiving people's private lives.
(DIR) Post #9jDus9GUWGhSYWkP3I by DashEquals@linuxrocks.online
2019-05-27T03:45:07Z
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@kaniini I really don't think that many people cared. We provided an easy way to opt-out.
(DIR) Post #9jDus9Q3wgM92DE2yG by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-05-27T03:45:27.767367Z
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@DashEquals and did you offer any way to opt-out to berries.space users?
(DIR) Post #9jDv2eYP2iqAUb8Oqu by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-05-27T03:47:18.614808Z
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@DashEquals having an opt-out campaign is not consent, by the way.i can't wait until the youth of tomorrow are attacked for their awkward posts they made on berries.space. you've done great work for KiwiFarms et al.
(DIR) Post #9jDv9yZV13TabT8gam by DashEquals@linuxrocks.online
2019-05-27T03:46:51Z
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@kaniini Not directly, but what exactly should we have done? Pinged every user on https://berries.space and asked them to opt out? All we did was download public data and put it in the Wayback Machine.
(DIR) Post #9jDv9yp653x9NqR8u8 by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-05-27T03:48:40.227217Z
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@DashEquals you shouldn't have done it to begin with you fucking dumb fuck tech bro.let them export their own data and publish it somewhere else if they want it to remain existing.
(DIR) Post #9jDvJWWo8T4yWYQtaS by DashEquals@linuxrocks.online
2019-05-27T03:49:18Z
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@kaniini I'm sorry but I really don't see that many people going onto https://web.archive.org to find somewhat cringy posts made on a defunct Mastodon instance to harass the people who made them.
(DIR) Post #9jDvJXCHeGFwbBq1Ee by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-05-27T03:50:21.363295Z
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@DashEquals yes, *you* do not see the possible consequences of your own actions. this is painfully obvious.get the fuck out of this space and go back to hacker news where you belong.
(DIR) Post #9jDvVvY8vq4dbNyJvs by DashEquals@linuxrocks.online
2019-05-27T03:50:19Z
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@kaniini So are you against projects like the Wayback Machine altogether?
(DIR) Post #9jDvVvkuAOHYExwVpA by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-05-27T03:52:37.318775Z
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@DashEquals i think that the wayback machine can be very useful for research. that does not mean that i think wayback machine should be indexing the fediverse.thankfully, Pleroma presently defeats the wayback machine by keeping everything locked away behind JavaScript.your lack of understanding of basic data processing consent has certainly motivated me to keep it that way. lain was absolutely right that we should not be shipping a Static FE.
(DIR) Post #9jDw61ipScOzAcBSIi by Flashfire42@pleroma.site
2019-05-27T03:56:32.466343Z
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@kaniini @DashEquals This is beautiful. You do realize that if you care enough about it that you can request a url be excluded from wayback quite easily. I can see where you are coming from I really do but did you never learn once it is on the net it is there forever. That has been taught for as long as the internet has been public accessible. ArchiveTeam may have gone about it the wrong way sometimes but I would rather the preservation be done the wrong way than not at all. You can argue semantics all day but the preservation of knowledge is important. Even if it is stupid false knowledge.
(DIR) Post #9jDw61ymVJA7y5eCAK by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-05-27T03:59:09.190537Z
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@Flashfire42 @DashEquals preservation of knowledge is important, but preservation of people posting about whether or not they are gay or trans is not knowledge worthy of preservation.you are absolutely right that we need to do better with robots.txt to harden against such scraping. part of this is absolutely our fault as fediverse developers as a whole.these tools aren't used for spreading academic knowledge, but for spreading personal details in the user's day to day life. archive team should be leaving fediverse alone.
(DIR) Post #9jDwYh3rM85RUQgqI4 by DashEquals@linuxrocks.online
2019-05-27T04:01:54Z
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@kaniini @Flashfire42 > preservation of people posting about whether or not they are gay or trans is not knowledge worthy of preservationThat's your opinion, based off of what we currently know. In the 1900's, we thought that "preservation of films isn't knowledge worthy of preservation". Now, people would love to see those old films, but they can't, because no one thought they were important.We're trying to avoid that. Who knows what people in the future might want to see from our time?
(DIR) Post #9jDwYhFCfxA23bztyK by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-05-27T04:04:26.332490Z
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@DashEquals @Flashfire42 ah, so we should violate the intimacy of someone's personal space, and archive all their data without their consent, for the benefit of anthropologists 100 years from now.how about no.
(DIR) Post #9jDwgHdDmpdewCqif2 by kaikatsu@pleroma.site
2019-05-27T04:05:49.738551Z
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@DashEquals @Flashfire42 @kaniini If people 100 years in the future enjoy the several thousand "I'm gay" posts that fly by on the timeline daily, they're really wasting their time lol
(DIR) Post #9jDwiU4CWY1q5GWBay by DashEquals@linuxrocks.online
2019-05-27T04:05:26Z
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@kaniini @Flashfire42 We're not archiving followers only posts, and we never intend to. If someone posts something publicly, it's not "their personal space", it's public.
(DIR) Post #9jDwiUINfpN4nF9VhI by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-05-27T04:06:12.488469Z
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@DashEquals @Flashfire42 PUBLIC POSTS DO NOT IMPLY ARCHIVAL CONSENT.
(DIR) Post #9jDwrj8brL1PQrzIWG by Flashfire42@pleroma.site
2019-05-27T04:05:41.949424Z
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@kaniini @DashEquals Then they shouldnt have posted it. Though if we were to have a middle ground then it should be the data grabbed and then darked. Inaccessible for majority of users until such time has deemed that it is outside of copyright?
(DIR) Post #9jDwrjItF7FFwknVXk by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-05-27T04:07:53.030660Z
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@Flashfire42 @DashEquals everytime anyone who says “LOL WHATEVER YOU POST ON THE INTERNET IS THERE FOREVER” i immediately tune them the fuck out because they are absolutely part of the problemso just fuck off of this conversation, honestly. if that’s the core of your argument, you’re just a bootlicker for Big Data.
(DIR) Post #9jDwySX9zVQxxlgIBE by Flashfire42@pleroma.site
2019-05-27T04:08:21.419140Z
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@kaniini @DashEquals Tell that to all of the letters published that famous people wrote hundreds of years ago.
(DIR) Post #9jDwySg1SYWUPFpMzg by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-05-27T04:09:05.729965Z
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@Flashfire42 @DashEquals past crimes do not justify future crimes.
(DIR) Post #9jDxAneNJ4kqvfwM8O by Flashfire42@pleroma.site
2019-05-27T04:09:31.143626Z
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@kaniini @DashEquals I didnt say its a good thing that this occurs I was saying its the sad reality of our situation.
(DIR) Post #9jDxAnxABDmdrwjMQ4 by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-05-27T04:11:19.520449Z
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@Flashfire42 @DashEquals it occurs because people don't even bother to care about data processing consent. and they are enabled in their own enterprises by this apathy.you are harming people by justifying the archival of fediverse participant's data without their explicit consent.personally i am 100% convinced to never ever ship Static FE in Pleroma because of this. Static FE is as good as cancelled.
(DIR) Post #9jDxFw7nE5Eif09L8a by glitch@netzsphaere.xyz
2019-05-27T04:07:59.035685Z
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@DashEquals @Flashfire42 @kaniini That's the digital equivalent to "I took creepshots of you in public and show them to everyone who asks, but I'll delete them if you ask"Everyone could have seen you sitting there, it's a public space after all, but are you really OK with them archiving and showing those pictures to everyone?
(DIR) Post #9jDxPamDS6tNLXf4AS by Flashfire42@pleroma.site
2019-05-27T04:12:53.808010Z
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@kaniini @DashEquals I mean if we can get their explicit permission that would be absolutely fantastic but by the time we get in contact with everyone all that data will be gone whether somebody wanted it saved or not. We are solving problems that need a fine scalpel with a machete because we dont have any other alternatives available to us at this time
(DIR) Post #9jDxPb6mDfL4NJHUDQ by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-05-27T04:13:59.863460Z
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@Flashfire42 @DashEquals here’s an idea: if they didn’t say “yes, archive my data” when you announced your intention to do so, then they don’t want it archived.“what about the guy who hasn’t touched his account in 5 years?”that guy especially doesn’t want it archived.
(DIR) Post #9jDxW3gOtPVWjd1aHA by didnt1able@nii-san.club
2019-05-27T04:15:11.036099Z
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@kaniini @Flashfire42 @DashEquals :what_kanna:
(DIR) Post #9jDxWpMXcY8ubw6OzA by DashEquals@linuxrocks.online
2019-05-27T04:12:40Z
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@kaniini @Flashfire42 And you complained about Gargron making unilateral decisions to exclude things from Mastodon that harmed accessibility because he disagreed with what they could possibly be used for?
(DIR) Post #9jDxWpYwsQ4FEPuJKC by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-05-27T04:15:18.137288Z
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@DashEquals @Flashfire42 nothing stops somebody from forking Static FE and continuing it, manually installing the Static FE module into their own instance.
(DIR) Post #9jDxdG890mhnMpR2RM by DashEquals@linuxrocks.online
2019-05-27T04:15:56Z
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@kaniini @Flashfire42 And nothing stops people from switching to glitch-soc?
(DIR) Post #9jDxdGVtaThiYUY0Se by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-05-27T04:16:27.830664Z
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@DashEquals @Flashfire42 indeed, nothing stops people from switching. that's why i tell people to switch now.
(DIR) Post #9jDxj3Sn1JWzoor5xg by DashEquals@linuxrocks.online
2019-05-27T04:16:52Z
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@kaniini @Flashfire42 So you're perfectly fine with what Gargron did and didn't complain at all?
(DIR) Post #9jDxj3fCHBSKRIf0Ii by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-05-27T04:17:30.812054Z
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@DashEquals @Flashfire42 i'm not fine with most of what Gargron does, but i did tell people on that issue to cool their jets and use glitch instead.
(DIR) Post #9jDxtyQ27EaVMJlx9k by DashEquals@linuxrocks.online
2019-05-27T04:17:55Z
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@kaniini @Flashfire42 OK, so if you're not fine with that, then why are you making the same type of decision?
(DIR) Post #9jDxtyd9KT500zuQbI by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-05-27T04:19:29.128569Z
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@DashEquals @Flashfire42 it's not the same type of decision. Pleroma's core philosophy is security.your work with berries.space demonstrated that Static FE will be abused to harm Pleroma users, and arguably that your motives are not really about 'accessibility', but instead scraping.
(DIR) Post #9jDyDdrqEe8lPZ9sEy by DashEquals@linuxrocks.online
2019-05-27T04:21:59Z
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@kaniini @Flashfire42 We did say that from the beginning when we requested it, actually: https://git.pleroma.social/pleroma/pleroma/issues/426."harm", in this case, is subjective.
(DIR) Post #9jDyDe4bTCLg39848G by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-05-27T04:23:02.515728Z
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@DashEquals @Flashfire42 you are definitely exposing users to harm by archiving their personal posts without their explicit consent. in many places, you could be sued for doing this.i guarantee you that at least one person will be blackmailed over what shows up in the berries.space dump.
(DIR) Post #9jDyfzPFkPqSJzIrke by DashEquals@linuxrocks.online
2019-05-27T04:09:48Z
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@glitch @Flashfire42 @kaniini I disagree. It's more the equivalent of "you sent me a suggestive Snapchat and I screenshotted it".
(DIR) Post #9jDyfze8r3kr4AGkxU by glitch@netzsphaere.xyz
2019-05-27T04:24:42.997238Z
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@DashEquals @kaniini @Flashfire42 if someone would save your suggestive photos and you aren't OK with that, you wouldn't continue to send them pictures, would you? But what's the option for your public posts? Many archival bots ignore the robots.txt and to opt-out every account at every archive would be very time consuming. The easiest option would be to stop posting but that can't be the goal, to take away a platform for expressing oneself from someone just because they want their data to be ephemeral
(DIR) Post #9jDyfzu5tkVzrdjUp6 by DashEquals@linuxrocks.online
2019-05-27T04:26:00Z
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@glitch @Flashfire42 @kaniini Post them to "followers only"? Also, there aren't (currently) "multiple archives" to opt-out of.
(DIR) Post #9jDyg05RDZaaQp2YVM by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-05-27T04:28:01.680916Z
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@DashEquals @Flashfire42 @glitch there are already archives to opt out of. one of the mastodon mobile apps sends a copy of every post it sees to a third-party service.it is possible to share something with the public at large without consenting to it being archived forever. really! it is! it's the law, in fact.
(DIR) Post #9jDyiROSf9WlhY6NcW by clarjon1@connected.cat6.network
2019-05-27T04:28:37.012275Z
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@kaniini @DashEquals @Flashfire42 @glitch Which app is that?
(DIR) Post #9jE2NMqwkUrnM2dHmq by jack@mastodon.allnutt.net
2019-05-27T05:07:33Z
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@kaniini GDPR, if you're in the EU/EEA, would also help here.
(DIR) Post #9jE58xnbOyhPSXtL8a by sophia@glitterkitten.co.uk
2019-05-27T05:39:16Z
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@kaniini "More important are pictures, discussions, etc. It's easier to just grab everything, though (and a random "I'm gay" post isn't harmful to anyone)."Holy shit that guySo it's fine to take photos of people and publish them elsewhere without them knowing or consenting, and since you need to KNOW to opt-out, leaving them blind to the whole thing. Fuck techbros tbh, this is why no one likes them
(DIR) Post #9jE58xwoqi4Vv8ChVI by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-05-27T05:40:30.856465Z
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@sophia not to mention a random "I'm gay" post could wind up being harmful to someone, since they will have thought the post vanished 5 years down the line when the instance doesn't exist anymore.
(DIR) Post #9jE5c0yseOqLj41HG4 by sophia@glitterkitten.co.uk
2019-05-27T05:45:29Z
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@kaniini I've seen wayback machine content come back to bite people, and it is used as a tool for harassment with people's content archived when they're having meltdowns and shit.
(DIR) Post #9jE8Xt7GFXY62OfBp2 by tutu@midnight.dance
2019-05-27T06:06:19Z
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@kaniini hey, i'm one of the former admins of berries (and the one who handled all the financials/still owns the domain). this is absolutely not acceptable and the former admin team will be taking action as soon as we figure out the proper channels.mastodon HAS an archive function and we made it very clear to users how to use it in the days before the site went down. anyone who wanted an archive of their posts would have downloaded them already. berries had A LOT of minors who didn't give any kind of consent to have their posts archived. berries also had a lot of artists and content creators and their work is now also archived without their consent.
(DIR) Post #9jE8XtNvFasOs4SUnA by tutu@midnight.dance
2019-05-27T06:17:28Z
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@kaniini @DashEquals our github fork still exists: https://github.com/corrinr/mastodon why didn't you open an issue there to request that the instance be archived? or find one of the former admins on an alt to contact us directly? this is a decision that directly impacts the 2000 former users, but also anyone whose posts were federated to berries. of those users, hundreds were LGBT minors, many of whom lived in situations where it was unsafe for them to be out. almost everyone on the instance was marginalized in some way or another and spoke about their experiences with marginalization. the majority of us were also mentally ill and this is going to cause paranoia and anxiety among, again, LGBT children, many of whom are people of color, because this was, again, done in secret and without consent.please give me the correct contact info to request an immediate takedown of the archive.
(DIR) Post #9jE8dtZpRvR7CitFzs by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-05-27T06:19:50.556323Z
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@tutu yeah, i figured you all didn't consent to having Archive Team archive your instance. if you place a robots.txt blocking ia_archiver user agent, archive.org should delete all the data Archive Team uploaded to their service.
(DIR) Post #9jE9wRdNfDcnzuxbsG by tutu@midnight.dance
2019-05-27T06:33:37Z
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@kaniini ty, we're going to be emailing them tomorrow but i'll do this too. the server is shut down and all i have still is the domain until it expires--is there a way to set up a robots.txt just through the domain service or will i have to set up new hosting for it to get that to work?
(DIR) Post #9jE9wRlBCDraO6bq1w by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-05-27T06:34:16.577345Z
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@tutu if you'd like, i can set up a blackhole server that anyone can point their domain to that has the appropriate 410 Gone messages and robots.txt content
(DIR) Post #9jEC96N2EU3firThFA by jack@mastodon.allnutt.net
2019-05-27T06:48:38Z
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@DashEquals @kaniini What is the legal basis under which you are processing the personal data?
(DIR) Post #9jEC96WxdZzwDe7ciO by DashEquals@linuxrocks.online
2019-05-27T06:51:04Z
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@jack @kaniini What do you mean?
(DIR) Post #9jEC96gB5JN2gEQz56 by jack@mastodon.allnutt.net
2019-05-27T06:53:48Z
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@DashEquals @kaniiniHoly shit you're processing personal data and you don't know what that means?Go read Article 6 of the General Data Protection Regulation.
(DIR) Post #9jEC96q6UPJJB14uYK by DashEquals@linuxrocks.online
2019-05-27T06:54:04Z
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@jack @kaniini I'm not processing any personal data.
(DIR) Post #9jEC96yxxSOpcVDzMm by jack@mastodon.allnutt.net
2019-05-27T06:55:16Z
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@DashEquals @kaniini Then I suggest you read Article 4(1) and (2) of the GDPR and re-think what you just said.
(DIR) Post #9jEC97Ev099yPygjEO by DashEquals@linuxrocks.online
2019-05-27T06:56:20Z
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@jack @kaniini No, really. I used "we" to refer to ArchiveTeam but I'm not the one leading the project or storing the data for the Google+ grab.
(DIR) Post #9jEC97UW49dXCLzBXk by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-05-27T06:58:57.862765Z
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@DashEquals @jack well, they should probably read the GDPR then.
(DIR) Post #9jECaIMHlnFaim5u9Q by loke@pleroma.site
2019-05-27T07:03:02.034106Z
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@kaniini @tutu I'm afraid that doesn't work anymore: https://boingboing.net/2017/04/22/internet-archive-to-ignore-rob.html
(DIR) Post #9jECaImWCGEa28Mr2W by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-05-27T07:04:00.433389Z
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@loke @tutu grrr. fuck me. honestly?
(DIR) Post #9jECmwBPWqOHi52I2y by jack@mastodon.allnutt.net
2019-05-27T07:03:23Z
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@DashEquals @kaniini Okay then. Since you said "we", does that mean you are part of the ArchiveTeam?And if so, have they ever discussed data protection with you?
(DIR) Post #9jECmwNomiJcKYqCO0 by DashEquals@linuxrocks.online
2019-05-27T07:04:45Z
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@jack @kaniini There's no process for being part of ArchiveTeam, it's not a formal thing.And no, they haven't. GDPR regulations are a bit over the top and, while successfully regulating some areas, waaay overstep in others.
(DIR) Post #9jECmwYS9Ap2rXogxk by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-05-27T07:06:09.853480Z
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@DashEquals @jack laws are laws and ArchiveTeam has to follow them like everyone else. big oof, amirite?
(DIR) Post #9jEDLWwhLu8xZbeKPo by jack@mastodon.allnutt.net
2019-05-27T07:10:28Z
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@kaniini @DashEquals BIG :oof:, indeed.Also not that I did not ask if they had discussed the GDPR, I asked if they had discussed data protection. Like, at all.
(DIR) Post #9jEDLXBETrlmIgRw4O by DashEquals@linuxrocks.online
2019-05-27T07:11:18Z
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@jackWhat data? Everything that archiveteam does is public. There's nothing to protect.@kaniini
(DIR) Post #9jEDLXJjyEZij4QjKa by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-05-27T07:12:24.148418Z
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@DashEquals @jack for the 5 billionth fucking time this evening, just because you can *fetch* data from a URI does not mean you have *permission* to archive that data.
(DIR) Post #9jEDgVSC5vm51kNpzc by offication@pleroma.site
2019-05-27T07:14:27.511785Z
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@kaniini @DashEquals @jack I went and checked, and it seems that art. 89 of the GDPR allows exceptions for archival systems in paragraph 3.
(DIR) Post #9jEDgVgjDtOtkpBReC by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-05-27T07:16:11.185446Z
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@offication @DashEquals @jack only for non-personal data. posts containing photos of people or discussion of their sexual preferences, for example, are most certainly exempt from paragraph 3.
(DIR) Post #9jEDwXdvirmORzWFHs by kaiyou@mastodon.tedomum.net
2019-05-27T07:19:11Z
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@kaniini@tutuAlso providing an example config for this would be most helpful I think.
(DIR) Post #9jEE3TniPF6aYrP8Eq by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-05-27T07:20:22.995132Z
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@kaiyou @tutu in nginx it’s simplehttp { server { location / { return 410; }; };};
(DIR) Post #9jEET6FGbkhp2AVYeW by kaiyou@mastodon.tedomum.net
2019-05-27T07:25:02Z
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@kaniini@tutuThanks :) the most tricky part being the indexation policy if IA stopped accepting robots.txt. I'll dig into it this week.
(DIR) Post #9jEGgnjaQaUjaNLoe0 by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-05-27T07:50:00.374241Z
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@tutu by the way thank you for sticking with it and running berries for as long as you did. I think you all did a good service by introducing a lot of people to the fediverse while also keeping things relatively chill! it definitely was one of the chiller Mastodon communities.
(DIR) Post #9jEHjPlC7S4m3QufK4 by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-05-27T08:01:33.400676Z
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@foggy @DashEquals he's doing the Lord's work, archiving the awkward posts of 2000 gay teens
(DIR) Post #9jEKa5jrUNgXDOXH2e by loke@pleroma.site
2019-05-27T07:00:57.194254Z
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@sophia @kaniini I used to do a lot more photography than I do these days, but from reading phorography legal advice by people in the US, my understanding is that it is indeed legal to take pictures of people in public space and publish them.You're not allows to do it for commercial purposes, but regular publishing as actually fine.I'm definitely not saying it at all _right_, but it is legal.
(DIR) Post #9jEKa5wGkFbrpsLBNg by sophia@glitterkitten.co.uk
2019-05-27T08:33:12Z
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@loke @kaniini This isn't a photography in public spaces issue though. It's personal material taken in private, covered by copyright, being taken from accounts and republished without consent. Entirely different
(DIR) Post #9jFJlXpzS8kKkeG9ho by dirb@social.beepboop.ga
2019-05-27T19:59:10.771510Z
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@kaniini @Flashfire42 @DashEquals FUCK YOU MAN
(DIR) Post #9jFKEzwW2MwYJfM9OC by dirb@social.beepboop.ga
2019-05-27T20:04:27.436251Z
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@kaniini @Flashfire42 @DashEquals but expanding over that, now you chose to cripple the project over your own personal opinion on that feature, you aren't better than Gargron at this point.
(DIR) Post #9jFKFpLmuAShkoZYMS by Ricotta@pl.765racing.com
2019-05-27T20:04:27.838607Z
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@kaniini @Flashfire42 @DashEquals Federating is giving consent. You cannot federate without content being archived on remote servers, and not just the servers you federate with directly. If you federate, you're giving consent to any and all parties from anywhere to archive that content. You can't just revoke that consent later when someone you don't want to have that information gets their hands on it after you've already broadcast it to the entire world.If the instance you're so upset about had federation disabled you might have an argument, but you can't get upset about a third party doing something that the software itself is doing as a core part of its functionality.
(DIR) Post #9jFKcxwD8vef32dtDs by succfemboi@iscute.moe
2019-05-27T20:08:50.125890Z
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@dirb But I prefer privacy and security more than breaking post formatting and trying to make everything behave like twitter.@kaniini @Flashfire42 @DashEquals
(DIR) Post #9jFKpj6raLAqp8i492 by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-05-27T20:11:09.017598Z
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@dirb @Flashfire42 @DashEquals i'm not serious about cancelling Static FE.what i meant was "in present form, Static FE is cancelled," because it exposes users to new risks.if we can find consensus on how to mitigate these risks and rework Static FE around them, then it's something i'm likely to work on again in the future.
(DIR) Post #9jFN61dYfVWgpKtzgu by dirb@social.beepboop.ga
2019-05-27T20:36:26.858978Z
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@succfemboi @DashEquals @Flashfire42 @kaniini >privacy and security you DON'T have privacy here unless you use GPG or other kind of e2e encryption, WAKE UP
(DIR) Post #9jFNFUea9g89QUtbHc by succfemboi@iscute.moe
2019-05-27T20:38:12.520601Z
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@dirb still doesn't mean we have to make it worse@DashEquals @Flashfire42 @kaniini
(DIR) Post #9jFNN2ohXGInPPEI1w by dirb@social.beepboop.ga
2019-05-27T20:39:34.653727Z
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@kaniini @DashEquals @Flashfire42 you be better to inform people what really is technically possible and don't expected some kind of magic tricks, otherwise you will end up with requests like this https://github.com/tootsuite/mastodon/issues/10221
(DIR) Post #9jFNcvdlz5pXmkgyFU by boris@shitposter.club
2019-05-27T20:42:28.089997Z
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@kaniini @DashEquals Cyka blyat I cracked your pajeetscript xaxaxaxxax)))))cracked))))).pngrisitas.webm5554bbe5a8b8c3a09fe3d71e675bad8…
(DIR) Post #9jFNp0apOfW8cW4h96 by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-05-27T20:44:38.164141Z
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@dirb @DashEquals @Flashfire42 yes, this is precisely why MRF makes it very clear that it acts as a firewall instead of magic.what i do believe is that we need to introduce a new security label as a mitigation. if we do that, then Static FE does not introduce any new risks, as users have to explicitly opt in to making their posts readable by unauthenticated users (including archive team).https://pleroma.site/notice/9jFNfgzNj8mLR2SpTE describes what I have in mind.
(DIR) Post #9jFOPiel311JhnPyG8 by Flashfire42@pleroma.site
2019-05-27T04:07:32.813244Z
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@kaikatsu @DashEquals @kaniini I mean it would be interesting for people to read about to learn about human behaviour 100 years ago or whenever they are looking at it. Though to be fair they would take a few looks and then close the books or whatever in horror with some of the crap people post.
(DIR) Post #9jFOPiu08LDIT4Y91E by Leradvor@pleroma.site
2019-05-27T20:51:17.194843Z
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@Flashfire42 @kaikatsu @DashEquals @kaniini “Though to be fair they would take a few looks and then close the books or whatever in horror with some of the crap people post.”Or in incomprehension regarding the memes people referred to. 😄Earlier human generations left things like potsherds or books behind. And we will have left iPhones and old thumb drives behind whose memory is possibly not longer readable on hardware of the year 2119.
(DIR) Post #9jFPGSPECHZgeZIk2i by ilja@ilja.space
2019-05-27T05:41:16.961366Z
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@DashEquals @kaniini We just had elections and the party that consists of literal nazis just got the biggest party here... and this is a general trend all over the world. You honestly think there is no problem with storing posts and making them searchable like that with the knowledge that these kind of parties are gaining traction? In the '20's no one thought it was a bad idea to have the religion of every inhabitant stored in the towns records. People express their religion, so it's public anyhow, right? Yet, I assume we all know what happened once the nazi's got elected
(DIR) Post #9jjmL1ZR1eIoZGtzAu by ZacharyHerold@mathstodon.xyz
2019-06-11T12:39:35Z
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@jack @DashEquals @kaniini If it's personal data then it shouldn't be publicly available. Surely Google+ is the one at fault here for making it so accessible
(DIR) Post #9jjmL1l8K9ez9YNKPQ by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-06-11T12:40:31.186869Z
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@ZacharyHerold @DashEquals @jack that is the dumbest argument i've heard yet
(DIR) Post #9jjmxuxZXPBTMJjo1o by ZacharyHerold@mathstodon.xyz
2019-06-11T12:43:01Z
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@kaniini @DashEquals @jack No it's not. If I can go and read all your information in my web browser, my mind is processing your information. If you put it out there then that can only be what you wanted?
(DIR) Post #9jjmxvDWa5wc9nCXtQ by kaniini@pleroma.site
2019-06-11T12:47:41.952125Z
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@ZacharyHerold @jack @DashEquals yes.*your* mind, because you were somehow included in the activity's audience.